Sassy September Chat Thread - Page 9

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

Mine's at 39.

I got you beat 12, up from 5. That was at the end of June, though, presumably it's gone up more since then.

Originally Posted by changingseasons

Is your iron low too? I think I missed the beginning of the ferritin discussion, but it made me curious so I looked at some of my old labs. Last summer, when the doc told me my iron was low and had me supping with 1000mg/day, my iron was at 25, but ferritin was 85. The next time it was tested (a few months later, after supping), my iron was 142 and ferritin was down to 59. Does that mean anything?

I *think* ferritin stores in the gut lining, and unexplained low ferritin can be a sign of gut damage/high cell turnover.

[mamafish9]

Originally Posted by chlobo

So I have:

Low ferritin
Low cortisol
Low b12 (very low)

Well I think that puts me at risk, I'd say.

So how experienced is Wedda with this protocol?

Related to this, you have the ACE++ mutation (deletion). What that does is mess with aldosterone - think of it as low level adrenal stress constantly, and magnified in cases of real stress. Adrenal fatigue is common in adults with ACE++ mutations.

I'm starting to read more about this - I don't have many of the symptoms, but I'm wondering if I'm in early stage adrenal/thyroid issues (in the last couple of years, cold feet and trouble losing weight have cropped up). Got a thermometer, taking my temps. DH goggled , last time I did that I was trying to get pregnant. I reminded him he had a vasectomy .

[chlobo]

Originally Posted by mamafish9

Related to this, you have the ACE++ mutation (deletion). What that does is mess with aldosterone - think of it as low level adrenal stress constantly, and magnified in cases of real stress. Adrenal fatigue is common in adults with ACE++ mutations.

I'm starting to read more about this - I don't have many of the symptoms, but I'm wondering if I'm in early stage adrenal/thyroid issues (in the last couple of years, cold feet and trouble losing weight have cropped up). Got a thermometer, taking my temps. DH goggled , last time I did that I was trying to get pregnant. I reminded him he had a vasectomy .

So what does Yasko say about ACE++ and alleviating adrenal fatigue b/c none of the supplements I've taken have seemed to help me yet. And if the b12 is what is keeping me up then I'm in trouble. I need sleep to heal, don't I?

Oh UAA results please come soon.

[kjbrown92]

When it rains, it pours!
So I got my blood drawn on Wednesday, because I have a physical with my regular doctor next Friday. Well his office called today. Low thyroid, he wants to put me on Synthroid. And not to wait until I see him next Friday. Of course I don't have any of the numbers; it was just a message that the receptionist had. I usually get copies of my labs, so hopefully it's in the mail. What are the chances that there's something I'm intolerant to in those pills as well? I'm already not tolerating the Tamoxifen. Ugh. Just checked: cornstarch and lactose. Really? Is that something that can be compounded?

Tries #2 and #3 (in the oven now) of the Namaste pizza dough replication. Try #2 was more like a cracker, not sure why. Didn't puff up at all, but we all gobbled it up. Made some adjustments and trying again.

[Blessed_Mom]

Bump for mamafish9? JaneS? Anyone?

I want to supp iron and B12 to my 15 mo DD...... no indication other than poor weight gain and my intuition.

Can I give her the adult floradix with herbs which has some yeast in it or is there a baby version?

Can someone recommend a B12 supplement that is liquid and great. Thanks so much

[mamafish9]

Originally Posted by chlobo

So what does Yasko say about ACE++ and alleviating adrenal fatigue b/c none of the supplements I've taken have seemed to help me yet. And if the b12 is what is keeping me up then I'm in trouble. I need sleep to heal, don't I?

Oh UAA results please come soon.

Adrenal glandulars, good B12 status, and minerals balancing. It sounds like you have a lot of issues in play Carren, so it may take a while to improve them to where you feel better. Have you tried melatonin, what does it do for you?

