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post #1 of 26
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mommas, I'm going to have to pull my dd from her current daycare. I'm furious at some of the things going on there. Alas, I know I can get wound up, and I have a background in early childhood ed best practices that I'm sure is whacking me out also, so I need some advice/feedback/etc., from you all.

Dd (age 3)has been at 5 daycare arrangements total. We recently relocated again, and while she has always attended the "doctor daycare", I realized it was too monocultural of an environment, and she needed some exposure to people and ways that are not just.like.ours. kwim?

So, I chose a YMCA daycare based on two factors: 1: multicultural (black teacher, big plus) and 2: least expensive option (200/wk).

The first day I lingered and noticed the standard of practice of 4 positive statements to 1 negative was like 1:40 (yes, I counted, I know...) and the teacher demonstrated a lack of grammar usage "do he live in the hayloff" while crabbing at the various children to sit still. The director was quite proud of the early reading program connected to a local university and talked and talked about it. When I asked if there was a different class that had no reading program, she seemed to not understand. I asked another teacher, and no, there was no other option. The program is not advertised as 3K.
I began to receive green slips of paper every day; "dd had a good day". One day it was yellow; "dd had an okay day". No other information. Last week, dd figured it all out, and told me she was "good" and got "green slips" and thus got a sucker. Other children who receive red slips are dejected and ashamed when parents pick them up, and in general there is not a flavor of happy, perky children present. Add to this the mounds of syrup and waffles served up for "morning snack" and another diabetes-wanna-be bar of something in the afternoon (provided by parents, I understand) and the constant, really constant, wave of critical, badgering, nasty tones coming from every single classroom in the building as I walk past Every Day. Dd's day has previously been filled with endless baby-play, building, outside time, water play, singing, dancing and prolific freestyle artwork. All she's received here is a weekly cutout coloring page of one of their "themes" based on the early reading program and a sheet of senseless vocabulary words (one was wire pen). The day here is largely teacher-directed(crabbed) and sit-down-and-shut-up type schooly behavior learning.

On so many levels this environment screams "you all need some education" but I see it as an insurmountable effort. I've been PAID to do the fixing in daycares before. I don't wanna do it anymore. But I also know when I'm looking at substandard. I need to send a letter in explaining why we transferred (after the fact), but I may also need a reality check. Am I overreacting? I should note we're very AP/GD at home and this behavioral expletive makes me crazy. Montessori/waldorf is impossible due to $ and coordination at present. Please help! Do I need to just chill out? Do something? Just pull her? The next best alternative is another 100 a month and is going to create some problems in the budget, but seems necessary.
post #2 of 26
If the worst thing you can say about the previous daycare is that it is "monocultural" I would return there.
post #3 of 26
Moving to Working Mamas due to focus on day care
post #4 of 26
Thread Starter 
I would absolutely have kept her in the previous daycare, but alas, we moved across the state. I miss them.
post #5 of 26
The dialect wouldn't bother me, but all the other stuff would.
post #6 of 26
I really hate Y daycares. My dd has been to a few daycares, including one chain daycare, but I didn't feel that any off them had a low level of quality like the Y daycares do in our area. I suggest writing the letter and pulling her. I think it is good that they hear from parents about why they are pulling kids out. Hopefully more parents will complain and they will fix the problem. It is a huge problem that is going on in our state also.
post #7 of 26
I , too, would pull out.

The crabbiness and color behavior system push (though I am not anti-academic...I am anti-sit n quiet- for 3/4 yr olds). We eat healthy, but pretty mainstream and I would frown on so many sweets...they are for special occasions, not daily!
post #8 of 26
Can you find a good licensed home-based daycare? Or a good montessori or reggio with scholarships?

It sounds awful, and really I'm not that fussy. Or maybe I've been really lucky.
post #9 of 26
I would definitely pull her. The place she's in sounds awful.

