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At the brink of pullling DS out of 6-9 program

post #1 of 9
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My DS (6) is currently in his fifth week in a Montessori Grade 1-3 program in a public school, and I am having some serious reservations about what is happening in the classroom. This is fifth year of Montessori education and I feel like we have a good sense of what to expect from a Montessori program (though not necessarily a 6-9 program), and I just don't get a very Montessori vibe from his class.

I am concerned that he is not being encouraged to explore what interests him in the classroom -- he is being told which materials to choose. Each week, his teacher chooses materials that she wants him to work on that week, and puts them on a work plan. He is only supposed to choose materials that are on the work plan.

I am frustrated because DS's teacher, rather than DS, is the one choosing the materials. And my frustration is compounded by the fact that his teacher has been selecting materials that are several grade levels too low for him.

For example, every week he has a long list of spelling list of words that he already knows how to spell. Each week, regardless of whether he knows the spelling words, he is supposed to spell out each spelling word 6 times with the movable alphabet, in addition to practicing writing the words. Forcing him to spell words he already knows strikes me as violating core Montessori principles.

In math, there is an even bigger gap between the materials that he is working on and what he can do. He has finally, in week 5, moved up to doing addition strips, which is an improvement over the bead stair, but is still something he could do three years ago. He is not allowed to choose any of the harder materials in the classroom, because he has to demonstrate mastery of all of these basic materials first. I am despairing of him ever getting up to the multi-digit addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division that I think he is ready for.

As a result of the combination of too-easy work and limited work options, DS gets very bored and frustrated during work time. For awhile, he just chose lacing, tweezing, and SRAs, but his teacher told him he couldn't choose lacing and tweezing anymore, and so the only things he likes now at school are SRAs.

I thought the Montessori classroom was supposed to an enriched environment brimming with enticing work for children to choose -- I never expected the classroom to be such an impoverished environment that my son would have nothing worthwhile to choose.

I did address my concerns about the work not being challenging to DS's teacher, and she replied, "Just wait --- the work will get harder." She also said that as the year goes on she will give him work that is more and more tailored to his individual needs, and that she is following the recommendations of the Montessori pacing guides on how quickly to introduce materials. [What exactly is a Montessori pacing guide? I am confused about that.]

She also said that she can tell that DS is being challenged because he does not finish his work on time. I replied in what I hoped was a positive way that I suspected he wasn't finishing his work because he found it basic and uninteresting, and I provided concrete examples of how he is can work far above the level of the work that he is doing in class. That was a week ago, and she did not reply to me.

In the midst of all of this, I requested a parent-teacher conference, which she agreed to, but then I asked her to reschedule, and she suggested just waiting until after Sept. 15, when she knows DS better. [That was last week, when Sept. 15 was further away].

I am also concerned because I see many things going on in the classroom that strike me as not embodying Montessori principles. For example, we got a letter in the mail asking us to "praise" our children when they memorized an addition fact correctly. There is also a public shaming behavior chart on the wall.

This is getting really long, and I am still leaving out some key details, but my point is that I am so sad that this "Montessori" school is turning out to be a lot like a regular school, where they happen to use Montessori materials and work on rugs on the floor. I am disappointed because I had hoped that my son would be able to work at his own pace, and I thought that, as one of the younger children in a three-grade split, there would be lots of interesting work for him to do. I am frustrated that more-challenging work is right there in the classroom, and other children are doing it, and he's not allowed to do it.

I did end up getting him tested by a psychologist, so today in his backpack I sent along a copy of his achievement test scores (showing how far he's testing above grade level), and another request for a parent-teacher conference.

I am struggling to figure out what my next step is. How long do I wait for a parent-teacher conference? How long do I wait to see if DS's teacher responds to the test scores I gave her by giving him more challenging work? What are the chances that things are going to meaningfully change? It is hard for me to imagine that I can have a significant impact on how Montessori the classroom is. But is there a chance if I just keep waiting and advocating for DS that he will end up doing appropriate work?

I know it has only been a month, but I am impatient with waiting. And I imagine that month has seemed longer to DS than to me. I would like for DS to be able to get settled in the place where he is going to end up, and I am thinking more and more that it is not here.

I guess what I am trying to tease out is, at what point do we decide "We're done trying to make this work?" I am available to homeschool and there are private schools in the area that we could afford (although it would be a sacrifice). I just feel crazy throwing in the towel before we've even had a parent-teacher conference, but that's what I want to do.

Any advice on how to decide how long to keep trying would be appreciated.
post #2 of 9
go in early on monday and see the teacher before school starts. If things aren't on their way to being corrected before class is in session, take your ds home with you. If you need to have him in school for whatever reason, then I would just work as fast as possible at getting him into another school.
post #3 of 9
What was her explanation for selecting the work for your son? I would have a meeting with her ASAP and ask her to explain this, and really be satisfied with what she says. How is she going to get to know your son by forcing him to do these works?!

Can you go up a level, to the principal? Pulling a child and moving to a new school is drastic, and I would do everything else first. But I would be very persistent and not back down.

I like Sapphire Chan's suggestion... but I would make sure I had something lined up. We did and pull and homeschool emergency in 1st grade, and in retrospect, I don't know if it was best for my son.

My kids are at a public Montessori, and it is *nothing* like that, so it is possible to have a Montessori school that is public and truly Montessori.

Best of luck!
post #4 of 9
Thread Starter 
I am working on a backup plan -- my post was just so ridiculously long I didn't delve into detail into it. I have two schools lined up that I could send DS to. One is the language immersion school which my daughter attends. It is not Montessori, but they use a International Baccalaureate curriculum, which, while not Montessori, is at least is inquiry-based. I have a trusted friends who has told me they have done well with accommodating her gifted son. The other is a non-Montessori gifted school. Both are private, and we could afford them, but it would require some sacrifice.