My DS' sleep has gotten LIGHTYEARS better with getting our modified version of the Yasko protocol up and running. Whatever the key variable is, it still goes all to hell when he's sick, and sleep totally breaks down again (yawn...)

Originally Posted by Blessed_Mom

Bump for mamafish9? JaneS? Anyone?

I want to supp iron and B12 to my 15 mo DD...... no indication other than poor weight gain and my intuition.

Can I give her the adult floradix with herbs which has some yeast in it or is there a baby version?

Can someone recommend a B12 supplement that is liquid and great. Thanks so much

I wouldn't supp iron in a little one without a test that says low iron (and then I'd try lactoferrin if milk is tolerated). For B12, I'd get sublingual methyl b12, it's fine if she chews it. I wouldn't expect either of those to significantly impact weight gain, but you never know.

[lil_miss_understood]

I can't answer your antibodies questions, JaneS. I have no idea if my antibodies were ever <35... Every test I've ever seen for them has been in the thousands... It does sound like he may have a conversion problem though... Although, since iron is one of the substrates used to produce thyroxine... I can't remember where I was going with that thought.

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

When it rains, it pours!
So I got my blood drawn on Wednesday, because I have a physical with my regular doctor next Friday. Well his office called today. Low thyroid, he wants to put me on Synthroid. And not to wait until I see him next Friday. Of course I don't have any of the numbers; it was just a message that the receptionist had. I usually get copies of my labs, so hopefully it's in the mail. What are the chances that there's something I'm intolerant to in those pills as well? I'm already not tolerating the Tamoxifen. Ugh. Just checked: cornstarch and lactose. Really? Is that something that can be compounded?

Tries #2 and #3 (in the oven now) of the Namaste pizza dough replication. Try #2 was more like a cracker, not sure why. Didn't puff up at all, but we all gobbled it up. Made some adjustments and trying again.

Yes, it can be compounded but I might try to get my doctor to consider Armour/natural dessicated thyroid before going on synthetic thyroid hormone.

[mamafish9]

Originally Posted by chlobo

I took 200mg a couple of times but I seemed kind of wired from it. so the ND said to try 400mg. I tried that. She said if I was wired then maybe I was taking too much b12 so I should ease off on that. Then I took a break to do the amino acid test.

I am going to try the 400mg again. I'm sleeping so poorly now its not even funny. I don't really feel like I am getting into a deep sleep. It's weird.

Carren, I totally missed this a while back (this was 5htp). 50mg makes DS & I (both MAO+) totally wired/edgy/nutso - and then we crash. Note that crashing for me involves not being able to sleep (I think my body swings to low serotonin and then can't make enough melatonin to support good sleep).

So I've taken my daytime temps today - ranging from 98.2 to 97.7. So low (but not crazy) and also swingy. I'll keep temping, but if I understand this correctly, that means at least some level of both adrenal & thyroid fatigue, but probably not crazy for either? I think I'm going to try this supp, glandular support for thyroid & a little for adrenals (I have more adrenal glandular I can add if need be). See if it warms my feet up .

[chlobo]

Originally Posted by mamafish9

Adrenal glandulars, good B12 status, and minerals balancing. It sounds like you have a lot of issues in play Carren, so it may take a while to improve them to where you feel better. Have you tried melatonin, what does it do for you?

My DS' sleep has gotten LIGHTYEARS better with getting our modified version of the Yasko protocol up and running. Whatever the key variable is, it still goes all to hell when he's sick, and sleep totally breaks down again (yawn...)

I thought melatonin was only to get you to sleep. I actually fall asleep but then I wake up later.

I wouldn't supp iron in a little one without a test that says low iron (and then I'd try lactoferrin if milk is tolerated). For B12, I'd get sublingual methyl b12, it's fine if she chews it. I wouldn't expect either of those to significantly impact weight gain, but you never know.

So if you weren't dairy tolerant, what would you use for iron. It appears that I'm low.

[mamafish9]

Hmmm - you could try the time release melatonin, Carren. That helps some people stay asleep.

