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toddler VS. kitten. yikes.

post #1 of 15
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we've lately adopted two stray kittens into our home. our exuberant two-year-old daughter adores them, but is unable to handle them properly.

we've always encouraged her to treat people and animals gently ('soft touch', etc), and demonstrate kind and affectionate ways of touching. we've had her sit in our lap with kitty to guide her hands. we've given her an egg to hold so she can understand how hard of a squeeze is too hard. we've tried showing and explaining what kind of touch the kitty likes, and how happy she is when she's touched softly. we've traded the kitty for a stuffed animal that she can rough-house with when she's in an excitable mood.

...all to little or no effect.

it's developing to a potential power struggle, which i want to avoid at all costs. she'll pick kitty up, tug her tail a bit....and when i reach out to remove the cat, she'll squeeze its neck in anger (at me, for attempting to take the cat away).

i'm seriously worried for the safety of the kittens, and have gone so far as to raise my voice in alarm (we try to express negative feelings calmly in our house, so that's a big deal for us!). we have considered quarantining the cats to a particular room, but we also think that teaching lark to be gentle with the cats, of her own voilition, is an invaluable lesson.

any advice would be quite welcome!
post #2 of 15
Kittens are so tiny and defenseless - I'd keep them separated from DD until they're old enough to hide/escape. She's so young and her impulse control just isn't there yet.
post #3 of 15
Can you re-home them? It sounds like a very dangerous situation for the kittens. Please don't let your daughter "learn" on them. I've known of way too many kittens to die from toddlers that I just don't think it's a good idea. At the very least, please don't let her be around them until they're bigger.
post #4 of 15
I'd keep them separate until the kittens and your daughter are a little older. It would be way too easy to seriously injure a kitten. She will still learn how to be gentle eventually. She's just not ready yet. Perhaps you could still do little visits where you are right there making sure she is being gentle if you think that would work. If there is any doubt though, I wouldn't risk it!
Both your daughter and the kittens will be at better ages to be around each other soon enough.
post #5 of 15
Cat bites and scratches are incredibly dangerous. If your daughter is manhandling the cats and gets bitten and/or scratched - she could be in for a massive infection. My SIL's cousin (an adult) was scratched and bitten by a wounded cat she was trying to help. She almost lost 2 fingers from the infection.

Second vote for re-homing the cats.

And please, in the future, do not adopt a pet until you are 100% sure you and your family are ready for it.
post #6 of 15
Thread Starter 
friends, thank you. i am on my way to get a door-gate tomorrow, and let little Lark see the kittys in supervised context. i think we will keep guiding her on the right way to touch the kittens...and by the time she 'gets it', the kittens will be more capable of evading her if she gets too excited! i feel good about this solution. thanks for advice and affirmation.
post #7 of 15
Thread Starter 
spottedfox, right on. i must admit that we took these kittens in fairly naively...found them stranded in a ventilation shaft, and could not but take them in. since i last posted here, we have been pestering all our local friends and have found a new home for one kitten, and onward with the plan to keep the other gated-off in it's own quarters (our flat has a spare room which we rarely use) until the DD learns the proper way to handle small beings. she is quite a docile cat and has been taken to vet. for all the neccessaries.....

i am still interested in hearing about experiences with integrating small pets into homes with toddlers, if anyone has stories to share.
post #8 of 15
Bless you, mama for recognizing the need, and taking the kitties in. Sounds like you're doing a great job...! I've seen too many mamas dump their cats as soon as they're pregnant. I think that the separation idea ( temporary ) sounds good. Kittens are not as delicate as they look, but they are fragile, and we don't want baby getting scratched. I always make sure when I take in kittens to foster that I touch their tummies a lot, to 'turn off' their paddling instincts. I did this with our four cats, and they will NOT bite or scratch even under some rather rough treatment by our son, from one 'til now.. he's four. He can pick them up in some seriously uncomfortable ways, and even poke them and they do not react. So, handling them without your daughter seems like a good idea. Not to be a party-pooper, as you re-homed one of the kitties, but two cats can be quite a good idea, not much more work at all, and they inevitably mellow each other out. ( I direct that more to anyone else that might worry in a similar situation..)

