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post #21 of 66
I have two main issues:
The first is all the weird/toxic ingredients... many of which are known nuerotoxins and/or carcinogens

The second is that, to my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong), there aren't any controlled long term studies on the safety of vaccines. It sure seems like we are seeing a major rise in things like cancer, infertility, obesity, allergies, and all sorts of other major health problems. And I'm not saying that vaccines are the cause of any or all these things because I'm sure there are a lot of factors. However, it just doesn't make sense in my brain that you can pump toxic chemicals into your body like that and NOT have any long term health problems as a result.

I sure would love to see a long term controlled study comparing a vaxed population to a non vaxed population. If anyone knows of one that I don't, please pass it along.
post #22 of 66
Most of the safety studies are done as a post marketing surveillance, or studies done after the vaccine is released for general use.

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I sure would love to see a long term controlled study comparing a vaxed population to a non vaxed population
For decades Dr Dean Edell,media doctor and ophthamalogist has stated this will NEVER be done since doctors do not want to deprive any child of the benefits of vaccines.

This can be done if doctors used the Amish, or patrons of HomeFirst or children of chiropractors for example.
post #23 of 66
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Most of the safety studies are done as a post marketing surveillance, or studies done after the vaccine is released for general use.
But there's no way to control for anything in those studies. Plus, how long term are those studies? Do they send surveys to people who had DTP 20+ years ago? What kind of questions would they ask that would be at all relevant?

No... there needs to be controlled studies comparing vax to non vax... I know you said it won't happen... but that would be the only way you could prove that injecting your baby with carcinogens and neurotoxins don't actually have health implications.
post #24 of 66

I just started my "why I don't vaccine" paper. When I was pregnant with DS, my Mom informed me that they give newborns a Hepatitis B vax at birth. I said, "so?", and she said, "April, why would a one day old baby need a vaccine for that?" Thus started my 3 year vaccine research....and still going strong. I refused the Hep B for DS and have since learned a great deal about the harm that vaccines can/have caused. There is a plethora of cases against the practice of vaccine, so I'll get to the point and name a few that sent me from "maybe DS can have some shots when he's older" to "if anyone tries to force a vaccine on him or us, we will go as far as to flee the country".

 

First, vaccination can cause chronic sickness and disease. Natural immunity and vaccine induced immunity are very different. Natural immunity assumes that the intruding virus or bacteria has been addressed by the body's first lines of defense BEFORE entering the bloodstream. Under natural circumstances, the virus or bacteria would have to either enter through your nose, mouth, or outer layers of your skin. These areas of the body secrete antibodies (Immunoglobulin A) and begin the fight against invading pathogens. The virus/bacteria, then enters into the respiratory tract, gastrointestinal tract, and other organs that secrete more antibodies (Immunoglobulin G), further breaking down the virus or bacteria. These two immune responses have been shown to be very important in fighting off infection and acquiring immunity. Vaccine induced immunity injects the virus or bacteria directly into the bloodstream bypassing this first crucial step. It is thought that these 2 responses are needed in order for full expulsion of the offending agent, therefore the body isn't able to expel the injected toxins, thus harboring them in its cells and tissues creating long term illness and chronic autoimmune diseases like diabetes, lupus, leukemia, cancer, autism, allergies, asthma, etc.

 

Second, causing your body to over produce antibodies is not safe. Each time a vaccine is given, the virus/bacteria coupled with the antibody stimulating adjuvents, like aluminum and thimerisol, stimulate the body to produce antibodies in the blood. Those antibodies are designed to kill, and in a natural acquisition of infection, they would go after the offending agent, but in the case of vaccination, there is over adequate amount of antibodies produced for their offending viruses . When these excess antibodies have nothing to attack, they begin attacking innocent molecules in the body that most closely resemble the amino acid sequences of the virus. This is called Molecular Mimicry and this is how the body starts attacking itself, like in the cases of the above autoimmune diseases.

 

Children whose parents choose to follow the CDC's recommended immunization schedule receive 49 doses of 14 different vaccines by the time they are 6....and that number may have even increased since I did that research. That's ALOT of antibody production. And ALOT of opportunity for autoimmunity to occur.