Can you do trace dairy? If you can, I'd give the lactoferrin a try. Jarrow's lactoferrin is from whey, so might also be OK if it's the casein you react to, and not the whey. If not, maybe ferritin. Also work on your B12, some anemia will go nowhere until you have B12 levels up.

[chlobo]

Originally Posted by mamafish9

Hmmm - you could try the time release melatonin, Carren. That helps some people stay asleep.

Can you do trace dairy? If you can, I'd give the lactoferrin a try. Jarrow's lactoferrin is from whey, so might also be OK if it's the casein you react to, and not the whey. If not, maybe ferritin. Also work on your B12, some anemia will go nowhere until you have B12 levels up.

I'm working on the darn b12. The ND thinks that's what is keeping me up at night. Grrrr.

I'm not even sure I"m sensitive to dairy at this point. And honestly, unless it was a huge reaction, like having a brick dropped on my head, I'm not sure that I'd even notice. I've IgG allergy tested & muscle tested as sensitive to milk but that's about it.

[chlobo]

Originally Posted by mamafish9

Carren, I totally missed this a while back (this was 5htp). 50mg makes DS & I (both MAO+) totally wired/edgy/nutso - and then we crash. Note that crashing for me involves not being able to sleep (I think my body swings to low serotonin and then can't make enough melatonin to support good sleep).

I told her I thought it was the 5htp. It seemed that I slept worse after taking it, although I wasn't sleeping great to begin with. Maybe I"ll ditch the 5htp and try one of those other ones recommended in the mood cure. Or maybe I'll just wait for my UAA.

As for temps, I'm never just lying in bed in the am to take my morning temp. Also, this is really weird. I used to have the problem with cold hands and feet but lately I'm all about being warm. Wondering if its premenopause of something.

[Theloose]

Scrapped preschool for the day, went to a lll meeting instead. Screamed more today (at dd) than ever before. Went to the craft workshop I was signed up for this afternoon (required for the preschool) and it went amazingly well. Found a friend at the lll meeting, and at first sight of her daughters, dd ran out crying and refused to go to the meeting. By the end, she was playing 'with' them. Huge first. We're going to try and play at the park in the near future. Everything is so up in the air. I don't know who my friends are, I don't know where to go for support, today was a nightmare turned ok, turned back to nightmare on the way back home, I'm exhausted and have a splitting headache (didn't drink anything all day). Trying to process preschool vs homeschool. Cant think about anything cause I'm too drained. I need someone to just listen, but I don't know how to make that happen. And I don't know what's making it all explode today. Thank goodness it's the weekend. Dh is cooking dinner and kid wrangling. I love him!

Eta: sorry, don't mind the vent. Talk amongst yourselves.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by chlobo

I told her I thought it was the 5htp. It seemed that I slept worse after taking it, although I wasn't sleeping great to begin with. Maybe I"ll ditch the 5htp and try one of those other ones recommended in the mood cure. Or maybe I'll just wait for my UAA.

As for temps, I'm never just lying in bed in the am to take my morning temp. Also, this is really weird. I used to have the problem with cold hands and feet but lately I'm all about being warm. Wondering if its premenopause of something.

You can still temp for a ballpark. Sure, lying in bed right after waking is ideal, but just random temps throughout the day can tell a story as well.

[mamafish9]

I've been doing daytime temps. The metabolic temping site I linked to above says take your temp 3hrs after waking, then every 3 hours (3 times total in the day). Mid afternoon temps should be 98.6, if they're lower than that, probably thyroid issues (apparently this is one way to track if you have added enough thyroid meds as well). Swinging temps means adrenal issues. I only have one swingy one though, I need a few more days to know on that. The rest of them were 98.1-98.2 (I took more than 3 today).

So, my feet warm up when I eat sugar. What does that mean?

[changingseasons]

Blessed mom- sorry, I don't have any suggestions for you, but don't want you to think you're being ignored.

