Unvaccinated child regressing into autism?

[CBall]

Hi everyone!

There's a another study that's all over the internet about how vaccines are totally safe etc. etc. I don't really buy that. And in all of the pro-vaccine research I've read I've never had one question answered. I've read about how the amish don't have autism. And I'd just like to start an informal poll. Does anybody here have an unvaccinated child that regressed into autism? How about a selectively vaccinated child who regressed?

[Thing1Thing2]

I came here for the very same reason. I have chosen not to vaccinate my son because the risks outweigh the benefits for us.

I have seen the articles, that you are speaking of but no where in the article does it say that autism related to *vaccines* has been disproven. They do say that autism related to *thimerasol* has been disproven.

That says nothing about the other ingredients, or the amounts of chemicals being injected into the bloodstream of an infant or toddler.

So if this research is true, then the thimerasol is not a factor in a childs development of autism.

I know countless stories of children who have become severely ill and autistic within a few days of receiving the vaccines. So, to me, this article means absolutely nothing.

[Emmeline II]

It may be that they symptoms of Autism are triggered by environmental toxins in susceptible individuals and vaccinations are an environmental trigger.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephe..._b_696179.html

I've read recently that though the rate of vaccination among the Amish is lower than the general population (70% vs 86%, I think), they do vaccinate, though it is less common in past generations.

[caned & able]

There is autism in the Amish communities; however those children who are identified as autistic are adopted from the outside world, and receive vaccines as part of the adoption process.

This is from the Olmstead article.

[Multimomma]

I have two that were vaccinated with autism, and two that were not vaccinated, with autism. I also have four with no signs of delays or other neurodisorders.

[MountainMamaGC]

I think that there is more than vaccines that trigger autism. Just like smoking is not the only trigger for lung cancer.

Also there are other known neurotoxins in vaccines and they havent been eliminated as a risk for autism. Aluminum for example.

I read an interesting theory about pitocin being responsible for autism somewhere on here. Pitocin use has exploded over the last 20-30 years.

[muldey]

Ds was only vaxed with one hep b and he's autistic.He's also had open heart surgery and spent some time on the heart and lung machine so that could be the cause,or it's just genetic.My dad has a lot of aspergers traits so that could be it.We'll probably never know.

[heathergirl67]

Originally Posted by Lydiah

I think that there is more than vaccines that trigger autism. Just like smoking is not the only trigger for lung cancer.

Also there are other known neurotoxins in vaccines and they havent been eliminated as a risk for autism. Aluminum for example.

I read an interesting theory about pitocin being responsible for autism somewhere on here. Pitocin use has exploded over the last 20-30 years.

There's new research that shows that autistic people who use pitocin as a treatment have great results. It releases oxytocin, which makes them more willing/able to socialize.

Autism is showing, more and more, to have a significant genetic factor. Researchers say that it begins at the beginning of the second trimester. Which is not to say that environmental factors don't play a part.

Very interesting stuff:
http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/200...runc_sys.shtml

[caned & able]

Pitocin is artificial oxytocin.

Oxytocin is a hormone released by the pituitary gland in conjunction with the placenta; it is a vascular constrictor.

It can raise blood pressure.

[lach]

1) Many Amish vaccinate. While rates are lower than for the general population, they're still pretty high in many sects.
2) The myth that the Amish don't have autism was written about in a single article based entirely on anecdotal evidence. While there is no official count about the Autism rate in the Amish community, there is no reliable information whatsoever that rates of Autism are any different than for the non-Amish population. There are specific children who show signs of Autism who have been written about in peer-reviewed journals, though. These articles are usually related to point #3 below, and not specifically about the child's Autistic behaviors.
3) Due to several hundred years of inbreeding, the Amish have huge, HUGE problems with very severe genetic disorders and various inbreeding-related issues. There are no reliable studies that compare the Amish population to the general population about any health related issues because there are far too many genetic anomalies among the Amish that just can't be compared to the general US population. Related to this, yearning for the good health of the Amish is somewhat misguided.

But, yes. There are many parents here on MDC who did not vaccinate and have children with Autism.

