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Why Why WHY!!?? water birth/ non water birth

post #1 of 32
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I thought I wanted a home water birth, but then I read stuff like babies dying in water birth.

Like how do I know if it is safe to give birth under water when one side is saying it is completely safe and the other side is saying absolutely not safe.

It seems like whenever I hear about home birth it is a water birth but what is it like to just deliver at home... Idk squatting or something?
post #2 of 32
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Oh thanks. I have no idea. I am new here. I just want to know it is safe.
post #3 of 32
Even if you don't choose water birth, home birth is an excellent choice for those women who wish to have a low intervention birth in the intimate privacy of their home. There is also the ease in home birth of not having to get up and leave to a birth center or hospital, and being able to relax after the birth in your own home.

At home, like anywhere else you can deliver in whatever position you desire. At home that means that you most likely wont face any opposition to delivering/laboring in the position of your choosing.

I don't believe that water birth is either completely dangerous or completely safe.

While it depends on mama and on if baby has any sort of abnormality(though i'm not sure of any abnormality that would risk out water birth without risking out vaginal birth in general) it also depends on environmental factors. By this I mean the temperature of the water. It is believed by many that if the water is too cool, baby will be prompted to take a breath, just like it would in the air. Similarly, you can't give birth into the water in a position that would require baby to hit air first. (i.e. born into air, then allowed to drop into the water) but that is really just common sense, isnt it?

but then again, newborns instinctively paddle towards the surface if dropped into water, while holding their breath.


as for my experience, i do believe that ds would have absolutely avoided the nicu if he had been born into water like i had wanted
post #4 of 32
Pick up "Gentle Birth Choices" by Barbara Harper. It's wonderful. Also check out anything by Michel Odent but "Water Baby" is great! He's a french doctor and one of the earliest proponents of water birth.

Jenne
post #5 of 32
I wouldn't trust 'Dr. Amy' if she told me the world was round. In fact I trust Wikipedia more!! (Wikipedia says "there are no valid reports of infants deaths due to water aspiration or inhalation".)
Would I do it? Probably not. Do I personally think its safe? Sure, as long as you have a care provider who knows what they're doing. Its just not my thing.
post #6 of 32
Yeah Dr. Amy is not a reliable source, as I'd tell my high school students doing research (who wanted to use only wikipedia and Joe Shmoe's web site). She spends all her time picking fights on the internet, totally one-sided.

BUT you can do a HB without a waterbirth. I might have a tub b/c my midwife REALLY believes in it, but I can totally just see myself curled up on the bed again (like last time-- no access to a tub but it's not like I was jonesing for one or even using the shower or moving once I got close... it's just harder to find storeis and such these days-- I suppose it could be because WB really IS the bee's knees or maybe it's just very popular right now and everyone's trying it out.

A good midwife, if she's experienced with WB, will know how to facilitate one safely. She'll know all about positioning and when/how to move babe and all that. No screwing around, totally as safe as nonWB.
post #7 of 32
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Originally Posted by Jenne View Post
Pick up "Gentle Birth Choices" by Barbara Harper. It's wonderful. Also check out anything by Michel Odent but "Water Baby" is great! He's a french doctor and one of the earliest proponents of water birth.

Jenne
I found "Gentle Birth Choices" but is the "Water Baby" this one http://www.amazon.com/We-Are-All-Wat...998857&sr=1-1?
post #8 of 32
I have had 2 home births, and both times I labored in the water but wanted out by transition. So HB does not equal water birth. Like all things in the birthing world, water birth is safe for most women and babies, but nothing in birthing is 100% safe. There are simply too many variations of normal and too many factors at play to make anything 100% guaranteed safe.
post #9 of 32
No choice is 100% safe and anyone who tries to claim something is... is lying. I did have a water birth (I was in and out through labor and when it came time to push I REALLY needed to squat and I just couldn't get comfortable out of the water so I was grateful to have the tub) and I think it was helpful to me. If I didn't have it as an option I would have figured something out.
post #10 of 32
I agree, HB does not always mean water birth. The birth pool is a wonderful tool for labor, but you can decide to get out of the water and push somewhere else. You will know what is right when the time comes.

With my son, I labored in the tub, and got on the bed to push.
With my daughter, I labored in the tub, and stayed in there to push. I honestly did not intend to have her in there beforehand. Things were just going so well in there, and I didn't want to get out and change anything.

You should probably get a tub for your HB, but you don't have to use it when it is time to push. You should give birth wherever you feel comfortable!
post #11 of 32
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post #12 of 32
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I found "Gentle Birth Choices" but is the "Water Baby" this one http://www.amazon.com/We-Are-All-Wat...998857&sr=1-1?
Yep! That is it! Happy reading! I will say that what I appreciate about Harper and Odent is that it is about *CHOICES*. No one is saying, "This is how *YOU* should give birth." Instead it is, "Here is a valid option to consider and why."

For myself, I will have a water birth tub available because I want the *choice*. If in the course of labor I think it would feel good, better, or just be what I want, I want that option. To me it is no more of an, "Ack!" then whether I will have apple juice or laborade on hand. I want the choice so I'll make sure I'm stocked with both.

Jenne
post #13 of 32
While no birth or birth place is 100% without risk (just like life!) I've NEVER heard of a baby dying because of waterbirth. In fact, an OB in my town does waterbirths at the local hospital. And in places like Sweden (and some other European countries), it's commonly used in hospitals (just look at youtube to see some videos).

