You can't un-know what you know - Page 3

[jimblejamble]

I feel the same way, OP, and what I'm doing is, instead of looking at all vaccines and saying "Absolutely not!" or "Give 'em all!", I'm looking at each disease and weighing the risks. I stay at home with my son so he doesn't go to a daycare, he's breastfed, and we eat lots of healthy food, about half of which is organic. Thus for us the rotavirus vaccine isn't necessary. Chickenpox doesn't scare me so I'm not letting Jude get that one either. I also don't see how a baby is going to get Hepatitis B so I skip that one too. However diphtheria and tetanus scare me so I let Jude get the DTaP (delayed). Those are just examples. IMO, and I'm not going to be very popular for saying this, it doesn't have to be so black and white. Consider the risks and benefits from all angles.

[mama1803]

Those truely worried about pertussis should check out the threads regarding the use of sodium ascorbate. There are tons of threads around explaining dosages and its usefulness for treating pertussis.

[FillingMyQuiver]

Originally Posted by JessicaRenee

IMO, and I'm not going to be very popular for saying this, it doesn't have to be so black and white. Consider the risks and benefits from all angles.

Actually, in many states that only offer medical or religious exemptions, it DOES have to be so black and white. If your child is going to attend public school, it's all or nothing in those states, no selectivity.

[amnesiac]

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[Xerxella]

Originally Posted by FillingMyQuiver

Actually, in many states that only offer medical or religious exemptions, it DOES have to be so black and white. If your child is going to attend public school, it's all or nothing in those states, no selectivity.

Of course, as many people know, you can find religion at any point and anywhere.

[FillingMyQuiver]

Originally Posted by Xerxella

Of course, as many people know, you can find religion at any point and anywhere.

Yes, I was just commenting on the PP implying that it selectively vaxing is "easy". Based on her post, she got the DTaP for her son b/c it was something that scares her. If her son enters school in a state w/out a philosophical exemption, she can of course claim she "found religion" and no longer vaxes, but what happens when he needs the DTaP booster? If she gets it, she risks her religious exemption.

[Lady Lilya]

What a lot of people do is simply not give the school the evidence of the vaccines they did. When they give you the forms for the doctor to sign, you don't give the doc the one where they list vaccines. Then when you turn in the forms you include your waiver in the place of that form.

However, now that they are all inputting our vaccine histories into a national database, it won't be long before they start checking up to make sure people aren't doing that.

[3TsMom]

Originally Posted by Dixielane

I never have personally known one hurt either. But what if it were mine? And even if she doesn't react, what if it is altering her immune system later in life as an adult?

This was me, exactly. I was very pro-vax with all 3 of our kids. And then our youngest had a severe vaccine injury. It did happen to us and I can't unknow it either. I used to find comfort in the "reactions are rare"....that only means something if it's not you (proverbial you) though.

I would say educate yourself and above all else, follow your gut instinct.

[PingPong'sMom]

I am still/always researching. So if anyone other than my husband asks, I confidently say, "We are selectively delaying vaccinations." It's the truth. At 2.5 yo, I haven't selected a vaccine to give her and have delayed all of them. So far. When research changes, when circumstances change, when situations arise, when vaccines become more effective/less risk of adverse reactions I may select one. I may not. I may continue to delay. I may decide to begin someday. Because I am selectively delaying vaccinations.

I am not an anti-vacc'r (ducking, as things are thrown at me, words, scorn, disgust and other). I am not a pro-vaccine mommy who doesn't question (ducking too, as things/words/scorn/disgust/delight/relief/hugs are pushed on me.) Horrible, since that title, for me, is a lie. No. I'm a selectively delayer vaccinator.

Good luck mama, with whatever you choose.

[Lady Lilya]

Yeah to Dixie and 3Ts. I've never had a clear vaccine reaction. I got all the usual vaccines (by 1980s standards) TWICE! (My records were missing the DAY of the month that I was vaxed, so the school wouldn't accept the incomplete info and my doc vaxed me again to use that day's date.)

Anyway, while I didn't have a noticeable reaction at the time, I have health issues that could be from the vaccines. Like various skin problems and never-ending sinus congestion.

[covertlycrunchy]

@LadyLiela:
Sorry this is a little OT, but you may want to try an elimination diet. I used to be constantly congested until I eliminated wheat & most dairy. Good Luck!

