Sassy September Chat Thread - Page 7

[chlobo]

Originally Posted by JaneS

All those books, Langer's, Starr's, Barnes' address that.

Kharrazian's approach is just different than theirs as he uses thyroid hormone as last resort. To use his approach you'd have to go to a dr. that has been trained by him, it's very complex. Wonder if Dr. R has heard of him since he's a chiro too.

From the 5 minute video it sounded like the "crux" of his approach is assuming the person has an autoimmune disease - hashi's that's causing the problem. Is that not the case? At any rate, I guess I'll find out when I get the book.

BTW, can you have an autoimmune thyroid disorder if your thyroid has been removed? I'm sure the answer is no.

Can you still have thyroid issues if your thyroid has been removed? I'm guessing yes, because you could still have the same uptake & utilization issues, right?

[chlobo]

Originally Posted by whoMe

Sweetbreads and pine nut oil. They're both totally mild, and not offensive at all. And POWERFUL, at least for me. You could purée the sweetbreads and mix into a burger? He might even eat them straight.
http://sierrafarmslamb.blogspot.com/...%20Sweetbreads

Where do you get yours?

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by chlobo

Where do you get yours?

Sweetbreads are from that guy, he's local for me
PNO is from http://www.siberiantigernaturals.com/orderproducts.htm or http://www.selinanaturally.com/Extra...-P2064C23.aspx

Ds is teething. Again. He's 5m1w. 3 teeth already, and it's a tossup between two which will come in next (like, tonight) with a third (6th!) right behind.

For Dr K's book, the first half is all autoimmune, but then he breaks down non-autoimmune 'normal' lab tests into his own normal ranges and says which patterns to look for to figure out the cause of your sx.

[chlobo]

Originally Posted by whoMe

Sweetbreads are from that guy, he's local for me
PNO is from http://www.siberiantigernaturals.com/orderproducts.htm or http://www.selinanaturally.com/Extra...-P2064C23.aspx

Lucky you. Too tired to find sweetbreads locally right now.

Ds is teething. Again. He's 5m1w. 3 teeth already, and it's a tossup between two which will come in next (like, tonight) with a third (6th!) right behind.

For Dr K's book, the first half is all autoimmune, but then he breaks down non-autoimmune 'normal' lab tests into his own normal ranges and says which patterns to look for to figure out the cause of your sx.

That's good to know. I was a little worried. So I've got two books to read now. Hopefully they'll yield some answers.

[Lady Lilya]

Originally Posted by ASusan

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This crave-protein--need-pancreatic-support is interesting. While I don't *crave* protein, usually, I *can* eat a lot of it when it is available. When DS was 6 mos, a chiropractor did muscle(?) testing on me and said that I need pancreatic support. He had me taking digestive enzymes, but I wouldn't take the other supplements he suggested/tried to sell me because I was trying to figure out DS's allergies at that point, and I didn't want to confuse the picture even more.

Are you suggesting that there are homeopathic pancreatic supports? Or should I be trying something else?

And DS protein desire & intake is high, as I mentioned above. [Although the desire for protein seems to run in DH's family. DH's brother eats only protein (meat & beans, and rice; he is over 60, cholesterol is fine, even though he smokes & drinks). DH does best on lots of protein.]

I can't say I actually CRAVE protein. I tend to find myself much more attracted to veggies and fruits. But I think that is mostly a matter of having grown up with a lot of veggies and a little meat. This way of eating, with so much meat, is still weird to me.

So it isn't that I WANT the meat, but that I am healthier when I eat it.

The naturopath put me on Pancreatrophin (I think that's how it is spelled) based on the fact that when he placed it into my energy field my body was happy, and without it my body wasn't.

After maybe 2 months of that, my body was perfectly happy without anything. And I felt great. And baby-lust kicked in, which I took as a good sign. Then when I got pregnant, he gave me some supplements just as extra. And then a few weeks into pregnancy, I started feeling the blood sugar issues a bit again, and my body wanted the Pancreatrophin again (in much smaller amounts).

I had to leave the naturopath when I moved. But he gave me a recommendation for another one near here who went to school with him and uses the same method. She is also a chiro, so that kills 2 birds with one stone. But I haven't been to see her yet. At this point I am just plodding along with the same dosage because when I skip it (which I've done for over a week at a time) I feel worse, and when I take it I start to feel better again.

[Theloose]

Jane, are you on any of Susan Owen's lists (sulfur stories, trying low oxalates, ets)? At the end of june of this year, she sent out a summary of what she got out of the mitochondrial disease foundation conference she went to that was really interesting. What *I* got out of her summary is that exercise really, really matters. I'm kind of on an exercise is important kick, though, seeing it everywhere. I think it's my next big piece. If only I could figure out how to fit it in, timewise... pm me your email if you want me to forward you what she sent out.

eta: Those doing grain-free... Sugarcane too? (just say yes) I'm getting serious about low carbing, and now a huge percent of my (low) carbs are from sugar. How wrong is that?

