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post #41 of 66
I don't hate Disney. I won't buy all the merchandise... but I don't buy any tv show merch. Nickelodean, pbs, whatever. I'm okay with the books since I prefer kiddo reading to watching shows and movies, but that is really the only thing I'd buy. I also give the character clothing and toys away as quickly as I can. She never wore her mickey mouse or sesame street clothes from my MIL. She has a whole box of plastic toys and TWO obnoxious singing elmos in the sunroom waiting to exit my house.

I don't think Disney is EVIL though. Lots of companies product crappy merchandise.

Besides, I have very fond memories of watching the movies growing up. Pocahontas was my FAVORITE movie for a good two years. Now, I did have some clothing and merchandise but I will say that it didn't make me think native americans are ugly for not looking like Pocahontas nor did it make me think I needed to be as skinny as her. Actually, I just loved the way her hair blew in the wind and I ADORED the tree. Still do adore the tree. I thought the racoon was adorable too... but I never wanted to go near them for real. Watching or not, merchandise or not... I still had a pretty firm grasp on reality and recognizing that what I see on a screen isn't necessarily right or kind or best.

I have disney cds and I play them often. I will crank them loud and rock out. A whole new world, circle of life... they aren't just some dumb song for the opening credits of a tv show... they are pretty great just on their own.

Kiddo will go to Disney someday. I take the parts of Disney I like and leave the rest, just like everything else in life. I think that is perfectly possible if I am doing my job as her parent and teaching her how to have a critical eye and value herself. I love the princess movies and NEVER thought I 'needed' a man or should change myself to get one. If I can understand that, there is no reason why I can't teach her that while also enjoying snow white with her.
post #42 of 66
My DS was lost at Disneyworld for over an hour. It was his 5'th birthday. We went on a whim because we were nearby.
He got jammed in between a massive crowd of people going through the princess castle and was literally ripped away from us.

The 'security' chap that we were dealing with actually chuckled and said, "it's Disneyworld, nothing bad happens here!" Then he proceeded to ignore me and take reservations for the princess tea. Nobody would help me, there were FAMILIES strolling by and I was asking them "Have you seen my boy, he's lost, he's 5, he's wearing a hawaiian shirt, he's yay tall...." and they were turning their heads away from me. One lady said to me in a singsongy voice "That's why we have walkie-talkies!"
But the staff were the worst, they just kept telling me he was fine. (Fine! He's been gone for 25 minutes! ) I actually started to lose it badly at one point....everyone was just so casual, everyone was having a fun, normal day and I started questioning, maybe I'm the crazy one, maybe he's standing right here next to me, or maybe he never ever existed at all.....it was just a bad moment, I know, and I also know it was panic, fear and anger that fueled my temporary madness.

I was back and forth between the child find center (lost child center?) and the castle a dozen times. Each time I was told "sorry, but you'll have to leave your stroller outside" The stroller in question was a smallish thing, a Pliko, with my 3 y/o twins in/on it. DD was sound asleep and DS was hanging on for dear life. I had already lost one child in that hellhole and I'd be damned if I was going to lose any more. And they new I was looking for my child! I was so mad and broken feeling I honestly could have strangled every unhelpful person I encountered (and there were a lot).

It was horrid, horrid, horrid. Never in my life had I ever felt so low, that my child was so disposable, that he was so unimportant, they got his entrance fee and that's all they cared about. They refused to shut down the exit points. They refused to LOOK for him. And I was crying and screaming at anyone to help me look, my littler ones were crying, my DH was storming through the park screaming DS's name. It was like one of those nightmares where you're trying to run but you can't.

My child was found at the opposite end of the park by an elderly lady. How he got there is still a mystery, he said later that he talked to some nice people, but mostly he was pretty shaken.

We left the park immediately and have never bought, watched or promoted in any way another Disney product. I was done.

That's why I don't like Disney.
Sorry for the rant....I can't think about it without getting mad
post #43 of 66
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Originally Posted by childsplay View Post
My DS was lost at Disneyworld for over an hour.

