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My son hates me and is destroying what's left of our family.

post #1 of 18
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My son is 15, has Asperger's, and has had a rough year- my Husband, the only Dad he ever knew, left last December, we're constantly low on money, and I'm pregnant. My son also hates me.

He will not do the basics as far as helping out around the house- I consider it a "good" day if he puts his plate in the sink after dinner. He refuses to walk the dogs, he refuses to do th dishes, he refuses to do any laundry, he refuses to do anything that's even vaguely considered work. I only ask when I absolutely desperately need help, which is only once a week or every other week these days, but even then, it almost have to physically force him, and that's when he's in a good mood, so most often, I just do it myself. (I'm pregnant, I've been sick the last couple months, I just can't use the extra energy on the off chance I can convince him to help me.)

He tells me "he's 15, he's just a kid, he's lazy, but that's okay, he's had a rough year, I have no right to ask him to have any responsibility- that will come when he turns 18." I've tried talking to him, there's no reasoning with him. It's not an Asperger's thing, it's definitely him taking advantage of the situation and not willing to help anyone besides himself.

An example of our typical day is, last night, he insisted I watch a movie with him. Earlier in the day, he spent some of his money on a box of ice cream, and I'd spent some of my money on a box of donuts. I brought the donuts home, shared some with him, put it in the fridge for either of us to have at any time. He put HIS box of ice cream in the freezer, took out the box of ice cream I bought earlier this week and finished it off. Then came movie time. We always eat ice cream while watching a movie. He got a bowl of ice cream, informed me that he would not be sharing, and sat there eating it in front of me. It did not bother him.

Then, I have this horrible cold, can barely breathe, and I'm about two steps from an asthma attack at any given time the last couple days. He's giving me dirty looks and telling me I need to stop breathing so heavy, he can't consentrate on the movie. Movie ends. It's 11:30. I tell him I'm sick, I have work the next day, I need to go to bed, and he has to wake up at 6 am for school, so he needs to go to bed, also. He tells me he has to do something on the computer, he'll go to bed in a little bit. I KNOW where that's going, but I simply can't stay awake another moment, so I tell him he has a half hour, don't be still awake when I get up to pee (pregnant- that happens every hour or so) and I remind him he needs to wake at 6 am and save time to shower in the morning 'cause he didn't last night. He goes to bed at 1:45.

I wake him at 6, and as expected, he's tired and cranky. He hops in the shower. I walk the dogs and then make him some juice and peanut butter toast. (At his age, he should be doing breakfast himself, but I'm at the point where I'm picking my battles, and if he doesn't eat breakfast, he's so out of it, there's really no point of him going to school- nothing gets done.) At 6:20, I realize he's still in the shower. I knock on the door and tell him he needs to get out. He yells at me "I AM!" and to "LEAVE ME ALONE!". Same happens at 6:30. Same happens at 6:34. And 6:40. And 6:45. At 6:50, I tell him he needs to come out, or I will come in to get him. He gets out at 6:55. He needs to be at school at 7:25- it's a 15 minute walk.

He gets dressed and starts to eat. He tells me he's sick, can't go to school. I don't buy it. I'm sure it's possible that he's getting a cold, as well, but I know him well enough, that if he was really sick, he wouldn't have gotten out of bed, or if he had, he would have told me sometime before I had to bang on the bathroom door a million times to get him out of the shower. He was tired and didn't want to go to school. So, I tell him he needs to go to school, if he was really sick, he would have said something, not stayed up half the night, not spent half the morning in the shower not saying anything about it.

He starts yelling at me how I'm so "abusive" and I "don't give a crap about him" and how I "only care about myself, not him". I (as calmly as I can) point out to him that I do 99% of the things that need to be done around the house and pretty much give him free reign, and it's the law that I have to send him to school, so he's going to school. He tells me to "shut up".

