Sassy September Chat Thread - Page 38

[Lady Lilya]

No, I've never tried a glucose meter. I just go by how I feel.

I don't think I'd like to eat all my calories in a 5 hour period and eat nothing the rest of the day. Especially not while pregnant. Anyway, just seeing or smelling food is often enough to do it to me. And I would still need to see and smell food because I am responsible for feeding everyone else.

My meat-first diet works really well at keeping it from happening. Meat first, then veggies, then any carbs if I still feel like i need them.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by Lady Lilya

My meat-first diet works really well at keeping it from happening. Meat first, then veggies, then any carbs if I still feel like i need them.

Oops, forgot you were pg! And yeah, that's exactly how I figured out how to eat while pg, and how I've needed to keep it up now. I got weird feelings if I ate carbs without lots of protein, but thanks to the glucose meter, now know that my blood sugar was totally normal in those periods. And I'm getting those feelings less and less with the enzymes and pancreatic support. It could also be normal postpartum?

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by ASusan

I don't believe it's possible for low thyroid function to cause a herniated disc. In my case, I believe it happened during an afternoon of sledding and a trip-fall down the hill on a child's snowboard. Followed by pulling said (large, 8-yr-old) child home over drifts and small hills.

No but...
I don't suppose it's either of C6 or C7 that is/was effected?
This site:

The nerve that would be affected by the C6 C7 disc controls the arms, the shoulders, the heart, the lungs, the thyroid gland, and many other things. The nerve that would be affected by the C6 C7 disc controls the arms, the shoulders, the heart, the lungs, the thyroid gland, and many other things.

[FireWithin]

Originally Posted by chlobo

Ok, it would help if I could remember anything.

That's it.

My concern abt not being tested (or using hibicleanse or garlic) was that I wanted to know my status while making a decision about abx (very very unlikely) and what to look for pp. Also, here if you transfer without the test, they assume you are positive and put the baby on gbs positive protocal - including not being able to leave for 48 hrs. Things might be different if our familr doc had visiting privledges here but she doesn't.

[FireWithin]

Originally Posted by JaneS

Wouldn't that disrupt the normal transfer of beneficial bacteria to the baby as well?

This has always been my concerns and seems almost as bad as a c-section.

This is reminding me that I need to order the baby probiotics.

[FireWithin]

does anyones have Kathy's popover recipe? . . . Off to find it.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by Lady Lilya

I am sure I am releasing too much insulin, because I get low blood sugar bad after I eat. Eating meat first helps that tremendously.

Yes, as I understand it this is the first symptom of insulin resistance (IR). The insulin gets released but the cells are not accepting the glucose in, so the body tries to continue to get the blood sugar down and releases more insulin.

Although there is also a way the body makes glucose from protein (and fat?) that can be shut down when someone routinely eats a high carb diet. Now my memory is sketchy here but I'll try to explain... nuntil this process of making glucose is "relearned" by the body, you can also get hypoglycemia (esp. at night, but sometimes during day too, triggering adrenaline surges, insomnia and sometimes panic attacks) when the body tries to up a low blood sugar by release glucose from the liver stores. Or is it the liver glucose problem? Not clear on that exactly. Shannon will know.

Since I just read that section of Carolyn Dean's book it might make sense to try high magnesium chloride baths to restock your body stores if you think low mag. could be a factor for you. I've read anywhere from 25 - 50 grams are stored in a healthy body. Which would seem to be impossible to achieve with a daily dose of 1000mg (1gram) being the upper level one can tolerate. We need at least half or even more of that dose to use up everyday and more if insulin/stress problems.

Low mag. stores can cause insulin resistance as I wrote before ... and also high insulin levels have been shown to cause the body to loose more mag. through the urine (studies in Dean's book), so it's a vicious cycle.

And, yeah, Oddly Specific is one of my favorites too. So is Very Demotivational. And My Food Looks Funny.

I'm wicked getting into these, ty.

Holy Preggers Batman!!
http://verydemotivational.com/2010/1...ore-overlords/

Originally Posted by Lady Lilya

Shannon, I hadn't seen bloodsugar101.com before. Just looked at it now. It seems to be about the opposite problem from me. It is all about how to keep your blood sugar down. I am trying to keep mine up.