Good luck, whatever you choose to do.
post #9 of 15
oh, I forgot, always have an 'escape place ' that your daughter can't get to, for the kitty. Show her how she can win their affection, offering them treats or waving a feather rod type toy with a very long 'handle' Small dried fish are good treats to offer, less hygiene risk. 'Comfort Zone' spray can help calm the kitties, too. This is a super common problem, separate the kitty and you DD when she doesn't touch softly.
post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by Lupena View Post
oh, I forgot, always have an 'escape place ' that your daughter can't get to, for the kitty. Show her how she can win their affection, offering them treats or waving a feather rod type toy with a very long 'handle' Small dried fish are good treats to offer, less hygiene risk. 'Comfort Zone' spray can help calm the kitties, too. This is a super common problem, separate the kitty and you DD when she doesn't touch softly.
Kitty condos are excellent for this purpose as they give the cat a high place to which they can escape. If DD is a climber, though, this might not work.

We adopted an adult cat who had been used to handling. The first night, DS (age 3) tried to put him on his lap so he could read to him. The cat responded with a single pinprick which startled DS more than it hurt him. We got a kitty condo and put it in a corner behind a couch so the cat had his own private spot. Children were forbidden from that corner.
post #11 of 15
Keeping kitty and your DD seperated except for situation where you can directly supervise sounds like a great idea. She's just to young to properly understand how to treat the Kitty, and the kitty may be too young to extract itself and escape (and you certainly don't want kitty to be learning to be fearful or aggressive towards your daughter to get her needs met)

The kitty condo idea is good. Another idea is to install a cat door in a door to a little used room. I've seen people use a utility closet or the laundry room for this. Then you can keep the door closed, but kitty can escape through the cat door into the closed room if he needs some private time. You can also keep his litter box and food in there, which will help keep toddlers out of it!
post #12 of 15
I've always had cats, and we never really had any problems. But, the cats we had when I was a toddler were adults and very capable of getting into small spaces that we couldn't get to.

One thing that I would do, in addition to the separation, is that if she gets rough when you are supervising, put the cat "away" in her separate area.

Also, are the cats male or female? IME males are much more tolerant of being thrown around and manhandled for lack of a better word. Females, again, IME, are much more likely to want their own space and be left alone.
post #13 of 15
I agree that the kittens need a safe space to get away from your daughter and she should NOT be picking them up.

But, there may be some benefit to keeping both. I find having two cats, they have a much better bite/scratch inhibition from playing with each other than individual cats. (if one cat bites to hard during play the other one tells them off and won't play anymore) so even if they're fed up with DS they are still very gentle, claws retracted when swatting, soft open mouth bites and only if he's very rough (it's only happend 2 or 3 times in his entire life) Also, they can keep each other company so you might feel less bad keeping them seperated from the rest of the family for the time being.
post #14 of 15
I don't think I'd worry too much. In fact, I have been in the EXACT same position. When my daughter was about 1.5 we got two kittens from my mom... They were about 8 weeks old. My daughter ADORED them. She'd haul them around everywhere. Manhandling was ALWAYS an issue. There were man times when I was extremely worried about the welfare of the kitties. We also did our best to teach her about being gentle, but being a toddler won out most of the time. But after watching her, I'd see that the what looked like torture to me seemed to be fine for the kittens. Really, cats are resilient animals. Have you ever seen kitten on kitten, or mama cat on kitten play? Pretty brutal. Finnegan and Fergus would just relax in her arms(same way they relax when falling from high places, self preservation mode I guess) and when she would put them down they would either stay beside her or follow her if she left. She could place them on the floor, pile them under a stuffed animals and blankets, and they would stay and wait for her to unbury them. They actually liked the constant interaction, no matter how crazy it looked to me. Of course if it got TOO intense I'd intervene, but for the most part they were her little thump around ragdolls. Today they are the MOST affectionate and tolerant cats I have ever met(and I swear they didn't suffer brain damage*haha*)... You can still pick them up and smoosh them around in a way you'd think no cat would ever stand for, and they have never bitten or scratched anyone(other than each other*haha*). I say DD is my kitty whisperer, as we've never had better cats before these two.
post #15 of 15
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Originally Posted by Friday13th View Post
I find having two cats, they have a much better bite/scratch inhibition from playing with each other than individual cats. (if one cat bites to hard during play the other one tells them off and won't play anymore) so even if they're fed up with DS they are still very gentle, claws retracted when swatting, soft open mouth bites and only if he's very rough .
I think this is exactly what my DD did with Finn and Fergus... If they bit or scratched her she would, in effect, tell them off and they learned not to. Really, I don't think letting a child teach a cat not to misbehave is any different than being taught by another cat.

I realize I am the dissenting voice here, but honestly it worked out in everyone's best interest that my daughter handled them from an early age. They never suffered that I could observe. Now it might be different temperaments between kitties and kids here that accounts for the difference in our experiences... Truthfully my two little guys very rarely protested. If they did cry out I'd know that it was beyond what they could handle and I'd rescue them. But those times were few and far between.
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