[MountainMamaGC]

The article I refer to was written by one of the experts here names Dr Odent. I will see if I can dig it up.

[MountainMamaGC]

So basically it says that pitocin can desensitize the babys oxytocin sensors. Which makes sense why pitocin would treat autism later on in life, because the child would need larger amounts to get benefit from it, having been desensitized. Right now this research is very new and is just a theory so far.

http://birthfaith.org/pitocin/pitocins-untold-impact

Even this article acknowledges both the link that pitocin helps autistic children, but may also cause problems when the newborn is exposed during birth.
http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/disp...le/10168/57071

[MountainMamaGC]

Originally Posted by caned & able

Pitocin is artificial oxytocin.

Oxytocin is a hormone released by the pituitary gland in conjunction with the placenta; it is a vascular constrictor.

It can raise blood pressure.

Oxytocin is also the love and bonding hormone. It has significant activity in the brain. Autistic children can have a hard time forming bonds and showing love.

[caned & able]

Like all drugs, it is obvious to me that pitocin is over used and abused in L & D, causing some children now to live out a life wherein forming bonds is problematic, requiring more drug intervention.

Labor and Delivery have been scheduled and augmented since the 1960s. Some of us have grandparents born then. How long can this go on?

[heathergirl67]

Originally Posted by caned & able

Pitocin is artificial oxytocin.

Oxytocin is a hormone released by the pituitary gland in conjunction with the placenta; it is a vascular constrictor.

It can raise blood pressure.

Are you saying that you don't think it would be a good idea to use it as a treatment?

[caned & able]

NO. You are jumping to conclusions. That is not what I said. You missed my point, again.

It is called cynicism.

If pitocin is truly useful for autism, then using pitocin for a child who has autism is a treatment for an intervention that was most probably done without medical indication in the first place.

I am saying that it is a tragedy that should not have happened in the first place. Allopathy creates its own pool of professional patients, people who are made dependant on its products and services for life. So sad.

The drug company that makes pitocin now has another large pool of customers, and the drug company produced that need.

[Multimomma]

Originally Posted by caned & able

NO. You are jumping to conclusions. That is not what I said. You missed my point, again.

It is called cynicism.

If pitocin is truly useful for autism, then using pitocin for a child who has autism is a treatment for an intervention that was most probably done without medical indication in the first place.

I am saying that it is a tragedy that should not have happened in the first place. Allopathy creates its own pool of professional patients, people who are made dependant on its products and services for life. So sad.

The drug company that makes pitocin now has another large pool of customers, and the drug company produced that need.

So, what are you saying? That even if pit did help, it doesn't matter because it hasn't previously been used for autism?

[Multimomma]

Originally Posted by caned & able

Like all drugs, it is obvious to me that pitocin is over used and abused in L & D, causing some children now to live out a life wherein forming bonds is problematic, requiring more drug intervention.

Labor and Delivery have been scheduled and augmented since the 1960s. Some of us have grandparents born then. How long can this go on?

This reads as saying that the use of pit causes autism. Is that what you meant to say?

[MountainMamaGC]

Originally Posted by Multimomma

This reads as saying that the use of pit causes autism. Is that what you meant to say?

Thats what I am saying. The use of pit during birth is possibly creating autistic patients that need pit later in life because they were desensitized to the effects of oxytocin when pit was used during their birth.

[Lollybrat]

Originally Posted by Lydiah

Thats what I am saying. The use of pit during birth is possibly creating autistic patients that need pit later in life because they were desensitized to the effects of oxytocin when pit was used during their birth.

IF there is a connection between pitocin and autism, it's still not possible at this point to know which is the cause and which is the effct. Does the use of pitocin during labor raise the child's risk of autism? Or is the mother of an autistic fetus more likely to require pitocin? This is an area that needs more study.

OP: Are you asking only about regressive autism in children who are unvaxed or are you interested in congenital autism as well? There are a few unvaxed kids in our autism group, but most of them have congential autism. Actually, most of the kids in our autism group have congential autism whether they were vaxed or not. However, I know there is one unvaxed child in our group who has regressive autism due to a herpes encephalitis infection in infancy.