Well the theory of eating low carb is that you eat so you won't need raise your blood sugar controlled by insulin... no insulin release needed means no insulin spikes in an IR person. In that manner you keep your blood sugar up (by retraining body to make glucose from protein and/or fat) because you don't get the rebound from high blood sugar - leading to high insulin - leading to blood sugar crash.

Only 1 tsp of sugar, not sure what equivalent grains/carbs would be, is a healthy blood sugar for an adult according to www.marksdailyapple.com (who also has some great exercise theories on muscle glucose storage/insulin control too) otherwise you trigger insulin release.

[Lady Lilya]

Originally Posted by whoMe

Oops, forgot you were pg! And yeah, that's exactly how I figured out how to eat while pg, and how I've needed to keep it up now. I got weird feelings if I ate carbs without lots of protein, but thanks to the glucose meter, now know that my blood sugar was totally normal in those periods. And I'm getting those feelings less and less with the enzymes and pancreatic support. It could also be normal postpartum?

I wouldn't say it has been particularly worse or better since getting pregnant. Except that maybe some of the pregnancy food aversions lured me to violate my diet more.

I wouldn't say that it was a post partum thing either. I was fine for over a year after DS was born. I felt healthy. But I was under a lot of strain. He was high needs. My DH didn't take it well. Before I was always good at everything and had everything under control. I managed to adjust to that changing, but for DH it was a real shock to his idea of who I was. So DH was always sulking and putting me down and refusing to help at all and making me cry almost constantly. That in combination with a baby who wasn't a great sleeper really drained me. Plus we moved house during that time, and I had to do almost all of the work by myself. So I pretty much didn't eat or sleep for a year.

So it was after that that suddenly I felt like my health fell off a cliff. And I didn't know what was going on. It wasn't until a year ago, after more than a year of feeling fatigue, nausea, headaches, anxiety attacks, etc, that I stumbled upon Dr Mercola's Protein-Type diet. Almost immediately after starting it, I felt much much better.

During the poor health time, I was ravenous all the time, eating over 5000 calories a day and still feeling like I was starving to death. And I gained about 25 lbs. Since starting the meat first diet, I have a much more normal appetite, and I can tell by how I look in the mirror that I have lost most of the extra weight. (But I've put on some pregnancy weight recently that has caused a net weight increase.)

I never had weight problems before. I always felt like I was a healthy weight. So I am pretty sure that my weight loss will come to rest at that healthy point.

[Lady Lilya]

Although there is also a way the body makes glucose from protein (and fat?) that can be shut down when someone routinely eats a high carb diet

Jane, you mean Ketosis? I am certain that is happening in me since October. I am burning fat.

I ate a high carb diet most of my life. It was drilled into us that meat and fat were evil. And of course when I was exhausted and ravenous (about 2 years ago), in desperation I tried to fill my need for glucose by eating sweets. Like a whole can of sweetened condensed milk in one sitting.

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Mag is a possibility. I've never ruled out the possibility of a mag deficiency. But i have also never felt any different when supplementing with it. But I have plenty of it in the cabinet if I want to experiment (DH sleeps better when he takes it).

You also mentioned vitamin C. I am wary of taking it because I hit bowel tolerance REALLY fast. Like if I take one gram in the morning and another in the evening, it is going to hit me hard.

I don't know if that is a sign of something else, or if it just means I have enough. The need for higher doses is based on having toxins that you want it to bind to, right? So maybe I am just low in toxins? Maybe I have enough C in my diet to handle the load of toxins already?

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So I completely get the reasoning behind why eating a high protein diet works for keeping blood sugar level. But what I don't get is why i suddenly stopped properly controlling the release of insulin. Why do I not release the right amount?

Now you are saying it could be because when my body releases the smaller amount, the job may not be getting done (getting glucose into the cells) and so it releases more to try to make that work? In that case I should expect that my blood glucose level is high immediately after eating, and then when my body is done sending out insulin my blood glucose level is normal, but my inside-the-cell glucose level is low. And that would explain why I would still feel hungry and light-headed etc as if I didn't eat at all?

