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Ds and Dd1's dad asked me to come get them!

post #1 of 12
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10am this morning, I got a call from the kids dad to come and get them. I tried to size up the situation, and he said he would call back. He called back, told me nothing, but said he would call back again. Shortly he called and again, very angry, over the top angry, screaming at me, "What did you teach our children!" I couldn't understand what he was saying, he voice was so garbled due to his anger. He said my son swung his fist at him, and my daughter refused to look at him. This all seemed to be missing info. Over the next hour, I had more calls. I finally asked to speak to my son. I asked if he wanted to come home. He said he didn't care what the %^)) he did. He doesn't normally talk like this. The anger was scary. Every once in a while, his dad would shout at him. Then my dd1 got on the phone, was crying so hard I couldn't understand her. I had to listen to her once, then asked her to calm down (told her I love her) and had her say it again. She said that her dad was going to call the police on them (ds and dd). I never could understand why. I was very busy today with clients and I would have picked them up if he would have let me. In between clients, he called again, and said my son was sick at his stomach, hadn't taken his medicine and he wanted to know what to do. I told him to give him ginger so his stomach will relax. He called back later saying, "What I am going to do with him?" He was obviously angry, still angry...that was at least four hours later. I was near and asked to come see the children. He let me do it (against my better judgement, but needed to see that they were okay). I gave them hugs and talked to them, they said they were okay now. I had another client and (so worried about them all the time) then went to the store for groceries. While I was shopping, he called again, asked me to come get my son. I asked him to bring my son to me, because I had to go home (had left my dd2 for several hours with my parents). AFter alot of negotiations, he finally brought ds to me. Ds was miserable, very upset. I still don't know all that happened, although my son told me if I talked to his dad about it, that his dad would call ds's scout leader to tell him how bad my son is, and "then he would hear all about our family problems". Wish he had indeed called the police, and the scout leader. He is so unstable. I am still working with the attorney on gathering evidence. It's so hard. WWYD? and I really wish I had called the police immediately after the first phone call where he was so angry, and wanted the children to come home to me.

My kids can be naughty sometimes, but they are not malicious! Ex was holding my dd's wrist because she wouldn't look at him. When he threatened if she didn't look at him, he was holding a broom, and told her he would hit her with it if she didn't look into his eyes. My son still loves his dad and wants the love dad's are supposed to give, but he is seriously concerned he will never get it. I think it could be worse...as I could feel the anger in his voice with every phone call.
post #2 of 12
Way stressful! How old are dc? Has ex ever been abusive to you or dc in the past? Do your dc trust you to tell you what is going on over there?
post #3 of 12
Oh no, I am so sorry. I can't imagine how helpless you felt. It sounds like your kids may be to the point where they are standing up to their father and he can't handle it, he is losing total control. I think you should report this incident, it probably would have been good to call the police the first time he called, but hindsight is 20/20 and you have so much that you have had to deal with so I don't at all blame you for just being consumed with worry. How is your dd? Have you talked to her? If he calls anymore and is very angry I would call the police and have them go over to his house. Your situation is so horrible and I am so sorry it continues. (((hugs)))
post #4 of 12
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All I knew in the beginning was that he wanted me to pick up the children. I didn't learn about the details till I got my son at 6:30 tonight. His dad wouldn't let my dd come with me. I wanted to push it, but was afraid he would take it out on her more if I did. He legally has the weekend, so he was able to say dd stays, while ds goes. These are some of my thoughts. Next time he says come get the kids, I'm going to get in the car and go get them. If he doesn't allow me to have them, I'm going to call the police, out of worry for the kids.

If I had known what he did to my kids, I'd of course called the police. Hindsight is hindsight in this case. But...this thing lasted for hours. The kids used to tell me he would yell at them all Friday evening after picking them up, and try to find out anything he could, about me, or what we were doing. If he was very angry at me, he would take it out on the kids. When ds was in the hospital, the counselor was able to have ds explain to his dad how that feels, and for a while, it ceased. But it's back with a vengence. I think my kids are refusing to be treated badly, and it is making him very angry. It is very dangerous though. : (
post #5 of 12
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DeerMother:
Kids are 10 and 14. Yes to abuse with both me and the kids. Yes the kids trust me, but are afraid that their dad will find out they told me. It happened once and took them 1 year to trust again enough to tell me.

I've offered their dad advice like, "get out of the house, go to library, park, just get out". He said he was going to do it today, but he didn't.

Normally I don't hear from their dad. I try to allow him the parenting time that is legally his, and expect him to leave me alone during parenting time with my kids. The only time he has been involved in my parenting time is when ds ran away, and the two times ds has been in the psych hospital.

However, today he involved me by calling my up to tell me to come get the children.
post #6 of 12
jyotsna i hope you have the above written for your records with date and time.

all i can do is shake my head and wait. wait. till the day you and your kids are completely free of him. of the bad side of him. i cant wait for the day when HE is seen as the one with the issues and asked to do something before being allowed to parent.

who knows if you got the cops involved how worse things could have gotten. at least now you feel a little better prepared and know what to do in future if this happens again.

it breaks my heart that inspite of all this - your son sooo wants a relationship with his dad. he has every right to want one. its sad for him to see more and more who his father is.
post #7 of 12
can you give your children a cell phone ( even a trac phone) to take along and when he goes off like that just dial 911. Let the police know they are afriad of him harming them ( again)
post #8 of 12
On the one hand, I'm thrilled he called you.

On the other, I'm absolutely positively freaking out for your kids. His behavior is becoming more and more dangerous.

I can't remember if your kids are still in therapy. PLEASE get them to one, and if not (or you fear their father's retaliation for going) encourage them to see the school social worker. Maybe call the school and just tell the social worker that the kids seemed to have a rough weekend (yeah, I know, a bit of an understatement) and could they check in with the kids.

I'm SO FRUSTRATED I can't seem to do any more for you than pray.
post #9 of 12
ohhhh momof4peppers they ARE in therapy. they would not survive if they werent.

i do see your point that its good he called.

the dad is the one who needs all the 'help' one rotten apple affects the whole basket. i cant wait for the day he is seen for who he is.
post #10 of 12
Jyotsna,

I am so sorry you and your kids had to go through this. At the same time, I'm slightly confused. Calling you when he was filled with rage at the kids was a huge step for your X. Given what you know about him and your kids safety with him, I can't imagine choosing to go grocery shopping, or to pick up your other child. Next time he calls in a state like that, please go to them immediately, please.

Momily
post #11 of 12
I'm confused a bit - he called up to tell you to get the kids, but then wouldn't let you get the kids? Because otherwise I would have immediately gone to rescue my children from that hell.

Or were you just waiting it out to see what happened? Because if you were waiting it out, I think it can already be assumed that the worst IS happening. Even if that guy never did another bad thing, he's already acted so horrible that his mere presence his toxic to them. He is one of the most, if not the most, abusive parent I've read about on this board.

If you are gathering evidence against him, that also means creating evidence. File a police report. They of course won't go out there now, but it is part of a paper trail. And has the kids' therapist, or anyone, called CPS yet? (I might have missed some posts about that.) This is urgent. Your kids are being so abused in so many ways. I can't believe that even with the therapists and hospital visits no professionals are clamping down on this "man".
post #12 of 12
Thanks Meemee. I thought he was the one who wouldn't "let" the kids go to therapy (or went through phases where he was ok with it, then not). Those poor kids are AMAZING.

Joytsna - have you talked with your lawyer about having your DS petition the court to limit visitation? Wouldn't he be old enough at this point where the court would take his opinion seriously? I know he wants to preserve his relationship with his father, so maybe this isn't a viable suggestion.
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