Wow, that is so totally not my experience. We were there 18 months ago, dd2 was 8.5. Dh lost her (I was with dd1 on another ride), and called me. I told him to tell the nearest staff member. He did, they called who they needed to, reassured him, and she was back within 2 minutes. They were together before I got there a few minutes later.

I'm sorry your experience was so bad. I think I would have told them and then called 911 in front of them if they responded as they did you.
post #44 of 66
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Originally Posted by treeoflife3 View Post
I don't hate Disney. I won't buy all the merchandise... but I don't buy any tv show merch. Nickelodean, pbs, whatever. I'm okay with the books since I prefer kiddo reading to watching shows and movies, but that is really the only thing I'd buy. I also give the character clothing and toys away as quickly as I can. She never wore her mickey mouse or sesame street clothes from my MIL. She has a whole box of plastic toys and TWO obnoxious singing elmos in the sunroom waiting to exit my house.

I don't think Disney is EVIL though. Lots of companies product crappy merchandise.

Besides, I have very fond memories of watching the movies growing up. Pocahontas was my FAVORITE movie for a good two years. Now, I did have some clothing and merchandise but I will say that it didn't make me think native americans are ugly for not looking like Pocahontas nor did it make me think I needed to be as skinny as her. Actually, I just loved the way her hair blew in the wind and I ADORED the tree. Still do adore the tree. I thought the racoon was adorable too... but I never wanted to go near them for real. Watching or not, merchandise or not... I still had a pretty firm grasp on reality and recognizing that what I see on a screen isn't necessarily right or kind or best.

I have disney cds and I play them often. I will crank them loud and rock out. A whole new world, circle of life... they aren't just some dumb song for the opening credits of a tv show... they are pretty great just on their own.

Kiddo will go to Disney someday. I take the parts of Disney I like and leave the rest, just like everything else in life. I think that is perfectly possible if I am doing my job as her parent and teaching her how to have a critical eye and value herself. I love the princess movies and NEVER thought I 'needed' a man or should change myself to get one. If I can understand that, there is no reason why I can't teach her that while also enjoying snow white with her.
seriously all of this!! we owned all of the disney movies as a kid, my personal fav was the little mermaid. seriously we (i have 2 younger sisters) never played princess, ever much less disney princess. my kid sisters favorite movie forever was peter pan i have only been to disneyland once and it was okay, fun- but i am not much for crowds and lines.
post #45 of 66
oh and i won't step foot inside the disney store anymore. so much junk!!
post #46 of 66
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Originally Posted by childsplay View Post
My DS was lost at Disneyworld for over an hour.
HOW AWFUL!

That is just terrifying and horrifying and...

omg.
post #47 of 66
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My DS was lost at Disneyworld for over an hour. It was his 5'th birthday.
Oh, I am so sorry. I am glad your DS is OK, but that must have been terrifying to go through! Did you complain to the management? I'd go as high as possible until you got a satisfactory response- like an ENORMOUS written apology and implementation of child safety training for every single staff member.
post #48 of 66

Relationship with Disney

I'm fine with most of their movies. I try to have our kids watch them when they are the right age though... and to be honest, our girls are only just getting to an age (5 and 6) where they can start to enjoy a selection of the movies.

People seem to feel that if it's Disney it's perfect for preschoolers. I'm of the opinion that most of their movies really aren't a good fit for the two and three year olds that are watching them. I actually thought that Toy Story 3 was a very grown up movie. If a child is the right age for a movie it's easy to just talk about any themes that you don't necessarily agree with, read the original book and compare it with the movie, etc.

Our kids have been to Disneyland twice. I've been to Disney World twice too (as a childless adult). It's not my idea of a dream vacation, but it's fun. We were happy with our experience and I'm glad that we took our kids. We'll likely go again sometime when the boys are a little older.

Compared to other parks and resorts, Disney is extremely accommodating. I've heard mostly good things about their ability to accommodate people with disabilities, severe food allegories, health concerns, etc. People who have limited options when it comes to family vacations can often do Disney when they can't do much else.

