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post #1 of 7
Thread Starter 
I'm starting to be at the end of my rope with my son.

He's always been hyper and extra-sensitive. I 'knew' for years that he was ADHD and SPD without getting a formal diagnosis. With increasing frustrations with his behaviours, we finally got a full assessment this past spring, and she confirmed ADHD and Asperger's. I just read on another thread (about Aspies on tv lol) someone described the main signs of Asperger's as "rigid behaviors, social skills deficits, and sensory issues" and yep that's my boy!

This summer we started him on Concerta, which really did help with his focus and self-control, but he was starting to get tics and twitches, so we've switched to Adderall, still working on finding the ideal dosage. We definitely notice the difference on days when he doesn't take it (we intend for him to take it every day, but occasionally we've forgotten to send them with him when he goes to his dad's for the weekend, for instance), he's bouncing off the walls and just... not "present".

Anyway, the thing we need help with right now is more about his emotional problems. Today he was just so cranky and whiny all day. I'm trying to "lay down the law" and just say "we can have this conversation when you can speak to me respectfully" but he just responds with more whiiiining and sobbing and making excuses. He insists he can't control it, or that this IS his normal voice, or that it's all *my* fault, etc.

At one point today, he called me from across the house using our phones as an intercom (love this feature lol)... he immediately started whiiiining again, I told him again that we could not have this conversation like that, gave him a chance, he kept whiiiiiining, so I said "I'm hanging up now" and hung up the phone.

He sat downstairs still holding the phone saying "mom? .... mom? .... mom? .... mom? .... mom? ...." for TWENTY MINUTES at least. Just this tiny quiet little mouse voice. He got "stuck", you might say. At one point I even went downstairs to get something, walked right past him, twice, he turned away from me so that he could keep saying "mom? mom? mom?" into the phone, as though he didn't notice me.

After at least 20 minutes of that, he started whimpering, then went to his room, and sobbed for over an hour.

Now someone might read this and think "well of course he was distraught because his beloved parent was ignoring him", but that's only because I can't really express in writing all that was going on that day. He really had *no* reason to be *THAT* upset. Yes, I was expecting him to pull himself together and talk to me with respect -- often he is able to do that. Eventually. I don't think there was anything unreasonable about my expectations for his behaviour. But when he gets 'stuck' on something, he absolutely MUST be right and will NOT fold or compromise or just be NICE about something, even if it means falling into a screaming 2-hour tantrum rather than just do a simple, simple thing that was asked of him.

Maybe it was unreasonable of me to expect certain things in light of his conditions? Maybe. But even if that's the case, it doesn't help my mood on days like this, because I just think "why do I have to put up with this? I don't know how to parent this child. The things I do would be MORE than sufficient for most children. I try so hard, so very very hard to do things right for him, meet his needs, and still this is what I get. Why does he have to be like this?"

Most of this evening, he was alright. We spend the evening at grandma's with his cousins, he was playing and laughing and having fun. When it was close to time to leave, at this point about 9:30pm, he got it into his head that we were stopping at Walmart on the way home. He had it all planned out to the last detail. Um, no? First of all, Walmart is closed, second of all, it's past bedtime for both him and his little sister.

Well, that set him off again. First, he's insisting that it's an all-night Walmart. He's saying we'll see when we drive by it on the way home. He says we HAAAAVE to go there tonight, we just HAAAAAAAVE to. He says, incredibly, that I said we could. (I said we could go to get ping pong balls using his birthday gift card, I did NOT say we were going tonight.) Okay, so he's upset that his plans were changed, but he was disproportionately upset.

In the car, he's fighting with his sister. She's 3. She says silly things. He's constantly correcting her, trying to tell her the 'right' way to do things or the 'truth' about how things really are. I'm constantly telling him, she's THREE, let her have her fantasies, you're wasting your breath arguing with her. But he HAS to show that he's right, he refuses to back down and just let her be silly, which is SO full of irony because he himself is the WORST for saying silly and ridiculous things and refusing to accept reality!