 

Third, vaccine viruses are cultured on animal and human tissues, meaning they are grown on tissues like monkey kidneys and human fetal cells, and all the components that make up these tissues are injected into your bloodstream along with the vaccine. During an interview conducted by a well known American journalist, a retired vaccine researcher stated that he and his colleagues found various chicken viruses in the measles vaccine, canthamoeba (a brain eating amoeba) and simian cytomegaloviruses in the polio vaccine, simian foamy virus in the rotovirus vaccine, dog, duck, and rabbit viruses in the rubella vaccine, avian leucosis virus in the flu vaccine, pestivirus and bird cancer viruses in the MMR vaccine, various micro-organisms in the anthrax vaccine, and potentially dangerous enzyme inhibitors in several vaccines.

 

We cannot possibly calculate the extent of the damage these contaminants can cause because there has never been testing to find out.

 

There are other reasons as well, such as many times vaccines actually cause the diseases they are supposed to prevent. For example, polio and small pox were on a steady decline until mass vaccination for these diseases took place. There were polio and smallpox epidemics that occurred immediately following these mass vaccinations.

 

And still yet, other reasons such as heavy metal toxicity and nerve demyelination that occurs caused by adjuvents like aluminum and mercury.

 

The idea of vaccination is notably intended for the good of humanity, unfortunately, no vaccine has ever been proven safe or effective. Yes, studies have been done on short term adverse reactions, but all vaccine inserts admit that long term post market surveillance is not controlled or efficiently recorded. All vaccine inserts also state that "no studies have been done to evaluate for the potential to cause carcinogenicity (cancer) or genotoxicity." 

 

I encourage you to get ahold of all the vaccine package inserts for all the childhood immunizations and study them. It's a REAL eye opener.

 

Sorry this is such a lengthy response, but OP, this is a loaded question.

post #25 of 66

I was first introduced to the vaccine controversy online, but went on to read books and talk to people about it before making a decision.  Neither of my parents have ever recieved a vaccine in their lives, and both remember most of the vaccine-preventable diseases (with exception of polio) as minor childhood illnesses.  Both have had most vaccine-preventable diseases.  My mother remembers having measles and rubella "parties" so all the kids would get them at once.  At that time, people didn't fear these diseases as life threatening any more than we feared chicken pox as kids.

 

It also struck me that many people who do vaccinate have no idea how vaccines work or even what they are for.  I can't count how many moms I've met who talk about taking their baby in for their shots, but they don't even know how many were given or for what diseases.  Where is the informed consent in this? It seems very manipulative on the part of the medical community that most have no qualms about vaccinating extremely uninformed people, but if you refuse you get all kinds of "education" on the subject before they make you sign a waiver basically saying you know your child could die as a result of your choice.  And in my experience, this "education", both from the doctors office and the school, consists greatly of showing pictures of horrible diseases and saying, "Now you don't want to risk your child getting this, do you?"  I know I'm probably backwards, but this has the opposite effect on me.  Not only is it not a convincing argument, it insults my intelligence because I'm more than capable of understanding facts, not emotionally based scare stories. 

 

On the other hand, I have generally found the anti-vax crowd to be well-informed on the subject, even if they disagree with common medical teachings.  This is not to say that pro-vaccine parents are generally ignorant (dingyibvs, you seem very knowledgable about how vaccines work.  I find your perpective refreshing).  But there do seem to be some common themes that come up in the vaccine "wars", and a lot of it boils down to emotionally-based arguments rather than a fact-based presentation.

post #26 of 66

You know, that's a really good question.

 

I had heard a lot about people spacing them out, etc. and the reasons why. I think for us, it came to head when we were moving when DD was 3 months old. Because of that, she missed her 3 month vaccinations. And then it was time for her 6 month vaccs and I was overwhelmed with the idea of trying to get her 'caught up', so that kind of pushed my decision to go towards the "no more". If she hadn't missed her 3 month vaccs would she be fully vacc'd? I dunno.

