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post #21 of 29
I think I might not be able to refrain from telling the doctor, "Were you absent the day they taught nutrition in med school?" Yeah. No way cow milk is better for your kid than your milk. Give me a break.
post #22 of 29
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Thanks SOOOO much Mamas, for such great info and advice. I think I need to move to yet ANOTHER ped. I'm going to put together a letter to the practice to inform them about the errors of their recommendations to do with ending BFing and replacing with cow's milk. They already have my file "noted" as I've stopped vaxing for the time being too.

I'm stunned by this doctor and wish I'd had my ducks in a row at the appt yesterday, enough to tell him exactly why BFing is best for my baby--for ALL babies past age 1.

Anyway ... thanks again. I knew you guys would be able to feel confident in my belief and choice to BF.
post #23 of 29
If your child just was sick it would be totally normal to drop on the charts even a mild cold can do that!

DD was underweight, and we had a lot of trouble with her weight early on, which made us really worried specifically about weight. However, when she was just over 18 months old she had a cold and we took her to the Dr for a rash, Dr weighed her, and she had LOST weight. I nearly panicked, but the doctor told me this:

1. Between age 1 and 2 many children stop growing for a while, or even lose weight, after they become more physically active, they see it ALL the time.

AND

2. After even a mild illness a child may lose weight.

In the case of 1., it can take a while, but all of a sudden the child will usually go through a growth spurt. It is also very common that they might stand still in weight while having a growth spurt in height.

In the case of 2., you'd expect the child to be "back on track" within a month of two.

Remember, toddlers rarely starve, so the actual concern with weight dropping off (and not catching up) should be that something is wrong, and tests should be done. Cow's milk wouldn't help anyway. I thought that was an unusually bad suggestion, as filling up on COW'S MILK is common problem with toddlers without much of an appetite.

http://www.kellymom.com/bf/bfextended/ebf-benefits.html

This page has loads of good info about extended breastfeeding:

Quote:
"Human milk expressed by mothers who have been lactating for >1 year has significantly increased fat and energy contents, compared with milk expressed by women who have been lactating for shorter periods. During prolonged lactation, the fat energy contribution of breast milk to the infant diet might be significant."
-- Mandel 2005

* "Breast milk continues to provide substantial amounts of key nutrients well beyond the first year of life, especially protein, fat, and most vitamins."
-- Dewey 2001

* In the second year (12-23 months), 448 mL of breastmilk provides:
o 29% of energy requirements
o 43% of protein requirements
o 36% of calcium requirements
o 75% of vitamin A requirements
o 76% of folate requirements
o 94% of vitamin B12 requirements
o 60% of vitamin C requirements
-- Dewey 2001

* It's not uncommon for weaning to be recommended for toddlers who are eating few solids. However, this recommendation is not supported by research. According to Sally Kneidel in "Nursing Beyond One Year" (New Beginnings, Vol. 6 No. 4, July-August 1990, pp. 99-103.):

Some doctors may feel that nursing will interfere with a child's appetite for other foods. Yet there has been no documentation that nursing children are more likely than weaned children to refuse supplementary foods. In fact, most researchers in Third World countries, where a malnourished toddler's appetite may be of critical importance, recommend continued nursing for even the severely malnourished (Briend et al, 1988; Rhode, 1988; Shattock and Stephens, 1975; Whitehead, 1985). Most suggest helping the malnourished older nursing child not by weaning but by supplementing the mother's diet to improve the nutritional quality of her milk (Ahn and MacLean. 1980; Jelliffe and Jelliffe, 1978) and by offering the child more varied and more palatable foods to improve his or her appetite (Rohde, 1988; Tangermann, 1988; Underwood, 1985).
All of this is copied from Kellymom.

Hope this helps!
post #24 of 29
Luckily we had Msupportive doc when we were at the height of our weight concerns with DD. We kept nursing and just got creative about making sure whatever solids we could convince her to eat were high in protein and fat. We discovered she loves sour cream. I started putting lots of butter on things. Stuff like that. She is still thin, but at least to the moment we are little less worried.
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post #25 of 29
Hey there, I haven't read the other responses b/c I am pressed for time so sorry if I repeat what others have said. Keep nursing if that is what you and your want. there isn't really any downside if you are both happy with it. If he is also on solids, make sure he is getting enough fat (avocados, olive oil, etc). Also if he has recently developed a bunch of motor skills then he may be burning more and his body needs to catch up or he needs more calorie dense food. Sometimes kids plateau as well and after 1 year teh weight gain slows down any way. If you think that he is developing normally otherwise, just keep an eye on the situation and try to up his fat intake.