We're telling him to drop it, to leave her alone, and finally that we're hoping she'll sleep in the car, just stop!!!!! And he starts whimpering again. We get home and he gets to bed and starts SOBBING again.

Here's where it gets really hard for me. I don't know if he's sincere or not.

He has a history of exaggerating, of making himself look blameless. He won't take responsibility for anything -- if he bumped something off the table, it jumped off, he never touched it. Everything is someone else's fault. He's sobbing, body wracked with short breaths, the kind of sobbing you'd expect from someone whose whole family had just died, not just from being told to let your sister go to sleep.

Instead, he's going on about how nobody listens to him, how he can't control crying like this, how he doesn't like feeling like this, how his own self won't listen to him when he tells himself to stop, how he'd rather die than feel this bad, how he can't help it. And I can't help but think "he's acting, he's exaggerating a small bad mood into this huge production and he's saying he can't control it in order to evade responsibility for it."

And I feel guilty, because maybe he really is hurting so deeply.

And in either case, I've no idea how to help him.

Either I've got a kid who is thoroughly depressed and unable to control the slightest emotional problem. Or I have a kid who is so thoroughly manipulative and evasive of responsibility. In either way, I'm just left frustrated and helpless.

I ended up hugging him until he finally stopped sobbing and fell asleep.

I should say... if you've managed to read thus far, thank you... not EVERY day is like this!!! Our ratio of good days to bad days has improved as he has grown and matured, as we have found routines and habits etc that work for us, and the meds have definitely helped too. A few years ago, his tantrums would not have been just wailing and crying, they also included kicking and flailing and breaking things.

But on the bad days, like today... it's just horrible. And I don't know how to help him.

Thanks for letting me vent. If anyone has any useful advice, I'm all years, but I think mostly I just needed a sympathetic audience...
post #2 of 7
I couldn't read and not say something.
Big hugs to you.


Have to run now, but I'll post later.
post #3 of 7
Is he in talk therapy?

Adolescence is rough on most kids, but for kids with special needs it's h*ll. The good news is that this will get easier eventually. My DD is about to turn 14 and things are just sooooo much easier for her now than when she was 12-13. I think the storm for her lasted about a year and a half.

Anyway, a therapist who specialised in adolescents was a wonderful thing for her (and for me as a parent). Cognitive behavoiral therapy is a good thing!! We also made full use of the social worker at school. She also went through a social skills class at a center for autism, and it helped a lot with day to day issues.

I really like the book Take Control of Aspergers Syndrome by Price. It's written for TEENS, not moms, which makes it different than a lot of books out there.

<<<And I feel guilty, because maybe he really is hurting so deeply.

And in either case, I've no idea how to help him.>>>



I totally get this. The guilt, the feeling of helplessness. I finally enlisted lots of specialist because I had no idea how to help my DD, either. One of the things I learned is that depression and anxiety are completely normal for kids with these kinds of dx's during the adolescent years.

I hope you guys have a good day today!
post #4 of 7
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Thanks, Linda. That's helpful.

He's not currently getting any therapy. We got the assessment, through a psych practice that specializes in autism spectrum disorders, in the hopes that he'd get some good therapy out of it. The assessment was thorough, he enjoyed it, we got a lot of good information out of it. Then it was over. They didn't suggest or recommend any therapy, just told me to help him learn some social skills by focussing on one thing at a time.

I have *no* idea how to do this lol... I almost cried when she was telling me this. She said positive reinforcement, etc, but I'm just not getting how to do it. I think I have social issues myself, so I'm hardly the best teacher. She said "we're here to help if you need it", but that's more $$$... we had the first $1000 of the assessment covered, but now we're on our own.

There is a local autism centre with a lending library that she recommended and I've been intending to join. I'll definitely look for that book for teens, that sounds great. He's also read some "how to survive with ADHD" kind of books written for kids and he found them helpful -- not that he remembers to apply what he learns from them very often. He also read "What to do when you Grumble Too Much", or something like that, a workbook we went through together on dealing with anger, frustrations, etc. Maybe we should skim through it again to remind him of the coping techniques in there.