I tell him that I know it's not the best time, but I'm telling him this morning so he has all day to digest it, 'cause I don't feel like arguing with him tonight (he very often clams I "never told him" when I'm telling him to do something or that he's lost a priveledge), so I tell him that this is the third time in a week that we've had similar arguments, I can't do this anymore. Tonight, he will have the computer off by 10, he will be in bed by 11, and he will no longer be allowed to shower in the morning, it must be at night, because I can't do this every morning.

He flips out on how I'm "abusing" him and how he wishes he lived with someone else, ANYONE else, and how maybe he should go into a foster home, he's gonna see what it takes for him to get put somewhere else. (This is not the first time he threatened that in the last couple weeks.) I pointed out that if he went into a foster home, he would not have the freedom he has at home with me- he WOULD have a definite bedtime, he WOULD have limited computer time, he WOULD have someone literally stand over him making sure his homework was done, he WOULD have daily chores, and once he decided that being away from me was not all that, it would be too late- they would have already taken legal custody of him and I would be lucky if I got a couple hours visitation every weekend, they would not let him come back, since it would be proven that "I couldn't handle him in his needs". I also pointed out that, with the baby on the way, for one child to be taken away from me because I'm unfit to take care of him, that would give the baby's father a very good legal standpoint to have the baby taken away from me as well, and put in his father's custody, even though the baby would grow up being abused being in his care. (I know, last part was a cheap shot, but my son is jeapordizing everything, intentionally. I need him to know that the repercussions will his EVERYBODY, not just me, who he's trying to punish.)

Then, my son told me to "shut up" again, and started telling me what a horrible Mother I am and how I don't deserve to be anyone's Mother. I told him he needs to stop speaking to me like that, he needs to stop disrespecting me. He kept doing it. So I told him that he has no computer when he gets home tonight (the computer is his obsession- he will play for 10+ hours if I let him). He told me I couldn't stop him. I told him that I might not know about computers, but that's even worse- if I have to take his computer apart, I might not take it apart the right way, I might accidently break it. He told me to watch my back- I'm not the only one who can destroy a computer. (We each have our own.) The he left for school.

This all happened in a 15-20 minute period. This (or similar) happens 4-5 times a week. My son is in therapy, but he believes he does not need it, he does not want it, and he's very close to outright refusing to go. I need to take time off of work and physically get him there, or he doesn't go. It has been implied by the school that if he does not go to therapy, that they will need to take "more aggressive action" on his behavior. (At school, that basically consists of refusing to do any schoolwork. At home, all bets are off.)

I don't know what to do with my son anymore. He's intentionally destroying our family- he knows what the repercussions will be. He doesn't care what happens to me, to the baby, to himself. I can't get through to him. He hates ME because his Dad left last December, because his life has changed so much, and I can't do anything about it.
post #2 of 18
Oh man. I have absolutely no advice... But I couldn't read and run. Big to you. I hope things turn around for the better soon.
post #3 of 18
What an absolute nightmare for you. I'm so sorry you're going through this. I'm really glad that you've found this community here at mothering, it sounds like you could use some support. And some of the mamas here will probably be able to give you really good advice

It sounds like its been a really stressful year for you, and probably for your son. He's acting out, and he definitely sounds mad at you, but I doubt very much that he hates you. You are just the only one around to be mad at. His defiance and outright rebellion is new, I take it? Since his dad left? Is his dad still involved at all?

Do you have anyone that can help you? Family? Brother, sister, father, uncle? If not, do you have access to a therapist who is familiar with both Asperger's and defiant/depressed behavior?

I strongly suggest getting yourself and your son to a therapist because it sounds like you're both trapped in a cycle of negativity- which is so hard to get out of even if you were feeling well and not dealing with the fallout of a breakup and financial issues. I know you are having financial issues, but are there resources through your son's school or community that you could access? What about your work?

