Sassy September Chat Thread - Page 3

[chlobo]

Urgent question Deb - can I do the collection for Yasko the night before I send it as long as I keep it in the fridge? So do the collection tonight & ship tomorrow?

[lil_miss_understood]

Oh! Right! Have to phone ND! Brb.

[mamafish9]

Originally Posted by chlobo

Just curious, is there anything that can be done to even out the swings so that she doesn't swing? Is that what all the Yasko stuff is supposed to do?

Yes - but neurotransmitters are one of the later things to get into balance. First you need to support her basic mutations, because getting methylation moving is one of the long term keys to more stable moods. So lots of B12 for your daughter, and guesses for the moment on what else.

DS' swings got worse before they got better as we did this, so short term helps to deal with the swings are important.

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

oops, I just ate a pint of Coconut Bliss ice cream (chocolate peanut butter). I guess the kids don't get to try that flavor.

Yummm...

Originally Posted by tanyalynn

So I am seeing more pregnant women around, and more cute little babies. Baby fever is growing. The spring will be a better time, but it's fun to be excited now.

for other people being excited about having babies .

Ugh, DS just puked. That's can't be good. Please don't let DD get sick, first day of school is tomorrow...

[lil_miss_understood]

first day is today here, Deb
ds3 just woke up.
had a nice day. figuring out a toddler/preschool "curriculum" (and daily schedule) for ds2 and ds3. looking at bento box stuff for ds1.
And wouldn't you know our ND is closed Fridays and DH just switched his day off to Fridays from Thursdays. So now dh wants me to schedule for next Monday but I'm after calling 3 times in like 10 minutes.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by mamafish9

It works for anyone (big serotonin highs cause crashes), but MAO+ tend to be high serotonin anyhow, so getting high enough to cause a crash doesn't take as much as it does for most - the tipping point is closer.

I don't tend to need a lot of downtime, of course that's all mixed up lately, and I'm totally energized by interaction/excitement. Sounds to me like it's a tool i like for raising serotonin

Originally Posted by mamafish9

Not at all. Just that you need to find ways to manage the crash. Ironically, bananas are a great tool for us (high in dopamine & serotonin precursors). You could try a small dose of 5htp when you see a crash coming (there are some sprays that taste good and act sublingually = faster, that would be great for this).

When you see a crash coming, figure out what helps - if you have two parents at home, will she sit and play a game with one of you, or something? Or can you give her and her brother something separate to do? A bath on her own with candlelight & small treats (we call it "party baths")?

And suddenly the line between allergies/imbalances and psychology appears and is fuzzy. Does this mess with anyone else's head like it does mine? How much is genetic that we mostly need parenting tools for, and how much is 'problem' that we need to fix?

Originally Posted by tanyalynn

Shannon, did things go okay this morning?

I think they went as well as I could have hoped for! Dd was excited and thrilled to be there, though totally overwhelmed. She didn't talk to any of the other kids, but did sit at the playdough table (cringe) with a bunch of other girls - normally she doesn't want to be near other kids. She also rode the tire swing with other kids, and loved hammering golf tees into styrofoam. What could have been smoother was me talking with the teacher about food stuff. Lots of miscommunication/misunderstanding, tears, and misguided advice later, all is well and dd will have a stash of copycat foods in the kitchen. Apparently last year they third to have the whole class gfcf and it was a disaster, and the snack for the day is decided on and cooked from scratch on the spur of the moment each morning. As great as this teacher is with kids, she basically had no sympathy for dd

Speaking of excitement and reserves, dd did SO WELL today, but as soon as we left, the tiniest thing wrong was triggering panic meltdowns. Then she was almost manic in whole foods. Then she was about to pick up a Burger bun still in pan, straight from the oven and I yelled, which kept her fingers from getting burnt, but pushed her waaaaaaay over the edge. After hysterical tears and milk, she's now fast asleep in bed with no dinner. She needs the sleep more than the food! More school tomorrow - it's my workday, so dh is coming too for dd, then a day off, then again on Friday. And then Friday afternoon we stay the whole day to make crafts for the carnival in oct. I'm really curious how things will play out!

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by chlobo

We totally didn't see the crash coming yesterday. Boy was that train wreck awful.