 

Since then I have, along with everyone here I'm sure, been told by people that because I don't vacc my kid, THEY have to vacc THEIRS to protect them from my child. That has also cemented my decision. 'They' heard from somewhere that *EVEN THOUGH THEIR CHILD IS VACC'D*, that if my child gets sick their child will. To me, that makes me more certain that vaccs are a load of... um... stuff... and that there is no need to subject my kiddos to them.

 

I think another trigger was when I was pregnant with DD and it was time for DS's Chicken Pox vacc. I was like "what they heck does he need a vacc for THAT for? I've had them, it wasn't that bad". That was the first one we refused. When the doc asked me why, I had a good answer for her. Basically, when DS got his first MMR, he got the rash. Something like only 6% get the rash. While it wasn't serious, it made me wonder if he'd be one to get sick from the CP vacc. I was pregnant, due any day, and there was no way I wanted to possibly expose my newborn to Chicken Pox if DS got it from the vacc. Doc accepted that and was fine. But I think that was another thing that got me thinking. Actually, I'm 99% sure that's the last time DS got any vaccs.

 

In some ways, I wish I could say that my kids are 100% unvacc'd, but that's not the case. Except for the Chicken Pox vaccine, DS got every vacc he was 'supposed' to get up until and including his 18 month vaccs. Those were the last.

 

DD I think may have gotten the 3 month vaccs when we got here to Utah, but hasn't had any since. I actually came across her last vacc record recently and kind of laughed at it. It was September 2009. I'm now proud to say that my daughter's last vaccs were over a year ago, DS's were over a year and a half ago, and that it will continue that way until some idiot in government makes it a federal crime. Heck, even then, there will be so many of us in jail it'll be a freaking PARTY in there!

post #27 of 66

A magazine of Jenny McCarthy that said something about the link between the MMR and her son's autism. I had no idea about that story, so at first, I thought it was only the MMR that was bad, so I did research and desperately wanted to see that it was JUST the MMR and that other vaccines were safe (cause that's what I believed my entire life - I had no ideas of severe reactions whatsoever) and lo and behold, I came across more information than my virgin eyes wanted to see. ROTFLMAO.gif

 

After that, I embarked on this year long journey before I decided to at least space out my son's vaccines. He didn't receive his first round of shots til he was about 4 months. After this series of shots, in which he got everything that's recommended at 2 months, he got a fever that wouldn't go down for 3-4 days (it was 105), he was twitching every now and then, his poop was all filled with mucous, he was so "out of it" and had this odd/glazed look in his eyes like he wasn't there, and he got really sick a few weeks after for an entire month. It was probably the cold he caught from his cousin, but it took FOREVER for him to kick this bug and he was EBF at this time, too. So from that point on, I decided to do some more research, but DH was deployed at this time, so I had to do most of the research on my own and he told me he trusted me with whatever decision I made. When he came home, I shared that info with him and we both agreed to space it out. So we went by the Dr. Sears schedule, 2 shots at a time, 1 aluminum shot, etc. until he STILL had reactions. After the polio shot, he had a fever and he was REALLY fussy for a few days. He wasn't himself. I hated it. After the DTaP shot, his leg swelled SO big, I thought it'd pop. It really freaked me out. I just remember the last shot he got was the DTaP and Prevnar, and we went to Palm Springs, and he was crying the entire time. His mood totally changed, he was really cranky, and I remember locking myself in a bathroom stall at a restaurant with him in my lap cause he wouldn't stop screaming (like he was in pain) and that's when I had a sincere conversation with God and I prayed. I felt so much regret for giving him those shots, even after I felt my conscience tugging at my heart, telling me that it wasn't right (at least for him, it wasn't) and I kept shutting that voice up by what the world was saying I should do and by my fear of the disease itself.

 

A couple months later, after asking God for direction and guidance, I finally got my answer in a dream and it became clear. I trust that God will protect the decision *I* make for my child, and the only decision I was comfortable with was foregoing ALL shots. So at 10 months, he was finally done with everything he should've had at 6 months, minus the Hep B and polio series. I started those, but never finished. He only got one Hep B and 2 polio.