My heart is breaking for you. I hope that you find some mental and emotional relief soon.
post #4 of 18
Hugs. It's a teen thing and hard to know how much the Aspie is coming into play. I'd have family meetings use a problem solving approach follow advice along the lines of talking so teens will listen etc. If you can't afford outside counseling check into services at school. We have CIS workers communities on schools here. Also some of the better clinics send counselors one day a week to certain campuses. If he's on spec ed and having issues at school also ask for a counseling assessment...
post #5 of 18
First, you are both in a very tough situation and no matter what, it is going to hurt and be hard at times.

Second, as the mom of a 14 year old, I am shocked at how much you are doing for your son. My son sets his alarm, often makes his own breakfast, gets himself totally ready for school etc.

It sounds like you do things for him out of guilt, and that reinforces the idea that you should feel guilty, so he heaps it on you. Any person, under the wrong circumstances, can wind up being cold and ungrateful towards a loved one if the person just keeps taking it and acting like they deserve it and perhaps at some point did in fact do something that legitimately hurt the other one.

I think your son needs couseling, in fact you both do. He sounds angry with you and I think that is totally normal. He has been twice abandoned and might blame you for that and needs professional help getting out those feelings in a constructive way.

You cannot be his dumping ground. That does not mean you get angry or mad, it means you get him help.

Many hugs to both of you, mama.
post #6 of 18
I have only a minute but didn't want to read without responding.
I agree with heartmama but want to add that, at his age and in the current situation, you should not be attempting to convince him of anything. IMHO, he's a child who should be able to do many things on his own AND who should be a lot more respectful.
He does sound angry, sounds a lot like myself at that age. Additionally, and you may want to keep the answer to yourself or think on it for a while, where did he learn to say the things he's saying to his mother? Did he experience you being spoken to inapropriately in the past? This was my situation as a child. My mother was physically, emotionally, and psychologically abused by more than one man in her life.
Sorry I can't add more right now. Gotta run.
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post #7 of 18
couldn't read and not offer a
post #8 of 18
I know this is going to sound very lame but I went to see Karate Kid (the new version) with ds and it kind of reminded me of how even older kids do this with moms. They will take out frustrations on her. Mom tries to discipline her kid to be respectful, and they won't cooperate, because it is about their childish feeling that mom is all powerful and should be able to take it.

This is where I hope you can find a counselor to help. Becuase in the film it is a teacher who helps a boy see his behavior is childish and immature. In real life, fathers often take aside older teens and help them get perspective that mom is not their dumping ground.

If there is no father, another adult needs to help your son reflect on his feelings and help him realize it is immature and pointless to think problems will go away if he takes them out on you. But it will be tough for you to teach him that lesson yourself, considering that you are both in pain, and his feelings are likely very complicated, and he might actually be holding back his real feelings, thinking he will just show his hurt with rudeness. ANd he might be right to think unleashing his deepest fears on a pregnant tired mom is a bad idea. He sounds really stuck, both of you do.

Does his school have counselors?
post #9 of 18
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It sounds like its been a really stressful year for you, and probably for your son. He's acting out, and he definitely sounds mad at you, but I doubt very much that he hates you. You are just the only one around to be mad at. His defiance and outright rebellion is new, I take it? Since his dad left? Is his dad still involved at all?
Yes, it's pretty new. He's a completely different kid than he was a year ago. It's started about a month after me and him had to move out, and has been slowly getting worse, though the last month and a half has been quickly getting worse. His Dad is still involved, but more like in an Uncle kind of way, not like a Dad kind of way. I do 100% of the actual parenting, now, and his Dad comes over about once a week, calls him or texts him a couple times a week as well.

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Do you have anyone that can help you? Family? Brother, sister, father, uncle? If not, do you have access to a therapist who is familiar with both Asperger's and defiant/depressed behavior?
All my family lives in MA, I'm in NY. He talks to my family on the phone sometimes, but it's really not enough. I try to get his Dad involved, but he's like a perfect angel when his Dad's around, so I tell his Dad what's going on, and his Dad looks at me like I've got two heads. (His Dad is also in complete denial that his breaking up the family has negatively affected anyone at all- his daughter is "thriving", my son "is alright, but I probably need to be more strict with him", and even I'm "doing okay- see, I even got to have a baby, which would never have happened if he'd stayed with me".)

