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I have not slept in 10 months

post #1 of 20
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My baby daughter will not sleep. I have been trying to get her to sleep for 10 months now. We have tried everything. She wakes my other kids up several times/night. They are exhausted too. My husband is exhausted. Our house is in complete chaos. I cannot take it anymore. My marriage is in jeopreody, I am having problems taking good care of my other 3 children very well. I forget to pay bills. I'm too tired to clean the house. I have blown off all my friends b/c they all tell me that their kids slept through the night at ...fill in blank. I hardly speak w/my family. We don't go out. We don't make love. My other children are tired and cranky. We all bicker. I am having major hip problems from walking her 22 pound body for hours every night. I find myself often putting videos on so that I don't have to engage with my other kids. I feel old, ugly and fat. I cannot exercise and I eat all day/night. I can never nap or catchup on sleep. My hair is starting to fall out. I cry all the time. I'm basically a wreck.

I have 3 other young children and I know that the sleep issue can be challenging. None of my other kids slept well during the first year, but I've never seen or heard of a child that doesn't sleep like this. Neither my husband or I have gotten more than 4 hours sleep/night for 10 months. We have been trying to get this child to sleep since 7:00pm this evening (5 hours now). Last night, she was up from 11:15 until 4:00 in the morning. The night before from 10:30pm until 5:00 am. And so on. She is now refusing naps during the day. She is hell at night time. Frankly, I do not know how she is managing on so little sleep. I worry about her brain development/growth because she HAS to be sleep deprived.

We have co-slept w/her which resulted in LESS sleep because all she did was cry in the bed when we tried to sleep. She does better in the crib, but still wakes up. Tonight she tried to play the "where's mommy's nose game for 2 hours." I have resorted to swaddling her tightly so she cannot play/move her arms legs, which seem to keep her from going to sleep. Yes, I am swaddling a 10 months old. I walk, rock, nurse, sing, bounce. I have talked relentlessly to her pediatrician who says we should let her CIO. There is nothing physically wrong with her that she just wants to hang out with us. I have taken her to the chiro, massage therapist and cranial sacral therapist. I have treated her homeopathically. I have given her advil, despite my beliefs about these kind of pain killers, thinking that her teeth my be causing her pain. It's getting worse every night. NOTHING works.

I am really losing it and am at the end of my rope. My son's 5th birthday party at school is tomorrow and I am dreading having to go and smile and be friendly. The baby ruins all of our family events for me.

I am really starting to resent this baby. I constantly think about how great our lives would be if we hadn't had her. I think that maybe we were too greedy wanting a fourth child and this is payback. I feel so bad for my other children because they are getting such a bad mother. I feel guilty for wishing my dd's "babyhood" away. I have always loved the infant stage but now I just cannot wait until this is over. I am afraid that this is ruining my future relationship with her. My husband and I barely utter a kind word to each other. We were too tied up with the baby to even acknowledge our 11 year anniversary. Last week I forgot whether my toothbrush was the green one or if it was my husbands. Today I fell asleep at a redlight while driving my kids to school. I cannot tell you how many meals I've burned. My day-to-day responsibilities are suffering. I feel like I can just barely make it through the day.

I'm not sure why I'm writing this. I guess I just feel so very alone and I cannot handle this anymore and I see no light at the end of the tunnel.

If anyone has any advice, I would love to hear it.
post #2 of 20
Oh, mama.

I'm so sorry you are having such a tough time. I had a mini meltdown tonight as well and my sleep issues are not nearly as challenging as yours.

I don't have any solutions other than is there someone else that can come and stay over with the baby once in a while so you can get some sleep?

And also, know that you're not alone!
post #3 of 20
mama. Something doesn't sound right to me. How many hours total in a day of sleep is she getting? If it isn't enough, despite your efforts, I would definitely seek the help of another doctor. Something isn't right. Is she happy during her wakeful periods? Have you looked into reflux or food allergies? What about sensory issues?
post #4 of 20
The being boring is a good one... also are you ingesting caffeine, either in soda, coffee, tea or chocolate? If so, it is going through the breastmilk... the only other thing I can think of is food intolerance. Food colorings (f d & c 40... blue lake, etc)is the number one thing based on the sleeplessness, that the child ingests directly, or you do and pass on through the milk. Next I would think HFCS. If you are ingesting any artificial sweeteners like aspartame, that could be it too. The last thing that I can think of that would affect sleep would be dairy. Either ingested directly by child, or again through your milk.

