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Would you change your 12 month old's name?

post #1 of 23
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This is a long horrible pitiful story, but I really was hoping for some unbiased advice.

Basically, my dh hates baby names. I know, bizarre, but he does. When our 6 yr old was born, my dh stood his ground that he hated all names, until a social worker came to the hospital room and wanted to know why we were refusing to name our baby. I was not the one refusing, it was my husband. I called my husband, very angry at him, and finally, he gave in and said I could name the baby, but that he hates baby names so he hates that we are being forced to name the baby...so WTF on that!

While pregnant with this baby, dh was pulling the same stuff. When the baby was born, in a horribly messed up delivery, dh said I could name the baby and left to go home with the other children. I named him a name that was not on my list because he had declared over the top hate for the names on my list. He came back the next day and when I told him, he immediately and adamently objected. So, I went back to my original name that I had liked for years, which was Liam. My name is Lisa so the names are very similar.

Two days later (yes, still in the hospital), dh came and said he hates the name Liam because it reminds him of Leo, which is an old boss he hates. Oh, btw, the first name was Rowan. DH is Irish so I was picking Irish names. I was devastated and did not know what to do. But I felt so sick and was in a lot of pain. Later, I became very very sick and almost died. I still had not left the hospital. The baby was sent back to the nursery and given bottles. I could not hold him and had to be sent to have procedures on. I found out later that what was wrong with me only had a 10% survival rate, and was a result of the unneccesary csect I had because my doctor freaked over my doing a vbac. At least the doctor apologized and admitted that I should have had a vbac. Regardless, I am never going back to her again. I forgive her, but I have moved on from her.

Under the influence of the extensive drugs I was then on, due to the complications, I actually told my dh "you go ahead and name the baby, I love you." Duh! I was on drugs! A lot of them. I did not get to hold my baby again for another day and a week after that, was released from the hospital. At this point, his name was Ryan.

I cannot stand the name Ryan. My oldest child's name is Riley and people would always call him Ryan when he was little. They still do now. Even this past year, doctors and the school would call him Ryan. We even have had surgery nightmares where Riley had surgery in December and they accidentally filed it on the insurance under Ryan's name so it was never paid for.

Plus, having the baby's name as Ryan is like further nailing the nails in to the coffin that my birth was so traumatic. I cannot even think about his birth without feeling emotional pain. His birthday this past week felt more like an anniversary of trauma than like his first birthday. We did celebrate and all, so not like it affected him.


During the first year of life, my family all called him Liam or Rowan. My sister and nieces had come to the hospital before dh came back the next day and I had told them Rowan already. My nieces, who were 9 and 12, took pictures and showed to all their friends and told all his name was Rowan. When dh objected and I picked Liam, he sent out emails to everyone saying his name is Liam. Later, when dh changed it to Ryan, he only told his mother and his coworkers. We rarely see dh's side of the family. We talk to my family daily and see them most days (they all live in town). My nieces made cards and even homemade decorations with the name Rowan on it. The baby has mostly gone by Liam, or Liam Ryan, or Liam Rowan.


I can deal with his name being Ryan. Even though he has rarely gone by that, it is on his certificate. I know how to change a name, it is not hard (I called and asked and even know what it would cost).

I have considered just taking the leap and changing his name. If I did, I would retain the name Ryan. So it would become Liam Ryan.

But as a better idea, my sister has suggested that we all just call him Rowan as a nickname for Ryan. I know that is not an official nickname, but it is very similar and if people ask why, I can just explain that Riley and Ryan were too confusing so we just changed the first syllable, the one that is the same, in calling him that. If it really catches on, then I will likely eventually legally change his name.

What do you think? Please don't tell me I am nuts, I already know. I just would really like some kind productive advice from the many loving, like-minded moms here. Thank you!
post #2 of 23
If you are already calling him Liam anyway, go ahead and change it. Or just call him whatever you want! My dh and his sister were both raised with names other than what is on their BC because their parents changed their mind. No big deal. Slightly annoying when it comes to medical/legal stuff, but really, they don't even care.
post #3 of 23
I would totally change it to Rowan. Close enough to Ryan.