I also wanted to add that my dd2 has a dairy intolerance that caused her not to gain weight when she was younger (3 months old to 6 months old) It doesn't mean its the case for your lo, just something to look out for. I had no idea that could be a symptom.

Good luck mama!
post #26 of 29
My kids both slowed WAY down in growth at a year. It started when they began crawling, and they just kept on burning calories.

I agree with getting additional calories into him, since the doc is worried about weight gain. Yogurt is good, and can be made into an easy-to-drink smoothie by adding milk or juice. Also trust yourself about whether or not your baby is thriving.

My EBF daughter went down from like 75 percentiles to 25. Since she was then consistently 25, the docs agreed that it was her new normal.

The nurses asked me if she was on "whole milk". I said yes, because (duh!) she had been on whole milk since day one!!

Whole human milk is obviously better for a human baby, than whole cow milk. It is just laughingly ridiculous that the docs would advise otherwise. It is just bizarre and doesn't make any sense!!

Basically, I don't use the doctor for parenting advice. Nursing, CIO'ing, etc. are parenting decisions. I leave the doc out of the loop on what I am doing on those things. I keep the conversation to the relevant healthcare issue.
post #27 of 29
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Thanks SOOOO much Mamas, for such great info and advice. I think I need to move to yet ANOTHER ped. I'm going to put together a letter to the practice to inform them about the errors of their recommendations to do with ending BFing and replacing with cow's milk. They already have my file "noted" as I've stopped vaxing for the time being too.

I'm stunned by this doctor and wish I'd had my ducks in a row at the appt yesterday, enough to tell him exactly why BFing is best for my baby--for ALL babies past age 1.

Anyway ... thanks again. I knew you guys would be able to feel confident in my belief and choice to BF.
Good luck mama. But like I said above, this inaccurate thinking is very prevalent in mainstream America. Sometimes you have to choose your battles. Your letter won't even phase them. If you like them otherwise, just omit/lie about breastfeeding, and use them for illness issues. Use your own research about breastfeeding issues, and breastfeeding during illness.

In today's healthcare, you have to read, research, and be completely informed about everything yourself. You have to take charge of your own healthcare. Even with the good docs!!

I feel no guilt about lying/omitting because it is a safety issue for me. Plus, if they are ok lying to me, or posing their opinion as fact, then I should be able to too! I am an educated woman, and totally confident in my ability to make my own informed decisions. Remember, doctors may think they are all-knowing Gods, but they are only humans. They are also swayed by their own experiences.
post #28 of 29
Hey, you already got a lot of great advice from everyone else, but I thought there was one important thing that wasn't addressed... your DH.

I would find it very difficult if my DH wasn't supportive of my nursing relationships with my kids.. I was wondering if your DH's doubts were simply caused by what your doctor just told you? By showing him solid research and helping him to understand things like the fact that breastmilk has more calories than cow's milk, not to mention that it is raw and formulated specifically for your child's body to digest and use, is he / will he be back to supportive of your nursing? (I'm assuming he was supportive in the first place?)

I really cannot fathom how anyone, especially doctors, could possibly think that another animals milk intended for their own baby should be better for your baby than your own milk that your body provides for your baby! Seriously! Without scientific proof, without research to back it up, without "experts" to prove you right, doesn't it simply make sense!?!? A cow has 4 digestive compartments in her stomach, your baby has one. A cow has an entirely different diet than humans, indeed, a diet that a human could not survive on. So.. why should her cow milk be better for your baby than human milk?
post #29 of 29
I'm amazed at the difference in attitudes of drs, I shouldn't be they're only human. My ds is 12mo, and is 20%tile for weight and 5th for height - he's down from what %tiles he was at his 9 month visit. he didn't gain any weight from 10-12 months and is increasingly mobile (walking and climbing now). our doc didn't say anything about the lack of weight gain or the drop in %tiles. they did ask if he was on whole cow milk yet and I told them no, asked if he was on formula (no) and were happy when I said he was still nursing and the only milk he gets is human. I guess I should be thankful that we have a laid back ped who doesn't dole out bad advice (parenting or otherwise), the more I read here the more grateful I am.

IMO it is not a big deal that your son didn't gain weight - it doesn't seem like anything to freak out about unless he is showing other signs that he isn't doing well. if he's active, alert and meeting mile stones I'd say he's ok. like everyone else said, your milk is better than cow milk. you're doing fine!

I hope you can find a ped that better suits your needs.
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