I agree that you are past the point of sleep deprivation right now. Is there a mother that could come and take care of baby, bringing her in to latch on when she asks or shows signs of wanting breast? If no person outside family is available, then tag team with your hubby. He will take her from 6-10 am, only bringing her in to latch on as you sleep, staying in room as she eats, then removing her back to the living area, then give him 4 hours uninterrupted at night.... if he has to, let him put in earplugs while you keep her in living room.

Are you WOHM? If you do not have to keep any sort of schedule short of driving other children to school, I would suggest letting go of the notion of 'we must sleep at night'. Sleep whenever you can. Maybe ask someone else to drive your other children to school and pick them up for a week.

If you cannot get your mother, or a friend or another MDC mother (you could post in your tribal area and maybe get lucky), and your husband is not able to give you 4 hours or more of sleep in a day... I would suggest taking the baby to a drop off center for a few hours. I know I wouldn't want to do it, but if it was as extreme as burning food all the time and falling asleep at lights, I would definitely consider it. we have a crisis nursery here and you can drop the baby off if you need to.

I am curious too, how much sleep is she getting in a day? If it is consistently less than 14 hours in a 24 hr period, and your ped is not concerned, I would look for another health professional, perhaps an ND. That is a serious thing, babies need sleep and I would think it is a health issue that deserves an explanation. But really, look into the foods I listed above and get some sleep.
post #5 of 20
I have to echo the others. Do anything you can to catch a few nights sleep and then make a plan. Sleep clinic, dr to evaluate, I would add an OT evaluation. My child had horrible sleep, although not as bad as yours, and I swear OT changed our lives.
post #6 of 20
There is a time and place to take a child in for a sleep study/analysis, and mama, I think you are in that place. I have two horrible sleepers, and I know what chronic sleep deprivation does to a person, but you sound miles past. It looks like there are a couple sleep disorder clinics in your area (http://www.sleepcenters.org/Centers.aspx?state=MN) and at worst, they can tell you "Nope, normal" and then you can go from there. At best, they are going to help you help your daughter to sleep. Things WILL get better. make some calls today.
post #7 of 20
I'm so sorry mama, big huge hugs and hopes for sleep!

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post #8 of 20
I went through it for a year... Ds1 would cry and scream and flail ALL NIGHT some nights, other nights he'd only be up to nurse every hour. Sleep deprivation is a kind of torture for a reason, as I found out. I had a few times I quit driving for a couple weeks because i didn't trust myself to make it.

First, fyi... Ds *usually* sleeps through the night now. He's 3... he got better when we night weaned so he was only up a couple times a night, and it was like that until he was past 2 1/2, so it's actually fairly recent that he sleeps *all* night, but as I'm sure you can imagine, only waking a couple times a night was *so* much better, that I considered it good enough, for the most part).

I'd look into food sensitivities. Dairy, gluten/wheat, soy, what have you. Ds seems to be doing a lot better now that we quit dairy, but not sleeping can be one of the signs. Also consider having her evaluated for sensory issues... my "bad sleeper" is now showing some clear sensory issues that he didn't as an infant, and I'm thinking it may have been related.

And look into what supplements you might need to support your adrenals through this stressful time... I'm battling adrenal fatigue over here, and looking back, I'm thinking it started then... sleep deprivation is brutal.
post #9 of 20
I was sleep deprived for the first 6 months of my son's life. I learned a trick when he was a toddler, but I wish I knew about it when he was younger.

Find a small safe bedroom, and put blankets & pillows on the floor. Have lots of baby toys, and nothing dangerous for her to get into. Then, you can lie on the floor with her, and get a little shut-eye while she crawls and plays. That's what I do if I am ever exhausted during the day.

Get any sleep you can, whenever you can. During the day, afternoon, whenever. I hope you can find some kind of relief. Don't feel bad for having such feelings either. I waited 7 years between children, because I had it so rough with my son. I never wanted another baby again lol!
This time will pass, and you & your family will make it through. I know it is probably the last thing on your mind, but try to "reconnect" with your husband if you know what I mean. (DTD) Even if you don't feel like it, just give it a try. You could use a dose of oxytocin!
post #10 of 20
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Originally Posted by BeckyBird View Post
I was sleep deprived for the first 6 months of my son's life. I learned a trick when he was a toddler, but I wish I knew about it when he was younger.