In regards to monocultures:
When DS was born, we were totally naive and thought we could just PUT our kid in daycare. We were lucky to find a great place with no waiting list - not the best neighborhood, but not a dangerous one - with a wonderful program, and a lot of ethnic, cultural, and socioeconomic diversity.

Fast forward three years. We have a second baby, I call up our old daycare, and discover that now they have a waiting list. When we get DD in, the parent population seems much whiter. The combination of the impossibility of selling a "starter home" in an edgy neighborhood, and word getting out, means that all of a sudden they're developing a monoculture.

It's kind of maddening. But it's *really* good care, and I'm not moving my baby.
post #10 of 26
I'd pull her in a heartbeat.

I'd write a letter to the director, listing the NAEYC standards that they're failing at with specific examples that you have witnessed. I suspect your university library has a copy of the latest edition of "Developmentally Appropriate Practice" that you can borrow, if you don't have your own copy.

If they're NAEYC accredited, I'd also send a copy of your letter to them. NAEYC accredits for 3 or 5 years, and a center can really slip.

I hope you can find some good daycare soon for your little one!
post #11 of 26
You are absolutely right to pull dd immediately. I KWYM about being tired of being the "fixer," but I think you should at least write a letter. I'd send it to every member of the YMCA board of directors. Their names should be on the Y's website.

Does your local high school have a type of career/tech center? A friend of mine just recently had great luck with the day care at our local one. High school students are learning to be care providers and their ratios are very good. She's very excited about the diversity and the fact that the high school students are learning best practices so their standards are high. AND, it's practically free because the school pays for it!
post #12 of 26
Thread Starter 
thanks, mommas! Sometimes I think maybe I'm just really really picky but you all gave me a bit of a reality check. I love the idea of using the standards! Maybe it's the fear and guilt of yet another change for dd that's getting me jumpy. I feel awful that on my first walk through there wasn't any of the reality going on.
post #13 of 26
The bad grammar would actually bug me. I got an email from a teacher friend of mine where she started every paragraph with "Anyways", and it drove me crazy. But, only because she is a teacher. LOL

The bad overall feeling would bother me too. I would prefer a more creative, relaxed but fun environment. I get that this might work for their particular group of kids, but it wouldn't work very well for me.

It's probably not a bad place at all, just not my preference.
post #14 of 26
Our preschool is not, at all, multicultural. It really pains me and we hope to go to public charter school that is. But I wouldn't accept that environment, especially at that age, just to achieve a goal of racial diversity. If you can find a better place, I would suggest choosing it.
post #15 of 26
Sorry that I misunderstood. I would be looking for alternatives as well.
post #16 of 26
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Originally Posted by lolar2 View Post
The dialect wouldn't bother me, but all the other stuff would.
Me, too. If you want diversity, you're going to get diverse dialects. Period.

THAT SAID--The sweets. The negative statements. The sitting at desks with chairs for anything except crafts! The reading (really?)! That all sounds really inappropriate.

And we're not white, either.

I would write a brief, upbeat but blunt letter and pull her. It sucks, I know. But I had my daughter in a pre-school that was only "meh" (it was a summer camp) and then moved her to a much better one, and she loves it and hasn't looked back. So you can do it!
post #17 of 26
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Originally Posted by EdnaMarie View Post
THAT SAID--The sweets. The negative statements. The sitting at desks with chairs for anything except crafts! The reading (really?)! That all sounds really inappropriate.
I agree that this doesn't sound like a place to keep your child, if you have other options.

However, I am just wondering about OP and some PPs abhorrence at the idea of a reading program. Does everyone think reading programs are a bad idea in daycare??