He's not getting any help at school because he's homeschooled and always has been. I really should get involved with that autism center, shouldn't I?

The psychologist also recommended an OT to help with his sensory issues. This was great news to me because I have been LOOKING for this for YEARS now, but apparently SPD is not considered a "real" disorder yet in Canada... we got partway through the intake of what seemed like a great program a few years ago, being assured that yes indeed they will certainly do treatments for SPD (I was in tears of joy), then in one phone call we got 1) waiting list of at least 2 months and we were moving away at that time, 2) homeschool? don't you still have to report to somebody? how is he 9 years old and you haven't looked into getting him help before? why hasn't someone reported him before? shouldn't he be in school? I don't understand? and 3) no, we don't recognize SPD, sorry.

Then moving here I was looking for an OT but they're not in the yellow pages, I just didn't know how to find them. So I was really happy to get this referral -- then I lost the business card. I need to get the info again sigh... but I'm also concerned about the $$$... I doubt this would be covered either.

We got the assessment done just like you said, to get specialist help because I didn't know what to do on my own anymore, but it feels like I'm still floundering with only nebulous help around me instead of something concrete.

Today is, so far, a better day. I just wish I knew what sets him off! I don't know if it's just an adolescence thing, because he has ALWAYS been like this and in fact it's generally getting better. But I, too, am hopeful that as he comes out "the other side" of adolescence he'll be much... happier.
post #5 of 7
Ds is 6yo and he does a lot of things your son does (getting "stuck," things are "NOT FAIR" or "YOUR FAULT," that he NEVER gets to do what he wants; and sometimes not letting his 4yo sister be silly) on a 6yo level though he has gotten better on Concerta.

He has his first real CBT appointment today.
post #6 of 7
Crashing in here from the New Posts link to add,

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In the car, he's fighting with his sister. She's 3. She says silly things. He's constantly correcting her, trying to tell her the 'right' way to do things or the 'truth' about how things really are. I'm constantly telling him, she's THREE, let her have her fantasies, you're wasting your breath arguing with her. But he HAS to show that he's right, he refuses to back down and just let her be silly, which is SO full of irony because he himself is the WORST for saying silly and ridiculous things and refusing to accept reality!
This isn't particularly a Special Needs phenom, it's a sibling thing, at least in my experience with my two kids, and anecdotal conversations with my mom friends. Oh my word, the correcting that comes from my eldest directed at my youngest. The hypocrisy! It's jaw-dropping and laughable. And irritating.

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. The assessment was thorough, he enjoyed it, we got a lot of good information out of it. Then it was over. They didn't suggest or recommend any therapy, just told me to help him learn some social skills by focussing on one thing at a time.

I have *no* idea how to do this lol... I almost cried when she was telling me this. She said positive reinforcement, etc, but I'm just not getting how to do it. I think I have social issues myself, so I'm hardly the best teacher.
I completely identify with this.

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how is he 9 years old and you haven't looked into getting him help before?
Seriously?? I'm sorry you got this. Isn't nine y.o. a typical age to be getting some first time help? Ugh.
post #7 of 7
A couple of quick thoughts. I think that contacting the autism resource center is a good idea. A social skills group might really help him too. And I second the recommendation for some counseling. My nephew has Asperger Syndrome (very mildly, IMO), and counseling has really helped his anxiety and rigidness. (And just FYI, age 8 is the average age for AS being diagnosed, so I'd say you were right on track!)

In terms of him being able to calm himself down -- he may not be able to do this very well by himself yet. He's got ADHD and SPD, plus signs of Aspergers. ADHD and SPD are "disorders of self regulation". In other words, it's extremely hard for him to regulate himself. Kids with these diagnoses rely on their parents for help in regulation much longer than kids who are typically developing.

What I don't know (and maybe someone here who's more experienced with these diagnoses can help) is how to help him learn these skills and what kind of support from you is best. Is it sitting with him? Is it checking in on him every few minutes? Is it helping him learn some deep breathing? Is it setting up a cooling down spot?
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