Find a small safe bedroom, and put blankets & pillows on the floor. Have lots of baby toys, and nothing dangerous for her to get into. Then, you can lie on the floor with her, and get a little shut-eye while she crawls and plays. That's what I do if I am ever exhausted during the day.
I second this. Until you can find a better solution or figure out what's going on with your LO, try this. It helped me very much when I was going through an illness that included extreme fatigue. Her small bedroom was made completely childproof, it was practically a padded room, lol
My DD enjoyed crawling over me and I put interesting things in the room like kitchen stuff that she could play with as well as her own toys. I just laid down and passed out and she was fine. She would come poke at my face if she needed to eat or something.

thinking of you...
post #11 of 20
Mama, I went through four years of heck with DS1, but it was NOTHING compared to what your DD is doing. DS2 occasionally has nights where he's wide awake for a couple of hours, but 1) it's occasional, like 1 x / month and 2) it's never more than 2 hours.

I would take your daughter to the doctor ASAP. Get her tested for allergies, for reflux (apparently it can manifest itself quite late), I would totally get a sleep study done. Driving when you're so tired you fall asleep at a red light means you are in a serious danger zone and you need help, like, yesterday. Not to be overly dramatic, but driving when you are that tired is putting your life, the lives of your children and others *at risk*.

Call your ped / doctor today. Or Monday. But please don't wait, this sounds way more serious than typical young babies' sleep problems.
post #12 of 20
How are you doing today? I've been thinking about you all and hoping for some sleep/peace for your family.

One thing that jumped out at me on my third reading of your post was that swaddling seems to help. Have you considered Sensory Processing Disorder? (here's another spd group too)

My dd2 was diagnosed with SPD at her 1 year dr visit and started therapy shortly after that. Having that diagnosis seriously saved our family... dd1 had been "high needs" in the sort of Dr Sears high need baby model but dd2 was off the charts! She cried nearly non-stop if I wasn't holding her. And big shrill bones broken blood dripping screams, not little annoyed baby cries either. She wouldn't let dh or anyone else touch her unless she was in my arms. I eventually had to leave my job in order to stay home in large part because she would scream till she threw up and passed out if I wasn't there... and she'd wake up and start screaming again if I was still absent. It was hell. I changed my diet to eliminate potential allergens, I had a high needs 2yo who felt (and was) abandoned in the quest to silence dd2's crying, I'd had a 4th degree tear with dd2's birth and had a lot of pain and limited mobility for several months, I was WOH and tandem nursing/pumping, DH and I were on the rocks because I didn't have any energy for him and he felt helpless to do anything for dd2, I could count the minutes each day when I wasn't holding dd2 or when she wasn't crying.

And the drs for the whole first year kept telling me it was normal. Oh, it's colic. Oh, it's early seperation anxiety. Oh, it's late seperation anxiety. And so on. Finally I had dh use my phone to tape a few moments of dd2's reaction to my stepping into the bathroom. She went from smiling and interacting with her sister and DH to screaming and throwing herself against the bathroom door before collapsing into sobs all within a minute... and she kept sobbing till I opened the door and picked her up. I showed it to her dr at the 1 year visit and finally, FINALLY, she said "Huh, no, that's not normal".

Anyway, SPD is a condition where a person's brain has difficulty interpreting sensory stimulation. There is a lot of great info out there now (Raising a Sensory Smart Child, The Out of Sync Child, Parenting a child with sensory processing disorder, Not Just Spirited: A Mom's Sensational Journey with Sensory Processing for some BTDT emotional support). SPD is treated with therapy (not medication) and it does take time but it was far and away the best thing that happened in dd2's first year... having a diagnosis and a way to move forward as a family was huge.

Oh, and the swaddle thing? Many children with SPD find that a swaddle or weighted blanket helps them orient themselves... a weighted blanket (sort of like the lead blankets they use for xrays?) helped my dd2 sleep without being held for the first time in months! And they even make weighted vests for children who need that extra sensory input all the time. So do ask... it may be part of the solution for your family too!
post #13 of 20
Wow I am right there with you. I don't really have any advice, just commiseration. I was so desperate that i stopped drinking caffeine to see if that was causing DSs inability to sleep. It helped a bit I suppose. But really, all he wants to do is play, toss, turn, suck on my nose, etc for hours before he sleeps. It seems to have gotten worse lately, he's 10 months like yours.
post #14 of 20
You know, Wombatclay, that doesn't sound so far off from Ds1... however, he was fairly laid back for the first 6 months, it was after that that he exploded into freak-out-dom. We had him evaluated and he has some minor sensory issues, so maybe that would explain why it wasn't to the extent that you mentioned (and also why it's taken us so long to realize it)...

