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post #1 of 11
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My two boys are 3 and 1. They go to a home based day care that is just the provider and her two children, 4 and 2, and one other little boy who is 4. It was disclosed in the handbook that time out is used as a disciplinary tool. I don't love that, but I was fine with it. Yesterday my 3-year-old said something like, "then I said/did x, and then Ms. S spanked my butt" and I was like, what the F? I grilled him for like 10 minutes about whether this was something that had actually happened to him or whether he was just repeating something he had heard, and he said that it had not happened to him, he was just saying it. So this morning I asked the provider (who I generally like and get along with very well) where he might have heard that word -- it is not one that we use in our home -- and she revealed that she had spanked her own daughter (2yo) a few days ago when my children were in the house. She took her into the bathroom to do it, she said, so my children didn't witness it. She said it is only something she does as a last resort and it is very rare, and of course she would never do it to any child not her own.

After mulling this over for a little while, I am not sure what to do. I am passionately against physical punishment of children, and while it is none of my business what she does to her own kids on her own time, it is my business what my children are exposed to. They have now been exposed to the word and the concept of hitting a child on the bottom as punishment, something I hoped they would not know about at all until they were much older, and even if they didn't see it, they heard it happen and heard the crying afterwards. I feel sick to my stomach just thinking about it. Plus, if he is talking about it two days after the fact, it obviously made a big impression on him, which also makes me sick.

In every other way (except perhaps the tv being on a bit more than I would like), I really like our care provider and think she does a wonderful job every day. My kids get personal attention, a lot of loving guidance, fun activities, educational experiences, nutritious food, and care that is affordable for us. I do not want to look for other care ... but, I'm not sure I can live with the idea that my kids will be exposed to violence against other children. What I would like is for her not to say that word or do that to her children when my children are in the house. That would solve the problem for me. But I'm not sure it's appropriate for me to ask her to do that, or rather, not do that. I will say that her handbook explicitly said that "no child at [name of daycare] will be hit, spanked, belittled, etc." That led me to believe that she did not use physical punishment on her children, at least during day care hours.

What would you do?

ETA: I should note that I do trust that she would not ever hit my children. So this is just about my kids being exposed to that being done to someone else.
post #2 of 11
I would look for a new provider. Even though I know what a hassle that is, and I wouldn't tell her in case I didn't find one...but I would be looking right away.
post #3 of 11
I guess the question is: How comfortable are you with your children seeing/hearing other children being hit? Is it a non-negotiable for you or something you can overlook?
post #4 of 11
That would definitely be a deal breaker for me. Someone taking care of my kids would need to fully believe in non-violent parenting. I belong to a parent co-op sort of preschool & we have a couple of parents who occasionally speak harshly to their kids when they're frustrated (like unnecessarily mean), & my boys (also 3 & 1) get really upset by it. I would hate to think of them having to deal with/process it without me there.

You may feel convinced she would never hit your kids, but do you really think they're convinced? They see other kids being punished that way, certainly it will make them fearful & worried.
post #5 of 11
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Originally Posted by dziwozony View Post
You may feel convinced she would never hit your kids, but do you really think they're convinced? They see other kids being punished that way, certainly it will make them fearful & worried.
Yes, this is my issue (well, one of many). My 3yo was speaking as if it happened to him, though it didn't, which means he considered the possibility that it could happen to him and was thinking about it happening to him. I tried to speak to him about it yesterday afternoon and told him that some mommies and daddies think it is okay to hit as punishment, but that his Mommy and Daddy don't think it is okay, we think it is bad and wrong and we would never ever do that to him. I don't really think he got it.

It may be that financial circumstances will make this decision for us as I am out of work right now, but assuming that wasn't the case ... I really like our provider a lot, I have never had any issues before and I am sad that she thinks it is ever okay to hit her children. Here's the thing, though: there are not a lot of options for care. Out of everything I looked into, her home day care was by far the best care I found and considered myself lucky to have found her. My kids are connected to her and her kids, and continuity and stability is so important for little ones. If I had to take them back to the center they were in before I found her, the overall effect on them would be much worse (being ignored, being around other kids who are a bad influence, no meaningful contact with care providers, no chance to form any deep relationships with care providers). Unfortunately, even though this issue is important to me, I don't think it outweighs the positives of our current situation/negatives of other care options.

