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2.5 year old playdate politics

post #1 of 7
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My DD is 2.5 and we live right across the street from another 2.5 year old who is only one month older than my DD. The two have been playing together since they both started walking. My DD is a relatively calm, non-aggressive kid who has learned to share quite well without being forced, etc. My DD's friend across the street is the complete opposite. She has always been aggressive, unable to share, massive meltdowns over everything. She is also quite a bit bigger than my DD, at least height wise. Since they started playing together, the friend has always been aggressive/violent towards my DD. It started with tackling or random hitting, pushing her off things, that sort of thing. I chalked it up to normal toddler-hood, but the behaviour has not stopped a year later.

This summer, the friend's mom was home all summer with her and I noticed a huge difference in her demeanor (also makes a difference if we play with her in the morning or late evening -- evening is always worse). The mom was very much on top of the violence and would put a stop to it immediately. Most recently I witnessed was the friend grabbing my DD by the hair and jerking her to the ground. Then last night, my DH took her over there to play, and she was kicked and kneed in the face by the friend (all these incidents are with absolutely no provocation).

These are just a few examples. The two play together outside before and after dinner quite often since she is right across the street. Sometimes all is well, but for the most part there is some incident whereby my DD is "attacked" by the friend.

I guess my question is: what do we do? The parents are on it for the most part, although the mom much more than the dad. We have become relatively close with these people and are now both expecting our second children (they will be 6 months apart). We quite enjoy their company, and love that my DD has a friend so close in age right across the street. But sometimes the violence/aggression is insane and we are at a loss for how to handle it.

I do not see behaviour like this is any other child my DD plays with. There are the usual 2.5 year old spats over toys or maybe a little push or hit here and there, but nothing comes close to what we experience with the friend.

Thoughts and insights would be very much appreciated. Sorry this is so long and convoluted!
post #2 of 7
It is normal 2.5 year old behavior. I still wouldn't have my DD playing with some one who was always hurting her. Once they are older the behavior will stop anyway. The other little girl sounds like she has a more intense temperament. Once she's old enough to have some impulse control she'll be able to play with others better. She can probably play with older children now just not peers. Some little kids just don't play well with peers until they are 3.5 or 4.

When my DD was young enough to impulsively throw sand or push, an aggressive act meant playtime was over. I'd say "if you can't play nice/safe you can't play". Then we'd leave or I'd put her in the backpack. I don't know what your friend/neighbor is doing, but some kind of time in or leaving works well for this type of behavior.
post #3 of 7
wow this situation sounds almost exactly like the one we have, with my daughter being the slightly older one and the victim, the other one being a boy. We're trying to figure out how to do it too, we did take a long break of not playing with our neighbor. I wouldn't go over there often anymore, be honest 'your kid is at a bad stage right now, I just can't subject my daughter to being hurt.' IT sucks to let the 2.5 year old control your social life, but unfortunately it has to be done sometimes
post #4 of 7
My toddler isn't as aggressive as the toddler you describe, but she does get aggressive when playing some times. I'm always on top of it. I think it's normal, but personally (from the other side of things) I'm always embarrassed when she acts that way. Thankfully its usually not too bad and she is always put in an instant time out until she can play nicely. I also don't mind my friend telling her off if she sees her being mean. I don't know if your friend is ok with that? Typically most of the time my daughter is aggressive I would say it's not on purpose. For instance, she loves to give hugs, but she gives them around the neck and that makes the other kids fall and then she doesn't let go. The first several times this happened the kids laughed so I believe she thinks its a game, but now that she's a bit stronger it hurt the other kids. So I'm trying to teach her to ask before giving hugs and to hug around the waist. I've only seen her be aggressive in what I would call a "mean" way a couple of times. Other aggressiveness I would chalk off as her playing rough, but not meaning to hurt anyone.

I personally encourage my friend to speak up if she sees my daughter being mean or too aggressive. I of course also speak up, but I appreciate it when my friend does as well because then my daughter really gets that it's not ok to behave that way. I always make her say sorry to her friend if she hurts him. If a time out doesn't stop the behavior then I take her home. This hasn't happened yet and so far she only ever needs 1 time out or a reminder to play nicely. My friend's son has always been the low temperment kid who would share and never pushed or acted aggressively, but that's just starting to change. He went to stay with his cousins for a weekend and he's now being a bit rough back. His mom's just like I am and is on top of it.

If my daughter's behavior was as you are describing. I would speak with my friend about it and I'd come to an agreement with her that the minute an aggressive act starts or is acted on then the playdate would stop instantly and her friend would go home (or we would go home if we were at their house). I think since it's to the point you are describing there should be more than just a time out involved. Even as normal toddler behavior it has to be addressed so that the child fully understands its not ok. If my daughter's behavior was like that I would not be offended if my friend told me that she couldn't play with her son if she acted that way. I'd understand. No one wants their kid to hurt another kid.

Edit to add:

I think it also makes a huge differance that the mother is on top of it. I would encourage you to speak with her about it. If she blows it off like it's no big deal then yes I would discountine playdates for awhile, but hopefully it wont be that way.

Lucy had a friend who's mom did absolutely nothing when her child acted violently towards mine. They were around a year old at the time. Because of the mothers attitude about it and because she did nothing to stop it or discourage the behavior, we stopped playdates and the mother and I stopped being friends.
post #5 of 7
As much as it would suck, I wouldn't play with her for a while. You have to protect your kid, yk?
post #6 of 7
If it's better to play in the morning, I'd only play in the morning. I am the one with the aggressive toddler now- it sucks. A lot. I am always right on top of her, but it still sucks when your kid is the one who is not gentle and sweet 100% of the time. She does play better with older, more assertive kids.
post #7 of 7
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Originally Posted by scottishmommy View Post
As much as it would suck, I wouldn't play with her for a while. You have to protect your kid, yk?
We have a "friend" like this. The mother and I go back over 10 years. We do not invite her over for play dates. Period. And, we've not been invited for any in years. Head butting is what put me over the edge. And it wasn't even done to my child.

We have another friend with whom we do have some aggressive interaction. The friend is the aggressor, my child is the tattler. All three of the girls were born in the same year and met before turning 1 and as moms, we're all friends. However, the mom and I of this child share a much more similar view of correcting such behavior. Hence, we've been able to continue play dates with this child. All the girls will or have turned 5 this year. So, we've been dealing with this for a while.
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