Kathy-

Originally Posted by whoMe

Scrapped preschool for the day, went to a lll meeting instead. Screamed more today (at dd) than ever before. Went to the craft workshop I was signed up for this afternoon (required for the preschool) and it went amazingly well. Found a friend at the lll meeting, and at first sight of her daughters, dd ran out crying and refused to go to the meeting. By the end, she was playing 'with' them. Huge first. We're going to try and play at the park in the near future. Everything is so up in the air. I don't know who my friends are, I don't know where to go for support, today was a nightmare turned ok, turned back to nightmare on the way back home, I'm exhausted and have a splitting headache (didn't drink anything all day). Trying to process preschool vs homeschool. Cant think about anything cause I'm too drained. I need someone to just listen, but I don't know how to make that happen. And I don't know what's making it all explode today. Thank goodness it's the weekend. Dh is cooking dinner and kid wrangling. I love him!

Eta: sorry, don't mind the vent. Talk amongst yourselves.

We had a pretty bad day here too with lots of yelling. I'm always pretty drained the day after acupuncture, and DD is wound up. Doesn't make for a good combination. sigh. Hope tomorrow is a better day for both of us!!

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by mamafish9

I've been doing daytime temps. The metabolic temping site I linked to above says take your temp 3hrs after waking, then every 3 hours (3 times total in the day). Mid afternoon temps should be 98.6, if they're lower than that, probably thyroid issues (apparently this is one way to track if you have added enough thyroid meds as well).

So if my temp has ALWAYS (as long as I can remember) been 96.8 (unless I'm feeling sick; then they go up to about 98-99), I'm looking at thyroid issues? Maybe I should try temping to see if I get any swinging. hmmmm. I better get a new thermometer... all of ours suck.

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by changingseasons

So if my temp has ALWAYS (as long as I can remember) been 96.8 (unless I'm feeling sick; then they go up to about 98-99), I'm looking at thyroid issues? Maybe I should try temping to see if I get any swinging. hmmmm. I better get a new thermometer... all of ours suck.

well, if I'm any indication then YES. that is my exact normal temp prior to thyroid supping. it is now 97.6

[chlobo]

Originally Posted by mamafish9

I've been doing daytime temps. The metabolic temping site I linked to above says take your temp 3hrs after waking, then every 3 hours (3 times total in the day). Mid afternoon temps should be 98.6, if they're lower than that, probably thyroid issues (apparently this is one way to track if you have added enough thyroid meds as well). Swinging temps means adrenal issues. I only have one swingy one though, I need a few more days to know on that. The rest of them were 98.1-98.2 (I took more than 3 today).

So, my feet warm up when I eat sugar. What does that mean?

Back when I had occasion to test my temps during the day (like a dr. appointment or something) my temps were always low no matter when I took them. Like below 98 so 97 something. But back then I was a lot "colder" than now, although it is a very warm summer. I'll try next week when I'm near a thermometer. What kind do you folks use? Digital?

[kjbrown92]

So I've suspected thyroid issues for a while (my temps are 96.8-97.3, only going up to 98.6 if I'm sick). And I guess my blood is finally showing it. The only thing is, the last week I started taking Iodarol because it's supposed to be good to prevent breast cancer. I took it for about 5 days, and not the night before the test, because I was going to start the Tamoxifen (which I started the night after my blood test). So what effect did the iodine have on my thyroid test?

And I remember that I have the type of blood (A) the endocrinologist said one of the thyroid meds didn't work on (but I suspect Synthroid). She put me on whatever she did because of it. Of course I didn't write it down anywhere. I wonder if the pharmacy would still have it. About 4 years ago.

G woke me up this morning to ask for a lollipop. Like I'm going to say yes when I was sleeping soundly? She got one yesterday at school because there was a birthday party. She said the other kids got ice cream cone cupcakes with gummy bears and marshmallows, but she got a lollipop and it was "way better"