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I strongly suggest getting yourself and your son to a therapist because it sounds like you're both trapped in a cycle of negativity- which is so hard to get out of even if you were feeling well and not dealing with the fallout of a breakup and financial issues. I know you are having financial issues, but are there resources through your son's school or community that you could access? What about your work?
Through my son's school, I've found a therapist who will accept my son for $20 a month, though I really can't afford it anymore, and I may have to stop. (I know, I know, but it's food or therapy!) She's unfamiliar with Asperger's though, and he's in complete rebellion about going- I literally have to plan it for my early days at work, then physically escort him to the appointment, or he skips out.

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Second, as the mom of a 14 year old, I am shocked at how much you are doing for your son. My son sets his alarm, often makes his own breakfast, gets himself totally ready for school etc.
Like I said, he's a completely different kid than he was last year. Last year, he was about 90% self sufficient in every way- did his own laundry, cooked his own meals, had actual chores- but he is taking advantage because he knows I can't physically make him and I no longer have his Dad for backup. And those were all things he used to do, since he was 9 or 10 years old, now he won't. It's like I'm taking care of a toddler, and he has no problem with going the entire summer refusing to do laundry, and showers and deodorant iffy these days. That's NOT the kid I raised.

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Additionally, and you may want to keep the answer to yourself or think on it for a while, where did he learn to say the things he's saying to his mother? Did he experience you being spoken to inapropriately in the past?
He experienced my sister talking like that to her children for many years. I try to keep the contact on that level to a minimum, but that's all I can think of. I was in an abusive relationship twice, before- once, with his Biological Father, but that was over when my son was 13 months old, and once, recently (this baby's father), but that guy was very slick- he made sure nothing was ever said in front of my son- no witnesses. For 9 years, he watched my soon-to-be ExHusband and I talk respectfully and affectionately towards eachother and make a point of never arguing in front of either child, right up to the day we moved out.

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This is where I hope you can find a counselor to help. Becuase in the film it is a teacher who helps a boy see his behavior is childish and immature. In real life, fathers often take aside older teens and help them get perspective that mom is not their dumping ground.
That's exactly the role his Dad used to play, but his Dad stopped being a "parent" last December, and that's when I started seeing the real difference.
post #10 of 18
Personally, I'd stop doing everything for him. If you're worried the school will call CPS, let them know what you're doing in advance. Stop getting him up, stop reminding him to have showers or use deodorant, stop doing his laundry or making him food. Just stop. He's taking advantage because you're letting him. You maybe can't make him do these things, but the consequences of NOT doing them will eventually make him do them. Especially the social consequences. I'd imagine a few times of his peers making comments would get him back into doing the things he should be doing. And a detention or 2 for skipping/being late will help him see the problem with staying up until 1 & not getting ready in time.