 

I do not regret my decision, and I'm very happy I finally listened to my gut and trusted it.

post #28 of 66

A magazine of Jenny McCarthy that said something about the link between the MMR and her son's autism. I had no idea about that story, so at first, I thought it was only the MMR that was bad, so I did research and desperately wanted to see that it was JUST the MMR and that other vaccines were safe (cause that's what I believed my entire life - I had no ideas of severe reactions whatsoever) and lo and behold, I came across more information than my virgin eyes wanted to see. ROTFLMAO.gif

 

After that, I embarked on this year long journey before I decided to at least space out my son's vaccines. He didn't receive his first round of shots til he was about 4 months. After this series of shots, in which he got everything that's recommended at 2 months, he got a fever that wouldn't go down for 3-4 days (it was 105), he was twitching every now and then, his poop was all filled with mucous, he was so "out of it" and had this odd/glazed look in his eyes like he wasn't there, and he got really sick a few weeks after for an entire month. It was probably the cold he caught from his cousin, but it took FOREVER for him to kick this bug and he was EBF at this time, too. So from that point on, I decided to do some more research, but DH was deployed at this time, so I had to do most of the research on my own and he told me he trusted me with whatever decision I made. When he came home, I shared that info with him and we both agreed to space it out. We were trying to get "the best of both worlds" so to speak. So we went by the Dr. Sears schedule, 2 shots at a time, 1 aluminum shot, etc. until he STILL had reactions. After the polio shot, he had a fever and he was REALLY fussy for a few days. He wasn't himself. I hated it. After the DTaP shot, his leg swelled SO big, I thought it'd pop. It really freaked me out. I just remember the last shot he got was the DTaP and Prevnar, and we went to Palm Springs, and he was crying the entire time. His mood totally changed, he was really cranky, and I remember locking myself in a bathroom stall bawling my eyes out at a restaurant with him in my lap cause he wouldn't stop screaming (like he was in pain) and that's when I had a sincere conversation with God and I prayed. I felt so much regret for giving him those shots, even after I felt my conscience tugging at my heart, telling me that it wasn't right (at least for him, it wasn't) and I kept shutting that voice up by what the world was saying I should do and by my fear of the disease itself.

 

A couple months later, after asking God for direction and guidance, I finally got my answer in a dream and it became clear. I trust that God will protect the decision *I* make for my child, and the only decision I was comfortable with was foregoing ALL shots. So at 10 months, he was finally done with everything he should've had at 6 months, minus the Hep B and polio series. I started those, but never finished. He only got one Hep B and 2 polio.

 

I do not regret my decision, and I'm very happy I finally listened to my gut and trusted it.

post #29 of 66

I forgot to mention that I've read so many books on vaccines, but the book that sold me was "The Sanctity of Human Blood."

post #30 of 66

My mom. LOL  She refused to vaccinate any of us before age 2.  Then she did, maybe only because she thought she "had" to for us to go to school.  She never said WHY she didn't before then, but it was enough for me to look into it.

post #31 of 66
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Most of the safety studies are done as a post marketing surveillance, or studies done after the vaccine is released for general use.
But there's no way to control for anything in those studies. Plus, how long term are those studies? Do they send surveys to people who had DTP 20+ years ago? What kind of questions would they ask that would be at all relevant?

No... there needs to be controlled studies comparing vax to non vax... I know you said it won't happen... but that would be the only way you could prove that injecting your baby with carcinogens and neurotoxins don't actually have health implications.


You completely missed my point, but that is OK.

post #32 of 66
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A couple months later, after asking God for direction and guidance, I finally got my answer in a dream and it became clear. I trust that God will protect the decision *I* make for my child, and the only decision I was comfortable with was foregoing ALL shots.



This is an awesome testimony, thank you for sharing it. I truly believe that if we ask God for discernment on anything, namely vaccinations because it is the topic here, He will lead and guide us on which way to go better than any physician, statistics, or scientific studies ever will. He is the ultimate Physician and every night I ask Him to please be my family's ultimate doctor!

post #33 of 66

I went into parenting a little crunchy, but this was an issue I was dead set on. I came from years working in a retail pharmacy. I "knew" that the benefits of vaccinations far outweighed the minimal risks. I even argued to death this (unfounded) belief I had on another site with a non-vaccinating mother. Then I had my baby. Of course, we vaccinated from the day she was born. I mean, that's what the CDC wanted us to do, so we'd do it!