I'm wondering about how much of that that could be adreneline too. My theory being that exciting rides produce a lot of adreneline... which further depletes an already low seratonin reserve?

[JaneS]

Good link on stuff y'all are discussing.... aa's, seratonin, 5HTP et al and key nutrients for helping them along
http://www.hypoglycemia.asn.au/artic...onnection.html

[Theloose]

Thinking more about dd and today. Here's the interesting thing. She was in an awesome mood, all day long. Even when she was breaking down over tiny details by the time we got home, she was otherwise in good spirits and even being particularly affectionate towards ds. The breakdowns seemed more like panic than stress. I'm guessing they're related most to serotonin? But how does the affectionate fit in? I'd love to bottle that one!

And thinking about genetics and personality - I've got genes that tend towards low serotonin, but not swingy serotonin. I've got genes for 'fear of social rejection.' Excitement is like a drug for me, and I don't reach out to others easily at ALL, but if others reach out to me, there's more of that feel good drug. If I were in dd's shoes, this day at preschool would have perfectly hit most of my feel good buttons, driving my serotonin up, which would explain the affection. I can't say that a crash afterwards would be likely at all, though, so I'm not sure how the breakdowns fit in.

[mamafish9]

COMT+ also tends to be high and/or swingy dopamine, but you don't show that. Do you have high or low pain tolerance? The other gene that can play in the mix here is ACE (stress levels, which can cause norephinephrine firing in acute stress).

DS can have both dopamine & serotonin swinging, which gives the kind of unpredictable mix of stuff you saw in your DD earlier today.

[chlobo]

Originally Posted by mamafish9

COMT+ also tends to be high and/or swingy dopamine, but you don't show that. Do you have high or low pain tolerance? The other gene that can play in the mix here is ACE (stress levels, which can cause norephinephrine firing in acute stress).

DS can have both dopamine & serotonin swinging, which gives the kind of unpredictable mix of stuff you saw in your DD earlier today.

So when we talk about "swings" how close together are they. For example, yesterday DD just imploded shortly after DH got home. Over something stupid as usual. Pulled all her normal "hysterics". Literally, 10 min. later she came to the dinner table and was pleasant as punch and acted as if nothing had happened.

I'm thinking she's "swingy" from the first day of school. I haven't tried the 5-htp but maybe I'll give her a couple of sprays when she gets off the bus today and see if things go smoother.

[mamafish9]

Originally Posted by chlobo

So when we talk about "swings" how close together are they. For example, yesterday DD just imploded shortly after DH got home. Over something stupid as usual. Pulled all her normal "hysterics". Literally, 10 min. later she came to the dinner table and was pleasant as punch and acted as if nothing had happened.

I'm thinking she's "swingy" from the first day of school. I haven't tried the 5-htp but maybe I'll give her a couple of sprays when she gets off the bus today and see if things go smoother.

DS can swing in 10 minutes, no problem.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by mamafish9

COMT+ also tends to be high and/or swingy dopamine, but you don't show that. Do you have high or low pain tolerance? The other gene that can play in the mix here is ACE (stress levels, which can cause norephinephrine firing in acute stress).

DS can have both dopamine & serotonin swinging, which gives the kind of unpredictable mix of stuff you saw in your DD earlier today.

Thing it, it was TOTALLY predictable. Slighgt thing off=30 sec breakdown, then she listens to reason and is back to okay. And the interesting thing about pain tolerance is that that social rejection gene also affects it. My mix averages out to normal, and I think that fits. Dd's is sky high, but the past few days she's been saying OW a lot. Ds's pain tolerance is low. I think mine tends towards low, but I'm used to it so that makes it higher?

Time to go do it all again!

[mamafish9]

Originally Posted by whoMe

Thing it, it was TOTALLY predictable. Slighgt thing off=30 sec breakdown, then she listens to reason and is back to okay. And the interesting thing about pain tolerance is that that social rejection gene also affects it. My mix averages out to normal, and I think that fits. Dd's is sky high, but the past few days she's been saying OW a lot. Ds's pain tolerance is low. I think mine tends towards low, but I'm used to it so that makes it higher?