Seems like it's definitely worth you getting your baby checked for it, OP. Certainly can't hurt. I assume Early Intervention will help a baby that's that young, right? They say the younger you catch it, the better.
post #15 of 20
Thread Starter 
You mamas are so amazing and nice to offer so much support and great advice. And, I'm sorry that I haven't gotten back to you sooner with an update, but I've been so busy....SLEEPING! Yes, I cannot believe it. I think that we may have bottomed out when I wrote my post last Thursday night. On Friday, I put her to sleep at 7:30 and sat in my bed waiting for her to wake up 45 mins later, but I fell asleep at 8:22. The next thing I knew, she was waking up and it was 12:30!!!!! I nursed her and she IMMEDIATELY fell back to sleep and even motioned to get back into her crib at around 1:00. Then, if that wasn't amazing enough, she slept until 6:30 am!!! She has NEVER had a stretch of sleep that long (nor have I, frankly) since birth. And, I hate to jinx myself, but every night since she's awakened only once or twice and it has taken little to no rocking and no swaddling to get her back to sleep. I am feeling human again.

And, now that I am feeling better, I am able to think with some clarity about her and her sleeping. My theory is that she is gassy. VERY gassy. She literally cannot stop squirming in my arms when I would put her to sleep. She'd squirm in her bed. I'd burp and do belly massage w/marginally helps, but she was still uncomfortable.

We eat a fairly pristine diet around here. Grass fed, pastured, non-processed, no caffeine, low sugar, low dairy, mostly organic, no artificial ingredients etc.

I feel that this problem stems from nursing. She is NOT a good nurser and never has been. I've nursed 3 other children well into toddlerhood and have had great nursing relationships. This is not a great one. She nursing rhythm is kind of a suck, pull, swallow one. Needless to say, it is not comfortable for me at all. But as she pulls and swallows she pulls off my breast and takes in air. It is not unusually for her to pull off 20-30 times each nursing session. She also now "strong arms" me to help w/her push off, which makes this worse. I usually have one armed pinned behind me and I'm holding the other one away while applying pressure to her head to try to get her to stay latched on. Nursing her is much more of a battle then anything else. It's been disappointing to say the least since she is my last child and I anticipated nursing her for a longer time than I was able to nurse her siblings.

I've posted about this in the bfing section and no one had any advice, just support. I have contacted my herbalist this week to see if she can offer anything or recommend another lc, but she felt that this is more a physical issue, maybe palette and recommended an excellent cranial sacral therapist. I am going to call her this morning and hope it works.

There may be something to the sensory issue theory. I DO put the heaviest blanket I have on top of her and it does seem to calm her down. I swaddle her mainly because she squirms around so much and after 30 minutes or more of squirming, she is then awake and playing--grabbing at me, my nose, scratching the chair whatever. It seems like she cannot stop moving enough to fall asleep sometimes (but not this week!!). My ped (who is also a friend) tells me that she thinks my lo is fine and is just not a good sleeper. Some are/some aren't and I've been lucky in the past (remember none of my other kids slept well the first year and then became crazy good sleepers). She thinks I'm having adjustment issues to having 4 kids...

I'm going to seek out another more holistic family practitioner in the area and have had one recommended to me. I'll try to come at this at all angles while I am still rested...

I'll try to keep you updated and PLEASE continue to write me your nice words of encouragement. I've been feeling like a horrible mother and terrible person these last months and I've really needed and appreciated your support.
post #16 of 20
you know, Ds1 used to do that. I always said he was just a terrible nurser... and he was very gassy, too. But from what I understand, pulling back like that when nursing can be a sign of food intolerances/sensitivities, too. Just something to think about

Glad you're finally getting some sleep!
post #17 of 20
you are amazing mama! I don't think 10 months in I'd just start being unhappy with my baby. I don't know if I'd last 3 weeks.

Only advice, which isn't much is that DS gets really gassy when he has dairy and is very unhappy, cries and has a tough time sleeping. We are organic dairy only, but DS can't handle any (past occasional oops that was a tiny tiny tiny amount)

post #18 of 20
the pulling off during nursing can signal food intolerance, as well as reflux. My DS did that and would scream when the reflux was really bad. so glad things are getting a little better!
post #19 of 20
so happy for you, CT Mommy! i had been thinking about you all week and wondering if your situation lightened up a little, and i'm so glad! please keep us updated on what you find out, especially for us other sleep-deprived parents, hehe.
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