 

At her two month appointment, I mentioned a rough red patch on her belly to her pediatrician. She said, "Oh, that's just a little eczema. It's very common in babies. Just switch her to Aveeno and keep lotion on it." We continued her vaccinations on the CDC schedule.

 

At six months, I began looking into more natural parenting methods. Two months ago, in a fit of rage against my mother for fixing a bottle of formula and feeding it to my daughter while I was in the shower, I threw out all of the bottles and formula in the house, DH and I decided to try cloth diapers, and I began thinking about vaccines. Her eczema continued to get worse.

 

At twelve months, I had started reading more and was a little nervous about the MMR. I also thought the chickenpox vaccine was completely ridiculous. We did not have any vaccinations at twelve months. Her eczema continued to get even worse.

 

At this point, I picked up two books. One was an outdated book on vaccinations that really outed the false "vaccines save lives" claim by showing that at the same time vaccinations were coming into use, so was modern sewage systems in big cities, along with modern healthcare, etc. The other was The Vaccine Book. I also read several things by Dr. Tenpenney online. I shared all of these with my husband. He said he'd be fine stopping vaccines altogether. I wasn't completely convinced. He left the decision up to me so we went with an altered version of Dr. Sears' delayed schedule. We would do one shot a month, skipping rotavirus, MMR, Varicella, HepB and Hib, all for various reasons.

 

At fifteen months, I showed our delayed schedule to our pediatrician. She said she was okay with it to an extent, but it seemed "silly" to just do the Prevnar and the DTaP a month later since our daughter was one shot away from completing both series. She bullied me into agreeing to both vaccines. The nurse gave both in the same leg. She was too fast for me to object. This is where things changed for us. I felt bad for my daughter. She ran a fever for three days, for four weeks she had a welt the size of a ping pong ball at the vaccination site. She also had an eczema patch in the same spot for 6 weeks or longer. From that moment on, her eczema went from moderate to hyper severe. She scratches until she bleeds. Most eczema information says it is typically limited to elbows and knees. Not my baby girl. My beautiful baby girl has scaly, itchy red patches of super dry skin from her scalp to her toes. She's 3.5 years old now. She still suffers. Some times are easier than others, but especially in the winter is hard because of the cold, dry weather.

 

At that point, I was pregnant with my son. I told my husband I couldn't stand the thought of vaccinating another child and possibly giving them the horrible eczema or worse. His response was, "I told you I was fine with stopping vaccines altogether!" So, that was the last vaccine given to our family.

 

We've been to four different pediatricians, two allergists, one dermatologist (who is lucky I'm not a violent person or I would've punched her for telling me I was stupid but that's another story). None of them would agree that the vaccines exacerbated her eczema. I'm fighting a losing battle. Right now, her skin is broken and scratched up. The other day she scratched both knees into raw meat, bleeding all over the carpet. Until we get our health insurance in January, I'm having to keep her on benadryl around the clock. I hope to get her in to see my chiropractor soon, so we can look into alternative methods of treating her skin.

 

When my son was born, when we signed refusal of consent for the vitamin k and eye ointment, we added "NO HEP B" to the refusal of consent. He has never had a single vaccination. His skin is pretty much perfect, he's had some eczema on his back when he had abx, and he has a touch of asthma, which he probably inherited from me.

 

So, that's our story. Our next child will not have any vaccinations either, and I'm hoping to switch to a pediatrician that won't require us to go to WBV.

post #34 of 66

The death of my 6 month old son. He fell off a very low bed (according to all doctors, definitely not the reason for his severe brain bleed) 5 days after his DTP Pertussis HepB HiB shot. After months of accusing me of shaking my baby, the autopsy results reveal that there was (of course) no Shaken Baby Syndrom and it was determined that his death was "fateful". Several doctors have speculated that the vaccines had to do with his death.