She has not explained why she is picking out his work plan. I know that work plans are mandated schoolwide, but I don't know if it is mandated that the teachers create them for the children. If I don't get some answers before then I will ask on back-to-school night this Wednesday.

Sapphire, going in before school would disrupt our morning schedule [DS rides the bus], but I do think there would be value in trying to drum up conversation at the door at drop-off [since writing notes isn't working] I will try to work that out.

Carmel, I'm glad to hear that you've had a positive public Montessori experience. I do wonder-- there's a Montessori charter school around here, which is totally separate from DS's school. It's extremely unlikely that they still have spots this year, but maybe next year.

I am just disappointed because we did have such an excellent experience with Montessori preschool, with truly exceptional teachers, so I feel like I have seen the magic of Montessori taking place in the classroom.

I feel like I should be trying harder to make this work, but inside I have given up.
post #5 of 9
yes, go when you can, I was using a bit of hyperbole to emphasize just how fast I thought he should be out of that environment. You asked how long you should wait and I don't think any waiting beyond logistical concerns is necessary.

a person who thinks behavior charts is an acceptable practice in a montessori class isn't going to wise up just because she knows the students better (esp since hasn't she had some of them for 2 years already???)
post #6 of 9
Ugh! s I'm right there with you. (Although, I have to say that your ds's classroom sounds more Montessori than my ds's.) But I completely understand your frustration!

Do you have her email or telephone number? You can call or write. Most teachers are required to return their messages within a day. That way, you also have documentation of the contact. If you don't hear from her, I'd contact the principal.

Another person you could talk to is the school psychologist. Explain the testing results with her and see if she can ally with you to help modify the curriculum. She could even help move ds toward the gifted program. Frankly, I thought Montessori could naturally accommodate gifted learners, but I'm gathering in the public schools this isn't necessarily the case.

Lastly, I have been fighting the battles of "if you son isn't finishing the work, then he must not be able to do it" for the past 2 years - even from private Montessoris. My ds has some issues with focus and impulsivity (actually Sensory Processing, we found out!), so people always assume he functions academically lower, even though he is working above grade level. I'm sorry. Try not to make an enemy of the teacher, but fight for what your ds needs.
post #7 of 9
Thread Starter 
Hi Rose-Raget,

Glad to see you here. Over the past few days, I have been reading the archives of Montessori forum, and I have noticed that your posts have reminded me A LOT of what I am dealing with. I am sad to hear that you are still dealing with the kids of issues that were troubling you way back then. Have you made any progress working with the school? And if so, how did you accomplish it?

I do DS's teacher's email address, and I have been emailing and writing her since Day 1, and she mostly does not respond. For example, she did not respond to an email 10 days ago mentioning some of the above-grade-level things my son can do and asking for a parent teacher conference. She did not reply to earlier emails asking about her take on the Montessori philosophy, and letting her know that DS's spelling words were too easy. It has been frustrating to me not to get hear back from her.

As far as not finishing work on time, that's interesting that your son has some sensory processing issues. I'm wondering if mine does, too. When he had him tested with the WISC IV, his processing speed and working memory were 30+ points behind his other scores.

I like the idea of contacting the school psychologist -- I had not thought about that.

I do think that an excellent Montessori classroom can be a place where a gifted child can thrive -- but so many not all teachers have the ability or the energy to adapt enough to accommodate a gifted child.

Sapphire, I know what you mean about the behavior charts and things -- but for all I know, those come from the school district, not from DS's teacher. And I don't know how to avoid those. Every primary school around here that I have visited uses those behavior charts.

Thank you all for your support.
post #8 of 9
Please note that when looking at test results, a lot of folks toss out the processing speed and working memory. They aren't really good indicators of how well one works, etc.
post #9 of 9
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Originally Posted by carmel23 View Post
Please note that when looking at test results, a lot of folks toss out the processing speed and working memory. They aren't really good indicators of how well one works, etc.
Also, with a discrepency of 30+ points, they should take his other scores as the best indicator of his ability. If they factor together, it would give a very low estimate of his ability. However, they may be helpful in the teacher understanding what kind of learner your ds is. He may not be the first to answer or manipulate the concepts mentally right away, but once he has the concept he can run with it!

If you have written the teacher with those comments and requests and she has not responded, I would absolutely write to the principal! You could be nicey about it, "I have some concerns about Ds's learning environment. I wrote to Ms. X and did not hear back. Could I arrange to meet with you as soon as your schedule allows?" The principal will probably put the fire under the teacher's feet, and you should hear back from both of them that day.

I don't want to sound mean - I work in the schools, and I know how unnerving it is to have parents looming over. But these are our kids, and you have every right to make sure his education is appropriate. I would never consider just not returning a message from a parent, and neither should she.

In answer to your question, I haven't settled things yet. We have a meeting in the morning (finally) with the teacher. The thing I feel defeated about is that she would have to change her entire classroom, curriculum, teaching style, and philosophy to approach Montessori, and that's just not realistic. So I will have to give a LOT. But I'm sure it will just look like me being demanding and pushy. By this point in the year, I would really hate to pull ds from that classroom, since he's finally started to learn routines and make some friends. I'm so mad at that principal I could scream!

Good for you for getting testing done! When/if you meet with the school psych, you could give her a copy. Sounds like the teacher may not know what to do with it.

I keep putting off psych testing. I know ds is bright, but I'm not sure how he'd perform on a test. He would definitely need a tester who develops good rapport with children. I'll see if we can work through some of his sensory stuff and see if that helps.

Keep us posted on how everything plays out. Sounds like you've got some decent options if you really feel you need to pull him. (That language immersion/IB school sounds cool - very different learning styles, but cool nonetheless! What language?)
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