Yeah, I'm sure he'll be angry with you for it, but he's already angry, you doing all this stuff he should be doing for himself clearly isn't making him less angry and it's wearing you out. May as well make him do for himself & get a bit of rest for youself if he's going to be angry either way.
post #11 of 18
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Personally, I'd stop doing everything for him. If you're worried the school will call CPS, let them know what you're doing in advance. Stop getting him up, stop reminding him to have showers or use deodorant, stop doing his laundry or making him food. Just stop. He's taking advantage because you're letting him. You maybe can't make him do these things, but the consequences of NOT doing them will eventually make him do them. Especially the social consequences. I'd imagine a few times of his peers making comments would get him back into doing the things he should be doing. And a detention or 2 for skipping/being late will help him see the problem with staying up until 1 & not getting ready in time.
I've tried that. He has Asperger's, so he doesn't "get it" when the other kids make comments, it just makes him more depressed because he thinks everybody hates him. He already has no outside friends. And letting the school issue go, I tried that at the end of last year when things weren't so bad, and all that got me was the Guidance Counselor and the Principal giving me veiled threats on how if I'm "unable to control him" and "unable to make him get to school when he needs to and do his school work and homework" (and get him a therapist, which I did), then they will be "forced to take alternate actions". I'm all out of ideas, I've already tried everything I can think of.
post #12 of 18
You might want to check out Love and Logic for Teens. You can probably get it at your library. I don't have experience with Aspergers so I don't know if a blunt talk about the situation would help but it might. My dd is bipolar and can act like this sometimes. We had some blow up fights with her treating me in a similar way and I asked her if she thought she should go inpatient and she said it would be a vacation from me so I said fine and took her. She was in for five days and no longer thinks everywhere but in my presence is better. Is there a reason you don't qualify for state medical for your son?
post #13 of 18
He really sounds depressed, and I get that you are not willing to completely ignore this and let him wallow in filth.

I think he clearly needs counseling but until that happens the only thing you can control is your own mental attitude. This sounds like a crisis situation and I tend to revert to a "First, do no harm" attitude in a crisis. It won't solve all problems but it might have more impact than you believe and certainly might reduce your own stress level. So my view might be: If you DO choose to do a thing for him, then do it willingly. Accept that you are doing it because you CHOOSE to do it-it is okay to say 'I am going to do this, and since I am doing it, I am going to have a positive attitude'. I think that feels better in terms of the energy and vibe between two people, than to do a thing with the mindset "I have to do this for him or else".

I know this is not an actual solution but as a survival tactic during a crisis, it can do wonders for your own mental stability.



(and please keep trying to find counseling for one or both of you).
post #14 of 18
Oh man. You must be exhausted. You might get more applicable advice if you put this in Special Needs parenting -- there are lots of aspie parents on there. I think you're 100% right that waiting for the impact of social consequences for an aspie kid is just not going to work.
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Oh man. You must be exhausted. You might get more applicable advice if you put this in Special Needs parenting -- there are lots of aspie parents on there. I think you're 100% right that waiting for the impact of social consequences for an aspie kid is just not going to work.
You know...I agree. It feels like the teen board is where I should come for help with my dd but, honestly, the stuff that people here do for their teens just doesn't apply to mine. I really hope you can get him state insurance because the only people that have been able to understand my position are the psychiatrist and psychologist and that's only after seeing them for a while.
post #16 of 18
Just putting this out there since you say DS is aspie... have you read the Tony Atwood books? They should be available at most libraries-or you can order them to be delivered for p/u at your branch.
Has your DS been formally dx as Aspie?
What is the school doing to help your DS? Does he have an IEP? Is the guidance office helping him, offering counseling (before/after school) etc...
I agree that your DS needs to do his own laundry, get up, be responsbile, aspie or not.

You and DS need to have a 'come to jesus' talk. thats what we call them around here... Lay it all on the line, put things in writing, make a 'family contract', do whatever you need to do as a parent of a teenager to make that house liveable again.

For example
1. Ds is responsible for getting to school on time. If you are late mom will not write you an excuse or vouch for you when the school calls.
2. If you have to stay after school for detention mom will not come and pick you up, you need to walk home or take the city bus
3. you will shower EVERY DAY
4. You will do your own laundry
5. you will make your own breakfast and lunch
6. you will attend every scheduled therapy session and be an active participant in those sessions.
7. you will do chores at the house
8. you will treat your parents with respect
9. computer hours are xx:xx-xx:xx
10. quiet house hours are xx:xx-xx:xx
11. dinner as a family at 6pm at the kitchen table m w f
12. church on sundays at 9am

that is just an example of something you may want to give to DS and make non-negotiable. Of course you need to change 1-12 to fit your family.