Needless to say my subsequent child received no vaccines at all and has been perfectly healthy and I am not going to revaccinate my 6.5 y.o.

post #35 of 66


I am so sorry you had to go through that.

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The death of my 6 month old son. He fell off a very low bed (according to all doctors, definitely not the reason for his severe brain bleed) 5 days after his DTP Pertussis HepB HiB shot. After months of accusing me of shaking my baby, the autopsy results reveal that there was (of course) no Shaken Baby Syndrom and it was determined that his death was "fateful". Several doctors have speculated that the vaccines had to do with his death.

Needless to say my subsequent child received no vaccines at all and has been perfectly healthy and I am not going to revaccinate my 6.5 y.o.

post #36 of 66

First, it was the adding in of the Chicken Pox vaccination. I was not going to do that one. My older children were born before the vaccination was in the states and already had the pox and it just seemed to me that natural is better and we know more about natural and my children would be immune once they had it naturally and so on. I could not figure out why they would even bother with a vaccination for something like chicken pox. Yet, I did not question the other shots.

 

Then, I had more children, 5.5 yrs after the youngest of the older children. There were lots more shots on the list of shots to get. I asked the doctor..why are there so many more shots, she just said the children need them. So I thought of course my older children "needed" these new shots too. So I said then I guess I better bring in my older children for these shots too. See, when my baby then was born, my older children were 5 and 6 yrs old. And they were in public school where they would be exposed to so much more than my breastfed at home baby. Yet, she said my older children did not need the additional shots. Huh? Really? I did not get why a newborn baby needed a bunch of shots that a 5 and a 6 yr old would never need. But, still, it did not register with me. We continued to just do every shot they asked for. 

 

Then the Hep A shot came out. I asked..isn't that an acute illness that people generally get over? They said it used to be, but now, it is too hard to treat so there is a shot for that too. Again, I should have questioned it. Especially since the way my son got the shot was I left the room to go to the bathroom (I was pregnant at the time) and came back to my son screaming because the nurse came in, without my knowledge, and was trying to give him the shot. I stupidly let her go ahead and give him the shot. 

 

Then, the HPV shot was suddenly passed by emergency order by the Governor here in Texas. For 11 yr olds! And the shot wears off in 4 yrs! That is when I decided enough! I was in shock. I started thinking back to my life growing up. I loved my uncle. He was a lawyer for RJ Reynolds, the biggest Tobacco Company out there. He did an excellent job in congress, as he would put it "buying and selling politicians" to keep tobacco companies being allowed to do all they were doing back then. I mean...cigarettes don't cause cancer....right? There were even signs up at his office building that said "Thank you for smoking." Seriously...I feel like that was blood money. They should have had signs up that said "thank you for giving us money to kill you and the ones around you." It would have meant the same thing.

 

Then I saw that pharmaceutical companies had the highest spending in congress of any other catagory of lobbying. And the declared spending is just a very small part of lobbying. The big companies pay for many many things that can go down as philothrampic giving rather than lobbying money. The money contributed to campaigns is kept at a limit. Of course, if a lobbyist says "hey congressman, how about we meet for a couple hours for lunch to discuss this, how about Hawaii, for a week or two, bring the family, we will pay" well..they can. It is not considered a contribution. Scholarship funds to the expensive private schools like the Friends School in the DC area. Money being funneled in to the projects that congresspeople are trying to keep up and going, that they are sponsoring....none of that is counted in the lobbying money amounts.

 

The point is, how is law made? Is it a bunch of innocent people, unmoved by money or otherwise, making laws for our own good? No. It is a bunch of politicians who answer to those who fund their lives. So how did the vaccination laws come to be? Politicians, lobbyists. It is not really as simple as the cutesy little school house rock jingle they would play on TV about how a bill is passed, it is was more complicated than that.

 

So why is the list in place that is there for the vaccinations...and why are we giving these shots to newborns? And what shots have we, as adults had? 