Also, delaying vaxes for my 2yr old and my 4 yr old (my 4 yr old had most vaxes the 2 yr old hasn't had any). I really wish I could just vax and not worry about it but I was concerned about my first's reaction to her 4/6/8 month series. Then I started researching. The annoying thing is that I also visit a lot of skeptic websites (really recommend the skeptic's guide to the universe btw) and they have NOTHING good to say about non-vaxers. Generally they think any disease outbreak is our fault as are any diseases still in circulation that you can vax for. The California outbreak of pertussis is completely blamed on the non-vaxing community. I also am really angry that I would have to file a religious exemption to get my kids out of vaxing (if still in MD) which would be lying since we are atheists. Can't just say "This isn't for us." And sometimes Science gets it wrong before it gets it right.

Mainly, I don't think that the government should be able to *force* anybody to inject *anything* into their bodies prophylactically.

[Lady Lilya]

Hey there! I already tried an elimination diet. Couldn't find any food that made any difference at all. I was gluten and dairy free for 75 days with no change to anything. After a long time of experimenting with that sort of diet change, I went to a naturopath recently who said that based on his method called Nutritional Response Testing he finds that I don't have any allergies or sensitivities to any of the usual culprits.

[ILoveMyBabyBird]

Originally Posted by covertlycrunchy

@LadyLiela:
I also am really angry that I would have to file a religious exemption to get my kids out of vaxing (if still in MD) which would be lying since we are atheists. Can't just say "This isn't for us." And sometimes Science gets it wrong before it gets it right.

yes , i am now worried because as religion at my midwifes i had the put "none", it's like i feel like i need to be attending some place of worship just so i don't have to give any more vaccines. While I am not an atheist, I don't claim any one faith at the moment, but what i do know is that my 'religion' doesn't agree with injecting toxins into developing infants.

I kind of hate the catch all religious exemption, it seems like it is blanket christian, but i suppose if some hindus knew that there was egg and animal liver cells in some vaccines, they may have a problem with it as well.

I also wonder for above Hindus who don't routinely eat meat/eggs and eggs being pretty allergic and many generations of never eating eggs may increase their chances of allergies to eggs and they wouldn't know of family history of egg allergies.

Yes you can't unknow what you know, ITA

[NaturalBirthGoddes]

I think it's important to find out what someone's definition of "vaccine injury" is. If it's a vegetative state, death or something equally as terrible, then that's one thing. ADHD, ASD, diabetes, learning disorders, etc. are all on the rise. Childhood cancers, SIDS, etc...on the rise.

Some side effects will not be seen for YEARS afterwards. And then how do you tie it to a vaccine? You cannot. Would these children with ADHD have had it anyways without vaccines? Possible, but there is no way of knowing.

So, before anyone tries to reassure you with the whole, "I've never seen a vaccine injured child in 50 years..." line...be sure you have them clarify that.

I've seen several (seizures that stopped once vaxes stopped, a 2 month old infant die within 15 minutes of a vax series, and a child who was "fine" develop autistic-like signs) and I've only been around for 30.

It does happen. Check out the CDC/VAERS website. Those are just the reactions/side effects/deaths that were reported. Even they say it's probably only 10% of the actual number of side effects.

Again, Pertussis vax does not prevent infection or transmission. It's supposed to decrease the severity of it. However, most vaxed individuals will be sick for longer than an unvaxed individual and sodium ascorbate does work very well. My child had 4 friends (all vaxed) who had whopping cough (and exposed her) and the worst she got was a runny nose and felt "tired" for 2 days and then it was business as usual (I did not use SA because we didn't know about the WC until afterwards). Just because your child is unvaxed does NOT mean that he/she will catch anything. A lot of the ingredients in these vaxes are immunosuppressants.

I also think it is funny that parents are told not to give peanut products to babies...yet some of the vaxes have peanut oil as an adjuvent (sp??). Of course, this came out in a study and is not labled on the insert.

HiB was touted as the "best vaccine" because it actually reduced the number of meningitis infections caused by Streptococcus pneumoniae. Everyone cheered and thought meningitis would be over. However, a study done in MA showed that with the decrease of Sp meningitis, there was an increase of meningitis caused by strains that were much more virulent and not as easily treated. So, is this vaccine really worth it? Remove the infection rate to a much lesser threat, only to make way for a bigger, not as easily treatable threat?

I didn't think so and so I will not vax my children for any of it. I'm not afraid of germs. I do not believe that germs/bacteria/etc. are bad. I do believe that in order to maintain health, those things are needed, but if you have a strong, healthy immune system, you don't worry so much about the diseases.

You have to do what is best for you. Just be sure that the information you are getting is correct. If you are not comfy with vaxing just yet...don't. Don't do it until you feel comfortable with it. Otherwise, you are going to find yourself questioning the decision (as you are now with not vaxing) for years to come.