My son is 10 and while we dont have a written contract he is fully aware of my expectations. He now does his own laundry. He liked to 'save' it all for me until he was out of everything and I had like 6 loads of DS stuff... NOT FUN... so now DS does his own wash... I taught him how to sort clothes, what clothes need to be hung up and what can go in the dryer. How to fold stuff, what goes in the closet etc... He came down off that high horse rather quickly.
Now if I am doing laundry and have room for more items I will toss stuff in but for the most part DS does his own.
post #17 of 18
Is he insured?
Does he have an IEP?
Have you checked on alternative high school programs?
Do you have family counseling where You can talk together to create plans and consequences?
Does his father pay child support?
Have you thought about cutting out Stepdad all together?

My Aspie is 13. He is a handful right now.
post #18 of 18
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Just putting this out there since you say DS is aspie... have you read the Tony Atwood books? They should be available at most libraries-or you can order them to be delivered for p/u at your branch.
Yes, I've read them several times.

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What is the school doing to help your DS? Does he have an IEP? Is the guidance office helping him, offering counseling (before/after school) etc...
I agree that your DS needs to do his own laundry, get up, be responsbile, aspie or not.
The school is doing the best they can, but I've been the one to educate most of them about Asperger's. They do have several other children with Autism, and I think two other children with Asperger's. Mainstreamed. Since my son is the most "normal" of them all (he can completely hide 99% of his quirks in public), I have had to remind them several times that he does have special needs.

He has an IEP, has had one since he was diagnosed at 11. It doesn't work perfectly, but for the most part, it keeps him in check.

The Guidance office last year offered him a counseling period during the school day. He just switched from the Middle School to the High School, so he doesn't have anything set up yet for this year. (We're only two weeks in.) His Guidance Councelor from last year has been in contact with his Guidance Counselor this year and they're working on how best to do it. Also, his Guidance Counselor from last year was the one who set my son up with his weekly therapist (not through the school, but pulled some strings, so we get a major discount).

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Lay it all on the line, put things in writing, make a 'family contract', do whatever you need to do as a parent of a teenager to make that house liveable again.
We're planning one. We were supposed to have one Friday night, but we were both sick, and then we were busy all day Saturday and he already has plans today. It's tenatively rescheduled for tomorro night. I gave him a heads-up on it, because I don't like them to be all me telling him "you do this, you do that, etc". Nothing shuts him down faster than that. I told him there were things I needed him to do around the house that I will be discussing with him and if there's anything he needs to talk about with me, to think it over for the next couple of days, so he'll be ready to talk as well.

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Is he insured?
Does he have an IEP?
Have you checked on alternative high school programs?
Do you have family counseling where You can talk together to create plans and consequences?
Does his father pay child support?
Have you thought about cutting out Stepdad all together?

My Aspie is 13. He is a handful right now.
He is insured through my soon-to-be ExHusband.

He has an IEP that's redone at the end of every school year.

He's in the best public high school in the area, unless I have the money to send him to a private school. That's part of the reason why I'm in the financial situation I'm in now- living in the expensive town paying the expensive rent, instead of the less expensive town sending him to the crime ridden high school. Unfortunately, with finances the way they are, I may have to move him out of the school district when my lease is up, anyways, and I still have not come up with a better plan for him then. (No, they will not let him stay in the school if we move out of town.)

He has counselings sessions by himself and then I join them about once a month so we can discuss things together.

Does his Biological Father pay child support? That's a good question. He's unemployed, has been for years, has daughter, is supported by his Wife. Every once a year or two, I get a big payment, somewhere around a thousand dollars. I'm not sure how they're getting it from him. I get it through the state, and the state pretty much just shrugs their shoulders when it's been awhile and I'm trying to find out what's going on.

I don't know why you would suggest me cutting out his StapDad. He is the only Dad my son has ever known. My son knows there's no biological link, but in his head and in his heart, that's his Dad. Same with his stepsister- she's his sister.
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