 

I am against giving my baby, or any of my children, any shot I have not had. I never get adults anymore who take their children in for shots that they don't get for themselves. And on the HPV shot, HPV can only be transmitted through intercourse. Every single time someone tells me they got their poor little 11 yr old the HPV shot, I wonder if they also got the child the depo shot or some other form of birth control. Because if their 11 yr old is having sex, they have lots more to worry about than just HPV. They should seriously considering family counseling, help for the child, or whatever else, regarding their 11 yr old having intercourse. I do not know anyone personally who would give their 11 yr old that shot, but if I did, I would not really want my children to have relationships with a sexually active 11 yr old. Reality is though, I think most parents who force that shot on those children simply are clueless as to what that shot is (and that it is banned in several countries due to the high amounts of devastating effects on many of these girls). I also think that sexual health should be 100% the choice of the child. So if your child is going to be given the HPV shot, they need to understand what the shot is, what it prevents, how they could prevent HPV without the shot (don't have intercourse). If someone feels their 11 yr old is too young to have that talk, then the 11 yr old is definitely too young for the shot. I am disgusted that that pharmaceutical company has gotten away with advertising that it is a shot for cervical cancer, when it is not. It is a shot for a sexually transmitted disease that could potentially be a contributing factor to cervical cancer (HPV is present in 70% of the women diagnosed with cervical cancer, but it is present in 50% of the general population, and the shot only vaccinates against 4 strains total out of several, AND it wears off within 4 yrs, AND it has been suspected that the shot itself could cause cancer, just like the chicken pox shot can cause shingles). 

 

Why do they give the shots to children instead of adults? Because they were more likely to get the children in to the office. Because they can withhold a public school education from kids if they do not get the shots. Because the little babies are at the doctors office anyway for well check ups, perfect time to make sure you can sell the product to any uninformed parent, which seems to be most of the parents (I certainly was for many years).

 

SO...then..I started going through piece by piece, researching each and every shot. I researched the disease..is this a bad disease? Does it still exist? Is the disease worse than the shot? Will the shot wear off soon? Am I willing to inject this shot in to my own body? That last one is a biggie. If the answers are no, I won't do the shot. 

 

I did get myself and my older children the DTP. I did not get it for the baby. IF I thought the DTP was that important, I would get it for the older people who come in contact with my baby before I would get it for the baby. I don't really think the DTP shot is that important. Also, regardless of the disease, I will not use any vaccinations made from human embryos. That I stand strong on. I did not used to be prolife, but I am now and I am adament about my feelings over this. I have had 2 babies die and several miscarriages. My children were people. The babies used to make those shots were people. But babies are often discounted as expendable. I refuse to be a part of that. Even if the companies continue to do what they do to make those shots, I won't be a part of it. I was shocked to learn about how some of those shots were made. 

 

In the end....well..that is just my story. I do happen to have 2 sons with ASD, but my decision has nothing to do with autism. However, regardless, if people are going to do the shots, I would recommend vaccinating the older people around the child and postponing the shots for the child until the child is over 3 yrs old.

post #37 of 66

I am very sorry about the loss of your little Jake. 
 

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The death of my 6 month old son. He fell off a very low bed (according to all doctors, definitely not the reason for his severe brain bleed) 5 days after his DTP Pertussis HepB HiB shot. After months of accusing me of shaking my baby, the autopsy results reveal that there was (of course) no Shaken Baby Syndrom and it was determined that his death was "fateful". Several doctors have speculated that the vaccines had to do with his death.

Needless to say my subsequent child received no vaccines at all and has been perfectly healthy and I am not going to revaccinate my 6.5 y.o.

post #38 of 66

Yes, I don't get the whole load of BS where people claim their vaccinated child is endangered by my nonvaccinated child. What is the point of their vaccination? And if they think their child can get the disease from my nonvaccinated child...what about from them? How many adults do you know that have gone in and had all the shots they give babies today? I don't know any.
 

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You know, that's a really good question.

 

I had heard a lot about people spacing them out, etc. and the reasons why. I think for us, it came to head when we were moving when DD was 3 months old. Because of that, she missed her 3 month vaccinations. And then it was time for her 6 month vaccs and I was overwhelmed with the idea of trying to get her 'caught up', so that kind of pushed my decision to go towards the "no more". If she hadn't missed her 3 month vaccs would she be fully vacc'd? I dunno.