[changingseasons]

Oh man... I just looked at the allowable foods for my NAET treatment today (B-complex), and tomorrow is going to SUCK. I can eat rice, well-cooked fish (which of course I can't have more than 1 serving of because of mercury ), cauliflower, and french fries. This should be interesting. We will definitely be eating dinner before our appointment!!

[chlobo]

Originally Posted by changingseasons

Oh man... I just looked at the allowable foods for my NAET treatment today (B-complex), and tomorrow is going to SUCK. I can eat rice, well-cooked fish (which of course I can't have more than 1 serving of because of mercury ), cauliflower, and french fries. This should be interesting. We will definitely be eating dinner before our appointment!!

mmmmm. French fries.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by changingseasons

Oh man... I just looked at the allowable foods for my NAET treatment today (B-complex), and tomorrow is going to SUCK. I can eat rice, well-cooked fish (which of course I can't have more than 1 serving of because of mercury ), cauliflower, and french fries. This should be interesting. We will definitely be eating dinner before our appointment!!

What about salmon or sardines or anchovies or other low-mercury fish?

[kjbrown92]

Originally Posted by mamafish9

That seems like a stretch, at least looking at our food budget! Lots of beans...

Is this a situation where you might cut it in stages, and also start trialing some foods that might make doing this easier? (Cheap starches, beans, flours, etc). Source local bulk meats (this really helped cut our food costs down). Try some digestive enzymes and see if that causes them to eat less?

The "local" meats around here that I've looked at are about $7/lb. That's why I was getting the pasture-fed beef from TX. Even with shipping, it was a lot cheaper. But we've gone to conventional meats. So I'm thinking for meat, nothing more than $2/lb. So legs & thighs are cheap here too (89 cents/lb). I can get chicken breasts for $1.49/lb on sale, so I just have to look, and a huge pork loin for $1.99/lb, again I just have to keep an eye out. And I'm going to cut fresh fruit back to bananas and apples (even though both of those have to be rotated) and if anything is less than $1/lb. Veggies will do less variety too I think (luckily in the last couple days I froze a bunch of green beans and tomatoes from my mother's garden, and my mother shredded zucchini for me which I froze, like 16 cups of it). It's all the specialty items that kill me: sweet potato flour, buckwheat flour, pasta (3 of us are gluten-free so pasta nights are cheap for half the family). My mother also planted a slew of potatoes, so I'll have those free for a while, and the butternut squash are almost ready as well, and those last for a while over the winter.

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

Ugh. I don't envy you that task. I've been trying to figure out cost cutting measures for months. Our grocery bill is STILL at $800, using conventional produce and meat, minimal specialty foods and normally feeding everyone besides DS1 gluten food items. I use hamburger for nearly every beef meal, chicken thighs and drums (least expensive cuts here) for almost every chicken meal, and I buy pork loins when they're on sale to cut into thin "chops"- even on sale, this gets me 3 or 4 "chop" meals plus half of a pulled pork meal (I use 2 "butt ends"- pieces too small to bother trying to cut- for pulled pork) rather than paying the same price for a family pack of bone-in chops which only yields 2 meals.
The only thing I can think of to decrease costs on the meat end of things is to buy whole chickens and cut them up myself- and maybe mix my own sausages from ground pork for the 2 meals in 5 weeks that we have sausages. Also, I need to figure out some tasty legume/pulse dishes.
I could scale back on pasta even more than I do. We presently have it 2x's/week- once for lunch, once at dinner. Lunch is gf pasta for everyone though and I have 1 meal for supper that's gf for everyone. I guess I could change that too.
I think the real killer might be breakfast. I really need to get a waffle iron and quit with cereal every second day. And I need to start making your bread!
Also, if DS2 and DS3 were using cloth or potty trained, it would drop our costs by about $120/mth. However, as we move towards dropping the cost of diapers, we increase how much those little mouths eat. So how much "more" we'll *actually* have is debatable.
Blah blah blah. Anyway, there's a basic cost analysis of our food budget.

eta: And I can't even begin to imagine it being this low without potatoes and/or rice.

We don't do a lot of cereal. Eggs are cheap which we do a lot of, but DS either has a can of chickpeas or a can of corned beef every morning.

And I had just gotten addicted to the Namaste pizza dough (just as bread it's fantastic to dip in fried eggs. I've got to figure out how to do that one myself).

And my eye has been twitching on and off all day....

[kjbrown92]

Originally Posted by changingseasons

Oh man... I just looked at the allowable foods for my NAET treatment today (B-complex), and tomorrow is going to SUCK. I can eat rice, well-cooked fish (which of course I can't have more than 1 serving of because of mercury ), cauliflower, and french fries. This should be interesting. We will definitely be eating dinner before our appointment!!

Mmmm.... I love french fries. My deep fryer is at the lake though... maybe this weekend... For rice, do you do rice vinegar, rice flour, rice pasta, etc. for variety? I wonder if you could deep fry cauliflower with some water-rice flour coating... what's with me and the fried foods?