I would then seek therapy with a husband who is throwing fits with a post partum Mama re: naming her sons. It seems he has a lot of anger over the issue of naming small humans, which in our society is pretty normal, yes?
post #4 of 23
what's his middle name?

I know a lot of people who go by their middle name. You could name him Ryan Liam and simply call him Liam. Or Ryan Rowan and call him Rowan. That would cause the least amount of official difficulties and honor both of your names.

I also think that you may need to talk to someone about your birth trauma. Your son's name isn't the cause of your birth trauma, it just happens to be associated with it.

And what's up with your husband and his 'hatred' of names?
post #5 of 23
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What do you think?
what does your husband think? What would he say if you legally changed his name? Does he have any objections to people calling him Liam or Rowan now?

I would just give him a nickname & not bother with the legal aspect of it.
post #6 of 23
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Originally Posted by LynnS6 View Post
what's his middle name?

I know a lot of people who go by their middle name. You could name him Ryan Liam and simply call him Liam. Or Ryan Rowan and call him Rowan. That would cause the least amount of official difficulties and honor both of your names.

I also think that you may need to talk to someone about your birth trauma. Your son's name isn't the cause of your birth trauma, it just happens to be associated with it.

And what's up with your husband and his 'hatred' of names?
I have no idea about the hatred of names bit. I could try to come up with reasons and excuses, like he has a lot of people he hates. His adoptive mother was extremely abusive and he is always still so scared of her judgement so I think he picks everything in his life apart until he hates it all. He has little patience for much.

I just really cannot stand the name Ryan. Calling him Rowan seems to be the easiest way to go. Changing his name to Liam seems appropriate too so I could go either way. Rowan is less common so I like that, plus, it keeps the initials the same.

Oh, the middle name, it is Andrew, after our son who died 10 years ago. So it is a namesake and I cannot see calling him by that.
post #7 of 23
At 12 mos old, changing his name is not that big a deal, esp if it's to something similar sounding. Many kids develop nicknames or pet names that have nothing to do with their legal names, and happily take those on. But if it's that big a deal to you, do it. I know adults who changed their names and it took a while to get used to, but we all did, and it was no big deal.

I'm more concerned with the whole naming issue with your hubby. It seems such a minor thing to be riled up about - most people are thrilled and excited about naming their kids, rather than offended and angry. Counselling. Seriously.
post #8 of 23
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Originally Posted by Cascadian View Post
At 12 mos old, changing his name is not that big a deal, esp if it's to something similar sounding. Many kids develop nicknames or pet names that have nothing to do with their legal names, and happily take those on. But if it's that big a deal to you, do it. I know adults who changed their names and it took a while to get used to, but we all did, and it was no big deal.

I'm more concerned with the whole naming issue with your hubby. It seems such a minor thing to be riled up about - most people are thrilled and excited about naming their kids, rather than offended and angry. Counselling. Seriously.
OK, I should not express personal information like this, but, we have a son who has autism spectrum disorder. Sometimes, when my dh has weird hangups like this, I have wondered if maybe he has issues like that too. It is not classic autism. It is not obvious to people that my son has ASD, unless they spend a lot of time with him.
post #9 of 23
OK with the additional information, I'd change his name (legally) to Rowan if you can. Rowan Andrew is a beautiful name.

Then I'd ask that dh get counseling. He clearly has a lot of issues and anger, and he's taking them out on the wrong people.
post #10 of 23
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Originally Posted by Lisa1970 View Post
OK, I should not express personal opinions, but, we have a son who has autism spectrum disorder. Sometimes, when my dh has weird hangups like this, I have wondered if maybe he has issues like that too. It is not classic autism. It is not obvious to people that my son has ASD, unless they spend a lot of time with him.
No, that's totally fair, and should be mentioned, because it didn't even occur to me. From what the OP suggested, it stems from an abusive past (and I was kinda concerned how it would be projected onto her and the kids) but it could possibly be mixed in with mental health issues. Good point.
post #11 of 23
Wow.

So, the direct answer: Yes. I would have no problem changing a name. None at all. Especially if you call him by the name you're changing it to.