We just don't buy the licensed crap, and when it's gifted it often disappears from the house after a short stay. There was a time when Disney controlled their product licensing to some degree, but now I think they'll give a license to anybody who can pay for it. When I was little, you had to go to a Disney Park to get most Disney stuff. There was very little available in stores.

I don't think Disney is any more evil than any other giant corporation whose goal it is to make obscene amounts of money for their investors. At least with Disney, we enjoy some of their stuff. I hate most Nick Jr shows, and their junky licensed products that are everywhere. I'd watch Peter Pan or Aladdin or Beauty and the Beast over Dora ANY DAY and DH can't stand Angeline Ballerina.
post #49 of 66
We Love Disney...and like PP that's all I will say.
post #50 of 66
Well said, ChetMC. I agree with just about everything you say. I don't think that Disney is any worse than any other huge company trying to make a lot of money. That's why they exist. I do have a problem with their marketing to very young children. I don't "hate" Disney, but we keep everything that smacks of licensing out of the house while my kids are young, before they're developmentally ready to sift through the information that I think they should have to be informed consumers. And, no, you can't just "talk about it" until kids reach a certain age of reason. The book "Into the Minds of Babes" (which is pretty pro-TV, btw) talks in some depth about all the studies of what children understand when, and it pegs this as closer to 7. Since I don't keep my kids locked in the basement, I don't know if we'll realistically be able to carry on that long (especially since I'll have 3 kids of 3 different ages), but we'll do our best.
post #51 of 66
One of my big problems with them is I really think the story lines have gone way downhill and yet the marketing of them is getting Huger and huger.

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I was making fun of the "Toy Story 3" stuff at the store the other day. The character dolls are the EXACT SAME as the ones from Toy Story 1 and 2...but they're marked up and whatnot because they're from the NEWEST movie!!!!!!!
This is a huge part of the problem I have with them. We already have the toys from Toy story 1, but now my kids have seen the ones for Toy story 3 and have to have them now. Um.... they are the exact same as the ones you have. There are a couple of new characters like the weird mean bear, but those are not even the ones they want. They need a new woody and a new buzz lightyear, and then throw a fit when I tell them they do not need a toy they already own.
post #52 of 66
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Originally Posted by childsplay View Post
My DS was lost at Disneyworld for over an hour. It was his 5'th birthday. We went on a whim because we were nearby.
He got jammed in between a massive crowd of people going through the princess castle and was literally ripped away from us.

The 'security' chap that we were dealing with actually chuckled and said, "it's Disneyworld, nothing bad happens here!" Then he proceeded to ignore me and take reservations for the princess tea. Nobody would help me, there were FAMILIES strolling by and I was asking them "Have you seen my boy, he's lost, he's 5, he's wearing a hawaiian shirt, he's yay tall...." and they were turning their heads away from me. One lady said to me in a singsongy voice "That's why we have walkie-talkies!"
But the staff were the worst, they just kept telling me he was fine. (Fine! He's been gone for 25 minutes! ) I actually started to lose it badly at one point....everyone was just so casual, everyone was having a fun, normal day and I started questioning, maybe I'm the crazy one, maybe he's standing right here next to me, or maybe he never ever existed at all.....it was just a bad moment, I know, and I also know it was panic, fear and anger that fueled my temporary madness.

I was back and forth between the child find center (lost child center?) and the castle a dozen times. Each time I was told "sorry, but you'll have to leave your stroller outside" The stroller in question was a smallish thing, a Pliko, with my 3 y/o twins in/on it. DD was sound asleep and DS was hanging on for dear life. I had already lost one child in that hellhole and I'd be damned if I was going to lose any more. And they new I was looking for my child! I was so mad and broken feeling I honestly could have strangled every unhelpful person I encountered (and there were a lot).