 

Since then I have, along with everyone here I'm sure, been told by people that because I don't vacc my kid, THEY have to vacc THEIRS to protect them from my child. That has also cemented my decision. 'They' heard from somewhere that *EVEN THOUGH THEIR CHILD IS VACC'D*, that if my child gets sick their child will. To me, that makes me more certain that vaccs are a load of... um... stuff... and that there is no need to subject my kiddos to them.

 

I think another trigger was when I was pregnant with DD and it was time for DS's Chicken Pox vacc. I was like "what they heck does he need a vacc for THAT for? I've had them, it wasn't that bad". That was the first one we refused. When the doc asked me why, I had a good answer for her. Basically, when DS got his first MMR, he got the rash. Something like only 6% get the rash. While it wasn't serious, it made me wonder if he'd be one to get sick from the CP vacc. I was pregnant, due any day, and there was no way I wanted to possibly expose my newborn to Chicken Pox if DS got it from the vacc. Doc accepted that and was fine. But I think that was another thing that got me thinking. Actually, I'm 99% sure that's the last time DS got any vaccs.

 

In some ways, I wish I could say that my kids are 100% unvacc'd, but that's not the case. Except for the Chicken Pox vaccine, DS got every vacc he was 'supposed' to get up until and including his 18 month vaccs. Those were the last.

 

DD I think may have gotten the 3 month vaccs when we got here to Utah, but hasn't had any since. I actually came across her last vacc record recently and kind of laughed at it. It was September 2009. I'm now proud to say that my daughter's last vaccs were over a year ago, DS's were over a year and a half ago, and that it will continue that way until some idiot in government makes it a federal crime. Heck, even then, there will be so many of us in jail it'll be a freaking PARTY in there!

post #39 of 66

I have read ones before, but don't have the time to look, comparing certain problems with vaccinated groups in the US against nonvaccinated...like the Amish communities to be exact. There are no nut allergies in the nonvaccinated communities, and I am thinking might be no egg allergies too..but I am not sure, but there are no nut allergies. But what can someone expect when they take a newborn baby and inject nut products straight in to the small itty bitty body of this trusting infant?
 

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I have two main issues:
The first is all the weird/toxic ingredients... many of which are known nuerotoxins and/or carcinogens

The second is that, to my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong), there aren't any controlled long term studies on the safety of vaccines. It sure seems like we are seeing a major rise in things like cancer, infertility, obesity, allergies, and all sorts of other major health problems. And I'm not saying that vaccines are the cause of any or all these things because I'm sure there are a lot of factors. However, it just doesn't make sense in my brain that you can pump toxic chemicals into your body like that and NOT have any long term health problems as a result.

I sure would love to see a long term controlled study comparing a vaxed population to a non vaxed population. If anyone knows of one that I don't, please pass it along.
post #40 of 66

For me it was different than many stories I hear. I researched vaccines prior to ds1's birth. I was comfortable with most vaccines, but knew I would skip some completely or offer it at a later time. We started vaccines on the normal schedule. ds1 would get hives, high fevers, and uncontrollable crying after each one. Then at a year he was diagnosed with ADHD and after a vaccine he got really out of control. Around 18 months he started having seizures. Sometimes with fevers other times without. At that time we decided to stop all vaccines. We talked to specalists and a family member who is a Pediatrician and they all agreed it was best to do. He is now 3 years with bad ADHD and sensory issues. I don't know if vaccines have anything to do with it, but I do know that after each vaccines he didn't take things well. We have not vaccinated ds2 and our Pediatrician has advised us not to at this time. We will think about it at 1 year, but probably nothing until 2 years if he is vaccinated at all. I hear and respect the other side who do not want their children around unvaccinated kids. I understand their concerns. I have to protect my children first. I am not going to vaccinate my children when they are having bad reactions. They can think my kids are diseased kids if they want, I don't care, only shows ignorance. Walk a day in my shoes, heck just an hour in my shoes, and you may then understand. We are content and confident in our choices and we have a Pediatrician who supports our decision.

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