[Lady Lilya]

So, Jane, was it you who was saying the other day that you found mag chloride flakes in a bath to be the most effective way to get mag in?

[dannic]

Mamafish, quick question for you: on your amazon save and ship, does it allow you to change the autoship? So say one month it ships paper towels, and I decide I need baking powder instead, can I just switch them out, or am I locked in on paper towels? Does that make sense? Thanks!

[waluso]

Originally Posted by dannic

Mamafish, quick question for you: on your amazon save and ship, does it allow you to change the autoship? So say one month it ships paper towels, and I decide I need baking powder instead, can I just switch them out, or am I locked in on paper towels? Does that make sense? Thanks!

Do you mean subscribe and save? We use Amazon for everything - and we use subscribe and save a lot. You can go in right after you order and cancel or change a shipment. You aren't locked in until it ships. Maybe we aren't supposed to do this, but we will will sign up for subscribe and save just to get the discount, then we just have to remember to go back and cancel before the next one ships.

[tanyalynn]

It's October! Let me open another window to get the URL for the new thread... (be sure to move your questions over so they don't get missed....)

http://mothering.com/discussions/sho....php?t=1267511

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by Lady Lilya

So, Jane, was it you who was saying the other day that you found mag chloride flakes in a bath to be the most effective way to get mag in?

Definitely. I like the gel and the oil but the flakes have been the easiest to use to get the most in at a time. I fail miserably at oral mag. dosing. I can never get enough b/c my bowels protest. I can't even take 500 mg. divided throughout day of even the most reportedly well absorbed kinds like mag. citrate, mag. glycinate, etc. I have a mag. chloride liquid taken orally from Nutricology that is absorbed well but I still can't take a lot. With baths I really feel it and no digestive issues whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Lady Lilya

Jane, you mean Ketosis? I am certain that is happening in me since October. I am burning fat.

Not exactly, I was under the impression that if a healthy body needs glucose it can not only go to the liver stores easily but also convert from fat/protein in the diet ... but not with a stressed liver mechanism and not in a body used to getting all glucose from carbs. I apologize, I usually don't make such imprecise references like this!

Mag is a possibility. I've never ruled out the possibility of a mag deficiency. But i have also never felt any different when supplementing with it. But I have plenty of it in the cabinet if I want to experiment (DH sleeps better when he takes it).

Oral mag. does very little for me.

You also mentioned vitamin C. I am wary of taking it because I hit bowel tolerance REALLY fast. Like if I take one gram in the morning and another in the evening, it is going to hit me hard.


I don't know if that is a sign of something else, or if it just means I have enough. The need for higher doses is based on having toxins that you want it to bind to, right? So maybe I am just low in toxins? Maybe I have enough C in my diet to handle the load of toxins already?

me too, I think this is not those issues at all but the fact that the gut cannot take it up due to damage maybe?

I use whole food C from acerola, amla or camu. Much more effective than chemical form like ascorbic acid or sodium ascorbate for me and no digestive issues. Clearly I needed it b/c my hay fever and dust allergies return if I don't take it. And it's better than chemical C for keeping them both away too.

So I completely get the reasoning behind why eating a high protein diet works for keeping blood sugar level. But what I don't get is why i suddenly stopped properly controlling the release of insulin. Why do I not release the right amount?

Now you are saying it could be because when my body releases the smaller amount, the job may not be getting done (getting glucose into the cells) and so it releases more to try to make that work? In that case I should expect that my blood glucose level is high immediately after eating, and then when my body is done sending out insulin my blood glucose level is normal, but my inside-the-cell glucose level is low. And that would explain why I would still feel hungry and light-headed etc as if I didn't eat at all?

Yes I think so to the last part of it.

Why do you not release the right amount? One theory is that IR is the inevitable result of a high carb diet. Another is that declining nutrients like mag. cause or influence this in part. And still another is that there could be adrenal and thyroid issues at play. Or that all of the above effect each other, that is probably the most likely scenario imo.

[lil_miss_understood]

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