It was horrid, horrid, horrid. Never in my life had I ever felt so low, that my child was so disposable, that he was so unimportant, they got his entrance fee and that's all they cared about. They refused to shut down the exit points. They refused to LOOK for him. And I was crying and screaming at anyone to help me look, my littler ones were crying, my DH was storming through the park screaming DS's name. It was like one of those nightmares where you're trying to run but you can't.

My child was found at the opposite end of the park by an elderly lady. How he got there is still a mystery, he said later that he talked to some nice people, but mostly he was pretty shaken.

We left the park immediately and have never bought, watched or promoted in any way another Disney product. I was done.

That's why I don't like Disney.
Sorry for the rant....I can't think about it without getting mad

Just so you know, this is NOT supposed to be their response. I think it was a case of being unfortunate enough to lose your ds when those knuckleheads were working. There are a whole slew of stories out there of lost children and the cast members absolutely swinging (calmly) into action and not stopping until the child was found. Protocol was NOT followed. I'm sorry you had that experience. '

Also, FWIW, you must have been at a busy time or a busy day (Maybe an extra magic hour day?) or during some special event for it to be that crowded in and around the castle. People who tend to go once on a whim often have complaints like this (not your fault, just saying, it can be miserably crowded and murderously hot at certain times of the year.) I put a lot of planning and it's honestly a TOTALLY different trip when we go at less crowded times. ALso, if you get a bad CM, or a whole slew of them in your case, DEFINITELY complain all the way to the top. That's not acceptable and they should NOT get away with that.

As for my opinion of Disney? I agree with others about the ridiculous marketing/running things into the ground and the constant cranking out parts two, three, four, seventeen of movies. With a very few exceptions, those without sequels are more special and nostalgic. Making a million sequels kinda kills the magic. I'm careful about the messages in the Disney movies but I just talk it over with ds and I honestly don't think he's processing it the way I do. We don't feel the need to own every disney movie/thing made ever. I don't buy things with disney characters plastered all over them but I'm like that with all characters.

I don't agree with their business ethics but then I don't agree with most big business ethics.

I absolutely love WDW, though, and the absolute ease of my vacation when I'm there. The feeling that every. single. cast member. will bend over backwards to make my trip wonderful. The special attention to every single detail you could ever imagine and then some. That's what Walt's vision for the theme parks was. Sure, you get a bad egg here and there but, and maybe I'm just lucky, we've been overall floored by the customer service there. We don't get to go often, though, and I think that preserves the magic for us. I just took my ds for the first time in July and am looking forward to doing so again someday. Again, we don't go bonkers buying merchandise there. Ds's favorite purchase from the trip? A toy monorail which I think is pretty darn cool to add to his transportation toys. We do make the effort to make the vacation special together time enjoying what we call the pixie dust and not just indulging in constant purchasing. Just my two cents.
post #53 of 66
Another awesome thing about the parks - kids with allergies. Ours are gluten/egg free, and when we reserved Christmas dinner, they took note of that. At the dinner, they mentioned it to us before we had a chance to say anything, and the chef came out to us and took us around the buffet to show what was safe and what wasn't. They also had GF dinner rolls and a GF dessert which apparently was awesome (so awesome they wouldn't share ).
post #54 of 66
For me, it comes down to esthetics. I think Disney art is ugly. It's not my cup of tea. I grew up on the "color" fairy books of Andrew Lang and my ideas of fairytale art were shaped early on by the main illustrator of those books, H.J Ford.

After years of this sort of thing at an impressionable age:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...iw=988&bih=638

...Disney has always looked cheap and junky to me.

(In terms of modern classic fairytale illustrators, I prefer Trina Schart Hyman.)

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...iw=988&bih=638

And yeah, the dead mother storylines, the relentless marketing, etc. But really, it's the look.
post #55 of 66
For me it is definitely the marketing. I am SOOOO sick of having to search to find any simple child's item that is plain (from potty seats to underwear to rubber boots) 'cause it seems the easiest & by far most prevalant items are all branded.
post #56 of 66
Disney princess movies make me crazy. Where else do you consistently find movies where the heroine is (1) young (2) beautiful and (3) STUPID and the villianess is (1) old (2) ugly and (3) smart.