From the link you posted, it's the COMT+ that has higher pain (physical & emotional). Dopamine also affects motivation, pleasure seeking...

[tanyalynn]

I was asleep by 8pm last night and was woken up by the kids around 7:30 this morning. And I'm still a bit logy and out of it.

And lately I've been wondering if my skipping my Iodoral (for months now) is having an impact. My hair seems to be falling out at an increased rate lately. I am hoping that right now I'm fighting off something, and the sudden fatigue and feeling blah is an illness and not a downtick in my thyroid function.

Sorry I can't keep up with the discussion, between not feeling great and trying to get the house in order, I am maxed out. But I love the new bedrooms, still need to sort through a lot of toys but at least everything is on shelves or in baskets and there's lots of clear floorspace. And wow, I need to mop more frequently. Not going to say more, just wow.

[JaneS]

Your AM temps should tell you Tanya

[tanyalynn]

But they've never been normal, not since 5 years ago. My daytime temps are almost normal, which I've counted as a huge improvement, since for a couple years there, I didn't get above 98.0 unless I was really sick. But my morning temps, while noticeably better than 5 years ago, are still not what's called normal--and I've had times with little fatigue and that seemed very adrenal.

[Lady Lilya]

I haven't temped in so long. Now you've inspired me to try.

When I was temping, my morning temps were around 95.7, and my daytime ones were around 96.8. But my thyroid test numbers looked beautiful. <shrug> I've never had any other symptoms that would suggest being hypothyroid.

[tanyalynn]

Those are the types of numbers I got at my worst, I felt horrible. (eta: obviously I'm glad you don't!) What thyroid tests were run? JaneS has had recent posts on some reasons even stuff like free T3 and free T4 would look normal (I think it was those, TSH is very erratic, some people see huge changes there before symptoms and some take ages to see any movement in TSH even with a mountain of symptoms).

Interesting. I thought it was interesting, too, when I saw an acupuncturist for a while in the spring that she asked about my thyroid, thought it was a bit low, and I think at the time it was in the probably-somewhat-low-but-I-felt-asymptomatic place it's been for a couple years now. She asked because of my pulse, I think, maybe combined with my tongue, but not because of specific symptoms I described, at least that was my impression at the time.

I'm wondering what it would take to get back to 100%... while in theory I think it's possible, at a more practical level I wonder if it's just not going to happen. I'd like to win the lottery. Guess I should play if I really want to incorporate that into the plan.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by Lady Lilya

I haven't temped in so long. Now you've inspired me to try.

When I was temping, my morning temps were around 95.7, and my daytime ones were around 96.8. But my thyroid test numbers looked beautiful. <shrug> I've never had any other symptoms that would suggest being hypothyroid.

I would be extremely surprised if you had no other sx given those very low temps. The sx are pretty wide ranging:
www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/long-and-pathetic/

Recently I've found out that the alternative allergy guru in our area has found that there is a high degree of correlation between low thyroid function and his allergy patients. Both DS and I have low temps and some sx other than food intolerances. Both of us show low free T3 and high reverse T3. (These tests are not usually run)

I've been intensively researching the thyroid lately. I have concluded that lab numbers mean nothing... especially since most drs go by the TSH and T4 only. My favorite books are by Dr. Stephen Langer, Dr. Broda Barnes, Dr. Mark Starr and Dr. Datis Kharrazian, all of which describe longtime practice of treating sx ... and going by BBT.

Blood tests do not show what is actually getting into the body's cells, nor do they show whether the cell mitochondria is actually using the hormone once it's there. And the common T4 testing doesn't show conversion to active T3, another common problem. Reverse T3 blocks the receptor but is not used by body.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by tanyalynn

But they've never been normal, not since 5 years ago. My daytime temps are almost normal, which I've counted as a huge improvement, since for a couple years there, I didn't get above 98.0 unless I was really sick. But my morning temps, while noticeably better than 5 years ago, are still not what's called normal--and I've had times with little fatigue and that seemed very adrenal.

There is not only a toxic and allergy component to block thyroid function as we have discussed but also a genetic component. I have just come across scant mention of this and no in depth discussion. Hoping to find more details. But I have concluded I will not be 100%, and maybe DS too, until my thyroid is.