Re: your husband: He needs help. Babies are people, baby names are people names, he just doesn't like naming people. Fine. But dude, your kids have to have NAMES, you know? I mean, did he plan on numbering them? I dunno, it is so irrational as to be baffling. I agree, he needs counseling. If he can't put his child's welfare over his hang-ups, then he needs to learn to do that.

Edited: I didn't see that you'd lost a child. I'm so sorry. I agree, that may be related. I hope you get help!
post #12 of 23
"Hate" is a pretty strong word. I mean, if you equate Ryan with the Omen or something...for God's sakes, change it!

I can't imagine not being on the same page as my DH with something as simple as a name. We picked DD's name out of love for her and ourselves. She was her name in utero...even when she was conceived. She was/is her name
post #13 of 23
I would not change a baby's name to a totally different name, at that age, because by that age a baby recognizes his/her own name. But if you've already been using that name anyway, I think changing the legal name to match the name you're using sounds just fine.

I'm sorry you're having to go through this. It sounds like your DH has had a hard time of it, too. Have you guys ever considered counseling?
post #14 of 23
My name was merely misspelled on my birth certificate. It was a huge, giant hassle. Schools were a fight, one passport had the legal spelling, the next had the "preferred" spelling, doctor's records were a nightmare. Prescriptions just as bad. Marriage license, then divorce (when I finally fixed the spelling) were a nightmare of proving my name. Professional life is harder - employers want you to use your legal name, getting personal references can be hard when you go by another name and many employers wonder what you are hiding/running from if you have one legal name and a "known as" name. (My name was misspelled due to a hospital error and my parents didn't know you could fix it.)

My ex-husband has a name that is not his legal name at all. It's an even bigger hassle. He didn't change the his name when we got divorced (I did the paperwork and offered him the option, he declined.) It's a nightmare in the hospital - especially when they asked his name when he was injured and they'd get a different name than was on the chart and they'd go looking for the correct information and... round and round and round.

If you have a name that you plan on calling him and being his primary name, especially this young, I would change his name legally so that this is set up as early as possible and is as little hassle for him as possible.

As for your husband - I agree with the others, he needs help. Especially if he's busy changing names while you are busy recovering from something they are 90% you'll die from. Also, he only gave the new name to his mother (and coworkers) and allowed everyone else to call the child the "wrong" name for a year? How often does he need his mother's approval for things as an adult?
post #15 of 23
My instinct, when I read the thread title was 'uh no!' but since you've never called him ryan, do it. Nobody hardly is going to know, and really, who cares. Change it to either Liam Ryan or Rowan Ryan or Rowan Liam, or whatever you want. I do have a question though... what does your *DH* call him?? Rowan? Ryan? Liam???
post #16 of 23
Cascadian, maybe I read your post wrong, but are you saying autism is a mental health issue? because it is not. Autism is a developmental disability.
post #17 of 23
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Originally Posted by Lisa1970 View Post
OK, I should not express personal information like this, but, we have a son who has autism spectrum disorder. Sometimes, when my dh has weird hangups like this, I have wondered if maybe he has issues like that too. It is not classic autism. It is not obvious to people that my son has ASD, unless they spend a lot of time with him.
i totally suspect xh hs aspergers, hes the same way. tons of 'quirks'
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post #18 of 23
change it!

Regarding your husband, is it a cultural thing? My parent's weren't given names until they were about 5 or so-- before that it is a nickname or family name. kind of like calling a child bobby when it's younger, but then robert for the adult.
post #19 of 23
You mentioned you had lost a child. Could the whole naming thing be related to that. I think before you do anything you and your dh need counseling and need to be able to come to a decision on this together. There has got to be more to this story than what is being communicated here. I mean I get you don't like the name but what about your dh. He obviously likes ryan more than other names. Is he attached to that name? Does he maybe feel you are not listening to him? How does he feel about changing it? the poor kid, despite what the birth certificate says really does not have a name. Lots of different people calling him lots of different things. I don't think waiting longer at this point will hurt. might as well resolve the underlying issues first before further tangling the issue.
post #20 of 23
You could do two middle names in any case. Ryan Liam Rowan 1970. I know a lot of people with two middle names, a lot of people who are called different names by different relatives and friends, etc. It should be ok legally and socially if the child just has all the names, yk? As for your dh's issues, I have no idea.
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