I hope that my having shown my very clear disapproval of what happened (I said that "we don't do that and I didn't want [my son] to know what that is" -- no room for ambiguity there on how I feel about the practice) will deter her from doing it in the future when my kids are around. If it is as rare as she says, I expect not to hear about it again from my son. If he reports to me that it happened again, I will have to reevaluate at that point.

Thanks so much for your responses; you have helped me think this through.
post #6 of 11
This happened to me, actually. Luckily the babysitter got another job so I got out of it easily. I wanted to move my kids. I truly believe 100% that she would have never laid a hand on my kids, and I also know that she rarely spanked. But she would mention it occasionally--"You don't want a spanking!" and my daughter picked this up. I was so disturbed, even though I like her. I asked her and she said yes, they spank over the diaper / clothes.

Daycare is hard! And a lot more people spank than I ever would have thought. It sucks to have to make that decision. For me, knowing my kids would see (and have seen) spanking at the park urged me to justify it ("They already know it happens in other families, they also know we don't do it.") At the same time, I didn't want to leave them with someone who hit, because that is an authority figure in their lives.

I have no answers, just letting you know I know exactly how you feel. Their babysitter was great, but from a vastly different culture than we are. It was tough.
post #7 of 11
Does she have a child care license? If she's a licensed home provider, she's likely from using physical punishment for any child during operating hours.
post #8 of 11
nevermind i didnt realize this was an anti spanking forum
post #9 of 11
can you talk to her about it? sometimes parents do spank, even though they don't like it/want to... they reach the end of their ropes and don't have any other tools in their parenting boxes to deal with a situation. most people in our generation were spanked as a matter of course; if it was part of your experience growing up, it can be hard to know how to deal with discipline situations in any other way. since it says in the handbook that there is no physical punishment at daycare, i would simply say to her that you aren't comfortable with your children witnessing spanking (even in another room), and that it made a big and negative impression on them. how she disciplines her children after daycare is obviously her own decision, but you do have a right to ask her not to do something in the presence of your kids that bothers you. so just ask her and see what she says. if she is as nice as you say (and since she already told you this was an extreme situation), i'd be surprised if she's not pretty amenable to your request.

this is also an opportunity for you to start a dialogue with your kids about the differences in parenting styles that they will witness throughout their lives. spanking IS a big deal, but something that they are going to witness/hear about until they are school aged, along with many other parent/child interactions varying from great to terrible. not every terrible interaction they witness is going to scar them for life, and it's impossible to shield them from all of it anyway.

maybe you can find an even better daycare situation, but i think you are right, the old center sounds way worse for their development than this situation.
post #10 of 11
Get your kids outta there!!!!!!!

We have a very observant girl who started a daycare just as she turned 3. It was recommended to us from a friend who has a boy my daughter's age who attends there. He seems to really like it so we were like "Sure, it's reasonable and near by, so let's give it a shot"

We should NEVER have put her in there! She learned the most awful behaviour from one of the caregivers there. She was bringing home aggressive, harsh language and body language that she learned from this lady. She was only there 2 months (we were slow in getting her out because everyone was saying "she'll get used to it" so we stuck it out for a while) but it did irreparable damage to her psyche. She still acts like this b*tchy, aggressive, harsh lady, and she hasn't been there in 6 months.

I can't wait for the last remnants of this person to vanish from my daughter's memory.

We have since found a really nice, kind place for her to go.
post #11 of 11
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just as she turned 3

acts like this b*tchy, aggressive, harsh lady, and she hasn't been there in 6 months.
Well, I have no doubt that you did the right thing removing your child from the care of this woman, BUT!

My child wasn't in pre-school for her early threes (due to a big move) and we saw the exact same evil transformation. Just FYI. It is a HARD age. Very hard.

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it did irreparable damage to her psyche
Kids are resilient. I'm sure your daughter will bounce back from being three and even being exposed to a harsh environment. Freud's theories have not held up under scientific research so rest assured that your child still has a great chance of turning into a wonderful person!
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