[mamafish9]

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

The "local" meats around here that I've looked at are about $7/lb. That's why I was getting the pasture-fed beef from TX. Even with shipping, it was a lot cheaper. But we've gone to conventional meats.

We pay those kinds of prices in the store or buying one meal at a time.

I got beefalo from a local farmer (so pastured, no hormones/antibiotics, etc) for $3/lb for a quarter - I think it ended up being about 80lbs, 1/2 hamburger, 1/2 steaks and ribs and stuff. We got a ton of bones for free, and turned most of the roasts into hamburger.

Same deal on chicken, I got little roasting pasture raised chickens, about 10 of them I think, for $3/lb.

Some places around here are way more expensive, so it was worth it to call around.

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by whoMe

What about salmon or sardines or anchovies or other low-mercury fish?

Yeah, I was thinking I would go with salmon, but I still don't want to have too much, ya know? Plus, DD is allergic to salmon and I'm a little nervous to cook it in the house. Might have to wrap it and do it outside on the bbq.

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

Mmmm.... I love french fries. My deep fryer is at the lake though... maybe this weekend... For rice, do you do rice vinegar, rice flour, rice pasta, etc. for variety? I wonder if you could deep fry cauliflower with some water-rice flour coating... what's with me and the fried foods?

That's funny- fried foods (fish/potatoes) are actually on the list of allowable foods. Like "deep fried fish". I was thinking- what on earth am I going to fry them with? I guess rice flour? That just doesn't sound that great.

Yeah- I can do rice pasta, but with what on it?? I could use just olive oil, but again.... bleh. I emailed the doc to see if she thought lamb broth would be ok, because then I could at least have "soup" with rice noodles, but she doesn't sound like she approves. According to the guide book, NO meat. But I looked up beef broth nutritional data, and it's only got a tiny bit of folate, no other B vitamins. And it actually has less folate than is listed for rice, which IS an allowable food. So I'm

[changingseasons]

Oh yeah- I actually logged on for a reason...

Is there any reason that a calcium supplement would make my joints ache? I am SO sore today, for absolutely no reason. My hips are hurting so bad I can hardly walk, and my knees and back aren't much better. I just realized that I started taking my calcium supplement again today, after being out of it for a week. Not sure if that's related...

[changingseasons]

Serial posting...

Ok, wth? Salmon has plenty of B vitamins. Are they all lost when it's "well cooked" or deep-fried?? Because I'm not supposed to eat ANY meat, but fish is ok (but not raw or broiled.) I'm so confused. I'm not supposed to eat anything with B vitamins for 25 hours. Here are the lists:

Don't eat: whole grain products, fruits, veggies, meats, dairy, anything with B vitamins. Avoid grasses, plants, trees, flowers, walking in the garden, etc.

Allowed: cooked white rice (well washed before & after cooking), cooked white pasta, califlower raw or cooked, well cooked or deep fried fish, salt, white sugar, black coffee, french fries, purified water.

[lil_miss_understood]

I can't even pretend to have a clue, cs.
totally wore out, spent most of the day raking the yard outside with ds2 and ds3. sil dropped off her outside toys yesterday for us- she only wants her toy kitchen back when she gets a place again. kids had fun. ds2's asleep on the couch now though

[FireWithin]

Originally Posted by chlobo

Can kids really be low in brain chemicals? Should I spring for the amino acid test for her? Or just try supplementing some 5-htp? And can "exciting" but fun events run down their seratonin?

heck yes. I see it in my oldest.


Hello everyone. I've been doing well, but was taking a break from the computer a bit, at least related to health and healing. I think I'm back.

[changingseasons]

Glad to see your doing well m2s. It was nice to see your pregnant belly pics on FB.

Yay for outdoor toys and yardwork JR!! I pulled a stump out today- BY MYSELF. Holy crap I am worn out. I did not have the energy for that. Oh well. At least it's done, and now all I have to do is level that side of the yard so that the swingset can go up. woo hoo!

I've decided that I'm eating the bone broth, and I don't care. I think it will be fine, since I'm trying to be really good about doing our balancing massage points. (You're supposed to do those every 2 hours, but extra if you mess up with your foods.)

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by changingseasons

Glad to see your doing well m2s. It was nice to see your pregnant belly pics on FB.

Yay for outdoor toys and yardwork JR!! I pulled a stump out today- BY MYSELF. Holy crap I am worn out. I did not have the energy for that. Oh well. At least it's done, and now all I have to do is level that side of the yard so that the swingset can go up. woo hoo!

I've decided that I'm eating the bone broth, and I don't care. I think it will be fine, since I'm trying to be really good about doing our balancing massage points. (You're supposed to do those every 2 hours, but extra if you mess up with your foods.)

holy work horses, Batman! go you! I hope you sleep wonderfully and awake refreshed. Also that the rest of the project goes smoothly and quickly!

[mamafish9]

CS, I'm pretty sure B vites are heat sensitive, so that's why they specify well cooked fish, etc. Thinking the B vites in broth would be very, very dead...

M2S, nice to "see" you!