As the others said, you don't have to have a waterbirth in any case. You can do a homebirth without it. You can also labor in the water for comfort and then get out to deliver the baby.

Good luck with your research
post #14 of 32
There's one hospital here in Baltimore that does water births. Friend of mine is birthing there, but with an OB rather than the CNMs. I asked her if WB was an option with the OB. She said her OB said it can be a risk for bacteria to get into baby - like if you poop in the water. (Funny how it's safe enough for the patients of the CNMs though. )

Well, newborns can be exposed to poop in dry land births too! Even back in the day when they used to give laboring mamas enemas, that still doesn't guarantee there will be no poop.

Besides, baby doesn't hang out in the water a while, he's birthed & lifted out - & obviously doesn't start breathing until he's out. (Granted, mucous membranes such as eyes are locations where bacteria can enter the blood stream.)

I told her I read in the book "Pushed" that HB MWs ask Mamas to have fish nets or colanders available to scoop the poo out of the labor tub. a funny image, I must say.

In any case, I know WB is so common in Europe & even many birth centers in the US offer it - not just HB. I confess that I haven't read much on it yet, but I'm just pretty confident that it's safe - especially if US hospitals are doing it, considering how fearful they are of legal liability.

As for the benefits - it's scientifically proven that immersion in water eases the pain of labor. (I spent most of my labor floating in our inground pool at home before going to the hospital & it was awesome!) & I believe it reduces the risk of tears, so it sounds great to me! & as someone else said, it's easier to get into different positions - like squatting, which would be difficult to balance & stay upright that way on land, even with some support.
post #15 of 32
I believe the main reason hospitals don't offer water birth is because they are afraid of not being able to get the tubs clean enough between births, and are super worried about super-bacteria, etc. Like anything else birth related, I would look at the individual arguments and see if they make sense, or if they're backed up by any kind of research.

It is surprising how many "positions" touted by medical professionals and organizations are based on a medical culture rather than biology or actual research. Many ideas taken for granted as being best practice are simply "passed down" by "common knowledge," but do not hold up to scientific study. The idea that routine use of IVs and continuous EFM somehow make birth safer are just two common examples.

Homebirth does not always mean water birth, but it is a great option. I planned to have ds2 in the tub, but he came too fast. I had ds3 in the tub, and it was heavenly. (However, ironically, ds2 has loved the water from the beginning, and ds3 at age 2 still won't go near a tub without screaming his head off! )

You do want to make sure your birth attendant is comfortable and understands the dynamics, though. Temperature is important. As a pp mentioned, you don't want the water too cool. It also takes some experience to be able to judge how much a mother is bleeding afterwards when the blood is diffused in the water. And there are sometimes occasions when attendants need to be prepared to help the mom get out of the tub quickly (but then, a necessary quick position change can be needed when birthing on land, too).

My mw at ds3's birth certainly attends waterbirths, but has admitted she's most comfortable attending land births. As I was pushing, she kept reminding me to keep my bottom in the water, and I sensed just a touch of anxiety from her, which I found rather annoying. There was really no way in that full, deep birth tub that my nether regions were going to float up high enough for the baby to be born in the air first, so the warning was really unnecessary. It wasn't a big deal.. but, still... my mw this time around actually seems to prefer water births.

I'm still not sure if I'll have another one, though. I think we'll have the tub available. But, my births go quick, and I might just decide to opt for laboring in the shower instead of the hassle of setting up the pool (although it does keep dh busy and give him something to do while I'm in labor, which is helpful in and of itself! lol!)
post #16 of 32
Waterbirth is a valid birth choice. It is offered at my birthing center and at most hospitals back home. Both my sisters (Germany) labored in the tub but wanted out for squatting when they pushed, however waterbirth itself is common, attended by obgyns as well as midwives. I have no idea why American obgyns and hospitals are so against it.
post #17 of 32
Perhaps American OBs are against WB for the same reason so many prefer lithotomy position - it's easiest for them. I'm thinking if they don't like not being able to have an easy view, say if a woman wants to squat, then they would most CERTAINLY not be happy trying to look down into the tub.

Just a thought.

We all know that there are many things American HCPs say are for the good of mama & baby but really are for their own personal convenience. Several pop into my mind immediately & I'm feeling
post #18 of 32
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I agree, HB does not always mean water birth. The birth pool is a wonderful tool for labor, but you can decide to get out of the water and push somewhere else. You will know what is right when the time comes.
Agreed. We rented a tub for our home birth, just in case that is where I ended up! I labored everywhere in our home. On the futon, on a birth ball, walked our property, in the water.....

We prepared our home for everything, I wanted options and didn't know really where I would feel most comfortable. We had our DS in the tub and it was fantastic. No clean up, just watered the garden with our birth water!

Good luck to you with your decisions.
post #19 of 32
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Perhaps American OBs are against WB for the same reason so many prefer lithotomy position - it's easiest for them. I'm thinking if they don't like not being able to have an easy view, say if a woman wants to squat, then they would most CERTAINLY not be happy trying to look down into the tub.

Just a thought.

We all know that there are many things American HCPs say are for the good of mama & baby but really are for their own personal convenience. Several pop into my mind immediately & I'm feeling
Exactly!

I had two water births and planning my third. Both times I labored on land and when I felt the need to push I got in the water. I don't really see how a baby would die in the water. Babies don't take a breath until they are pulled up out of the water, after all they have been living in water for 9 months.
post #20 of 32
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Thank you ladies. I have interviews with 3 potential midwives next week. I will be sure to discuss my options with them.
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