OPK and LH and Chart experts *eyes needed here*

[vivica2]

ok ladies i sound like one of the "i didnt know i was preg" people but lets start this off with: i just took an FRER and it was neg.....again, so now to the plot twist.

have taken vitex ..3 cycles ago for 2 cycles to treat a LPD.
last cycle nixed the vitex and tried soy iso with b6 and zink
this cycle i decided to just take my prenatal, and let nature have its way with me.....and this is what happened: http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1b07bd

the latest i have EVER ovulated is CD 24. and im now on CD 32 with no ovulation.

all those neg opks in the middle were very close to positive...but iffy, so i marked them as neg.

today's OPK is seriously blood red it is so dark.... what could cause this???

one of my friends said she thinks since i keep revving up, and not ovulating that i better stop DTD because when i DO ovulate, im going to release like 10 eggs....

here are some pics to help.

the last 4 opks and today's frer. (today's OPK is still wet that's why the control line looks lighter. )
http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/y...ycyclestar.jpg

today's OPK...so dark! its making me nervous that something is wrong... http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/y.../todaysOPK.jpg

any of you ladies seen this before? or know of a site i can go to do some research?


THANKS!!!!

[just_lily]

Oh my. That has to be crazy making.

My only idea is to maybe try to get in for a blood test. Is it possible to get a + on an OPK as HPT, but not on an actual HPT? I have no idea.

Hopefully someone else has some actual insight for you. I will be stalking this thread for sure!

[vivica2]

i need to stop googling.... i just found this...

A woman trying to conceive asked her doctor if she could use Ovulation Predictor Tests (OPK's) as Home Pregnancy Tests (HPT's). The reason for the question is that it is asked a lot on "trying to conceive" web sites. Many women will have an extra OPK after ovulating and may want to use it as an HPT. Here is what the doctor said.

The chemical make-up of LH (LH is the hormone that triggers the release of the egg and is very high prior to ovulation and causes a positive result on an OPK), is one thread short of being hCG (HCG is produced by the placenta during prenancy and it is what HPT's look for). That is why you will not get a + hpt if you are having your LH surge, but you will get a + OPK if you are pregnant, that one thread that is in the hCG, but missing from the LH is what makes the hpt work.

But on the other hand, he did say that an OPK is probably the most sensitive hpt you can buy. He said that there are two ways to use it.

1. Using it daily and if your test line gets darker then you are most probably pregnant

2. Use it once (yeah right ), and if your test line is as dark as or darker than the referance line then you are pregnant.

He said that the only bad things about using the OPK are that

1. The OPK will pick up a + hCG before the doctor's office test but about two days after a beta test would pick it up (detecting 10mIU of hCG being between 7dpo - 9dpo ~ according to the average impant of 5-7 days), so if you are waiting to take a urine test at the doc's office, you would still have to wait.

2. It detects pregnancy so early that it will detect chemical pregnancy and early m/c pregnancy

3. Cannot be used reliably by PCOS patients if they have a high LH (as most do)

[LivingSky]

Hmmm - definitely bizarre. But, I'd say from your chart that you probably haven't ovulated yet. Your temps are much lower than they have been on any of your previous post-O charts.

[Maurine]

Your chart looks annovulatory to me, too. But, you might still O!

[vivica2]

right, i also believe i havnt ovulated.....any ideas as to why i would have 2 weeks of pos opk's?

[Attached2Elijah]

Uhm.... color me stumped! I have seen a lot of charts and a lot of OPKs... and the only ones I have seen like that are PCOS but that doesn't fit with you because you have had previous charts with a clear O shift and normal OPKs... it wouldn't make sense for you to just have an off month out of the blue like that.

I also think that with that many days between the positive opks and the latest pg test, it couldn't be pregnancy either because you should have got a bfp by now...

I'm really, really stumped and I can almost always come up with some sort of hypothesis... not so much here. Veryyyyyyyyyy odd.

[MaerynPearl]

If those are Answer brand tests, not a single one is positive.

For Answer brand, the darkest part of the line has to be 50% or more of the width of the line AND darker than the control line... not a skinny one darker than control.

http://www.peeonastick.com/opkfaq.html#13

[Daisy420]

Originally Posted by MaerynPearl

If those are Answer brand tests, not a single one is positive.

For Answer brand, the darkest part of the line has to be 50% or more of the width of the line AND darker than the control line... not a skinny one darker than control.

http://www.peeonastick.com/opkfaq.html#13

I ditto this! I've used answer once and will never use them again!!! Soo confusing....my test line was always darker than the control, but never more than 50% thickness. So I thought I was getting + for like 6 days straight until I found some useful info on POAS under the OPK facts on this. I don't think u O'd yet either, but hope u do soon .

[WTHamI?]

Another vote for you haven't ovulated and should try a different brand of OPKs. The answer ones are awful because the far left side of the line gets darker than the control, but Mae is right, with those more than half the line needs to be darker than the control and that's not the case with the ones in the pic. Your chart still looks like all pre-O temps to me so I think you're just having a long cycle. Sorry

[HulaJenn]

I agree with the friend in that you are revving but not successfully ovulated yet. Not uncommon to have a random annov cycle. i also agree the temps are too low to be a hidden pregnancy. Your coverline on your previous chart was 97.8 and all the current chart temps are below that.

[karmab]

and do not listen to your friend! that stuff from the doc above too is outdated. i would keep on keeping on and get some new opks, it might still be coming.

[vivica2]

oh my god..... i just looked at the brand. ANSWER!

seriously! that's ridiculous! the test today got darker and the whole line is about the same as the control. so i think today is still a pos...but the rest are obviously neg!!

good news- im not some mutant LH producing crazy lady,
bad news- my body is still pissed.

THANKS SO MUCH LADYS! i new someone could help me!!!

[babygrey]

I have a random thought for you, bc it doesn't look like you normally O late- (apologies if this is unwanted commentary)
I took Vitex for many months. At first, I loved it, but it turned into a really bad experience... Mainly, I never O'd on Vitex and my cycles got all whacked out. I started having frequent midcycle spotting that I'd never had before in my life (I see a few days of spotting on your chart- IDK if that's normal for you?)

I have inherent O problems, so possibly that wasn't the Vitex at all, but, when I brought up the Vitex to both an herbalist MW and my RE, they both said "oh, you'll NEVER get pg on Vitex". Herbalist said it was a very powerful herb and shouldn't be used by itself (mind you, I had been on it for 3? months ATT and was quite attached to it). I stopped taking it to see what would happen and my midcycle spotting resolved a few weeks later.

I know that is heresy in the internet ttc world, and there are many moms who swear by it...I certainly didn't want to believe it was bad for me for a long time. I still have no idea what to think about it, my guess is, that for some women, Vitex is a wonder herb and for some, not. Idk how long you've been taking it, but maybe consider a month w/o it and see what happens?

[vivica2]

this is my first month without it. no meds at all. and this is what happened.
but thank for the tip...guess i wont be starting it again! lol