My boys have never seen Little Mermaid, for example. What a giant load of $*%. A woman removes her voice and leaves her family to find her true love who falls in love with her because she's beautiful and can't speak?!?

Awesome.

I could go on and on.

My boys do like Disneyland and once we went to Disneyworld. That was fun, but they did say they didn't feel like they were "anywhere." So now we go on real vacations to real places...
post #57 of 66
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STUPID
Ahem. "Consistently" stupid? Ariel, yes. Belle, no... Tiana, no... Pocahontas, no... Jasmine, eh, savvy enough to recognise Aladdin and nearly trick Jafar, not too dim... Aurora, sheltered but with no particular evidence of stupidity, as they even changed the plot so she pricked her finger under a spell, not through clumsiness... Cinderella, no... Mulan, no... who am I missing? Oh, Snow White. Not stupid either. Really, Ariel's the only one who makes me cringe (unless you count a bit of cynical modern cringing at Aurora and Cinderella singing about dreams).

Maleficent was scary-looking, but not ugly per se; ditto the evil step-mother in Snow White (in her non-hag form, obviously!).

Also, if I can be permitted further nitpicking - Erik fell in love with Ariel because of her voice. He resisted falling in love with her in her human form out of loyalty to the memory of that voice, making him one of the less shallow of the (earlyish) Disney princes. It was the evil witch who suggested to Ariel that men like their women silent, although Ariel was undeniably idiotic to agree with her. Then again, her father hadn't shown much respect for her opinions, even though he could have granted her wishes easily, so - there ya go.
post #58 of 66
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Originally Posted by kriket View Post
they encourage a (imo) false reality of childhood.
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they are also way to big a company, they control too much of the media presented to children.
nak
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it was always about profit and how to take over the market for them.


Mickey Mouse Monopoly.
A former colleague uses it in her women's study course. A lot of the students totally reject the film, as it disrupts their own sense of their childhood. You can see a free, full-length preview at the link.

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Another awesome thing about the parks - kids with allergies. Ours are gluten/egg free, and when we reserved Christmas dinner, they took note of that. At the dinner, they mentioned it to us before we had a chance to say anything, and the chef came out to us and took us around the buffet to show what was safe and what wasn't. They also had GF dinner rolls and a GF dessert which apparently was awesome (so awesome they wouldn't share ).
THIS is one reason I would look forward to going to DisneyWorld.
post #59 of 66
I actually haven't seen a Disney film since Aladdin (not counting Pixar).

I won't prevent DD from seeing a Disney movie, nor do I plan to go out of my way to make sure she does. And I am OK with her playing with other people's plastic princess paraphernalia, I just don't want to buy it.
post #60 of 66
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Mickey Mouse Monopoly.
A former colleague uses it in her women's study course. A lot of the students totally reject the film, as it disrupts their own sense of their childhood. You can see a free, full-length preview at the link.
So I sat down and watched this. I found it by and large thin and insubstantial. The idea that once a corporation gets above a certain size it has an .... obligation? moral imperative? to become educational in the 'right' way is pretty funny. I think that instead of spending so much time complaining about how Disney represents people/events/whatever badly people should instead work towards having the representations they want. Disney *is* a corporation and they absolutely are focused on making money. If people want to have another focus in their movies they can go do that.

My family has always loved Disney. I grew up with a mother who was a self-proclaimed Disney fanatic. You know what? We owned the movies and there were a couple of framed art pieces and one or two toys. My mom had one Mickey Mouse shirt. One can hardly say that Disney dominated our lives. My opinions of race relations are *not* informed by Disney, thankyouverymuch. I'm well aware that they have some toxic views of other races. But uhm, the fact that I like the movies does not eliminate my ability to think. It's a fantasy. I'm aware of that. I don't think that it was a freak accident that I can figure that out and I think my kids will too.
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