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8yo making poor decisions

post #1 of 7
Thread Starter 
Any advice for dealing with an 8.5yo who is making some bad choices? I'm having a hard time seeing good solutions, likely because I'm in the thick of it...

A couple of examples:

- Telling DH that I said they could watch a particular DVD, then telling me that DH said they could watch it (he didn't ask either of us).

- In a childcare situation at church, deciding to walk out with friends to play in the halls with no adult supervision. The friends were NOT in childcare but came to say hi (they'd all been in a rehearsal together, then my boys were moved to childcare while I finished up a class), so while they weren't necessarily where THEY weren't supposed to be, DS knows full well that he doesn't leave a class without an adult.

- Other not-so-blatant possible issues with honesty, such as his brother seeing him drinking the brother's smoothie and DS then disavowing it. (The cups were different colors so DS was obviously doing *something* with it, but he was less than forthcoming about what it was and it really upset DS2.)

- Bad attitudes, sometimes taking them out on his little brothers (being rude, taking toys away from them) and sometimes just being more or less obnoxious to DH and me.

- Stretching the truth, such as being told to play his piano lessons, then playing two times and getting up instead of playing the 5-10 times he's been told to play. He then assures us he's played, but when pressed will go finish.


I do know that at some points DS is just tired. He's 8.5 but can and will nap daily if given the opportunity. For instance, he threw a huge fit one day about his piano practice and stormed off to his room. I didn't hear from him for a while and he was asleep by the time I checked on him. He slept for 2-3 hours and completely missed his lesson that afternoon, but was in a MUCH better frame of mind when he woke up. He even did his practice without complaining!

When I am certain that he's tired, I'll send him to bed and that will usually solve it. He will even report when he wakes up that he feels better and that the nap was a really good thing. Just a totally different kid! But things like lying and going against obvious and clear, lifelong rules seems not so much a thing of fatigue.

Any hints or tips on good consequences for these? If there's anything I want for my kids, it's for them to gain wisdom... And as much of a perfectionist as I am, I probably feel like he should have more already! But I need ways to guide him into that wisdom in these instances, and in the moment, I rarely feel like I have a good grasp on how to do that.
post #2 of 7
Do you read books together? I'm sure there are some good ones about the importance of honesty or consequences for being truthful/dishonest.
post #3 of 7
It sounds like a psychological growth spurt to me. I would sit down and think hard about where you can give him some new responsibility in caring for himself, where he has to make decisions.
Trust him to make some decisions.
Then sit down with him and let him know you see he is getting older and he needs some opportunities to make his own choices. Have your list ready of things that he could now be responsible for deciding and ask him his opinion. make an agreement and have him sign it, or just let him to know what you expect of him.
He is pushing against feeling controlled from what I can see. If he feels you don't trust him, he won't behave with trustworthiness. He needs to re-see what you expect and that you have confidence in him to meet your expectations.
I just went through this with my 81/2 yo too, and from my mama friends, I guess this is a normal phase.
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also, maybe set his bedtime a half hour earlier for awhile too, I just read some amazing stuff on sleep and even 15 minutes can make a huge difference.
post #4 of 7
If he is tired often, how long does he sleep at night? 8 was a rough age in my house for both my daughters with some of the issues you described. They do pass luckily
post #5 of 7
he is doing great. as someone pointed out he is doing typical 8 year old stuff.

7-8 is the growth of conciousness.

and he is stretching it to suit his needs. which i think is rather great.

what he needs to understand is WHY you have the rules.

the first one. telling about movies. that is so typical. dont you remember doing the same thing? i remember my dad joking and wagging his finger at us and uh huhing us saying we cant get away so easy.

he hates doing his piano lessons. if you give him the chance to truly express what he is feeling he will do that.

the church thing. he needs to understand why. i mean looking back you can see a hundred years ago this would not be a problem. so if he understands - he can use his conciousness to make the right decision. right now he is using his consc. to make a bad decision.

also has he just started school in the last two 3 weeks? mine has and all across the board most of dd's classmates are having issues because they are tired and are trying to get used to the school schedule. i would imagine they'll take till oct to settle in.

so i agree with harrietsmama. it IS a growth spurt.

it is a good time to review your own parenting and move from action to words. words are becoming bigger and bigger parenting tool for me. just sitting and talking man to man - human to human - not necessarily thru books.
post #6 of 7
Well the lying isn't because he is tired LOL. I'd absolutely call him on it when I know he isn't being truthful, but do it in a matter of fact way not with an attitude of accusation. I'd also confirm with the other person if he tells you something, IE he tells you dh said he could watch a dvd, I'd ask dh right then in front of him. If he wants to be believed then he needs to tell the truth. At this point he hasn't earned the trust to be believed due to his behavior.
post #7 of 7
Thread Starter 
I really appreciate the input. Hearing from various sources that it could be typical "growing pains" at this age is reassuring.

He is homeschooled so our schedule has had no dramatic changes to contribute fatigue to. Some days he does really well and others are just really, really rough. Some days I think maybe he has TOO much responsibility and then others I realize there are things I just can't entrust to him at this point.

I'm sure this will be much easier when numbers 2-4 get to this point! Being the first time through is rough.
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