Over this summer, we hired a Kindergarten teacher full time (during her summer break) to work on pre-literacy skills with the 3 -5 year olds at our centre. She worked one-on-one with each child every day, at their pace, in a style interesting to them. For example, one 4 year old boy was enthralled with transformers, so she would totally incorporate transformers into their work. If the child was not interested on a particular day, they could return to the group at any time for free-play. The duration of each session was completely variable, depending on the child and their attention on a given day. If a child was really in the groove, sometimes they would go on for an hour with the teacher! One 5 year old would illustrate 6 - 8 page books every day and dictate text for the teacher to write on each page. Over time, she started to write some of the words herself.

I pretty much gave up any profit for the summer to hire this qualified teacher for over $4000/mo to enable this reading program to be delivered to 6 preschool aged children at our daycare. I'd hate to think it would actually be a drawback for any potential clients.
post #18 of 26
Thread Starter 
Yeah, the dialect thing--I'm from way up nort where people have tree trees in da yard, and'll tell you all aboat dat. So, I'm not above letting some pronunciation slide--but the grammar. Sheesh. With the early reading and language emphasis, even. Dd's grammar is better than her teacher. What a statement at 3. I could even have let it go in isolation--and was willing to. I guess it just screamed to me "I haven't had any education in child development, early education, or anything for that matter, and I don't read".

I guess we've been spoiled by the teachers who simply love their work and seem better paid for it. I have to shell out some more dough until I find some nifty homeschooling momma I fall in love with and convince her to take on dd.
post #19 of 26
"Do he live in the hayloff" still sounds to me like the right grammar for the kind of dialect you are talking about, but I'll leave the rest of that to the actual linguists on this board. But as I said, the other stuff would still bother me!
post #20 of 26
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by KCMommy View Post
I agree that this doesn't sound like a place to keep your child, if you have other options.

However, I am just wondering about OP and some PPs abhorrence at the idea of a reading program. Does everyone think reading programs are a bad idea in daycare??

Over this summer, we hired a Kindergarten teacher full time (during her summer break) to work on pre-literacy skills with the 3 -5 year olds at our centre. She worked one-on-one with each child every day, at their pace, in a style interesting to them. For example, one 4 year old boy was enthralled with transformers, so she would totally incorporate transformers into their work. If the child was not interested on a particular day, they could return to the group at any time for free-play. The duration of each session was completely variable, depending on the child and their attention on a given day. If a child was really in the groove, sometimes they would go on for an hour with the teacher! One 5 year old would illustrate 6 - 8 page books every day and dictate text for the teacher to write on each page. Over time, she started to write some of the words herself.

I pretty much gave up any profit for the summer to hire this qualified teacher for over $4000/mo to enable this reading program to be delivered to 6 preschool aged children at our daycare. I'd hate to think it would actually be a drawback for any potential clients.
Oh my. This? Beautiful. Interesting. Child-led in so many ways. I'd totally get into this. I'm not concerned as much about reading as a fun, interesting value with kids being involved in it in the context of the day. This program here is what I see as a pollution of the entire day's events at school (and I could be very off here at how successful or not it really is--maybe it's cutting edge but it doesn't sit right) The teacher resets the classroom based solely on the theme dictated by the program. The dramatic play area, for example, was repopulated with farm-type foods, and children were instructed during center time to develop a farmer's market and sell the produce or whatever. Block area? Told to build a barn for animals. No teacher guidance in the activity, and from what I could tell there was not a time to "fly free" for the kids--all things seem dictated regardless of where they are, and it's all very education-oriented. The artwork--if I could call it that--is a coloring sheet of some animal. The free artwork--again if I could make the stretch--was a drawing of dd's "favorite farm animal". These are all great, and I see the value, but all the rest is lacking.

I realized last week that they also line the children up at set times to use the bathroom one at a time. All I could think is "how much time is dd sitting in a line waiting or sitting in a circle waiting or sitting at a table waiting" because I see this all the time and it seems developmentally inappropriate for 3 year olds. The kids already look stressed. Really.

and! They give the three hour nap and dd doesn't hit the sack until midnight, despite my suggestion to pull her naptime.

OTOH; they are creating a lot of business for my child psych practice. lol!
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