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what is your child's elementary level Montessori classroom like?

post #1 of 6
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My DS just started at a new Montessori school this year and is in the lower elementary classroom. He just turned 6.

He went to a different Montessori school last year, was in a 3 to 6 year old class and loved it. I have Montessori certification for the 3 to 6 age group, and so have been really clear on what a 3 to 6 year old class should be like. While his school last year did some things that were "un-Montessori", it was an overall wonderful school and I am so happy he was able to go there. He loved it, I loved it and part way through the school year, HE asked if he could start staying the full school day instead of just the half day because "I just love doing work".

We are on week three at the new school, and he says pretty much every morning that he doesn't want to go to school, tries to negotiate different things ("maybe I could just go half days like some of the younger kids"), tells me pretty much every day that he is bored at school, etc. I feel so sad to see him go from loving school to dreading school.

There are a number of differences I see between the schools - the teachers at the last school were really warm and nurturing. The head teacher also had a wonderful sense of humor and just "got" my son. They were also a lot stricter and expectations were a lot higher. I think that the change in the school culture has been a hard adjustment for him. I get that we really lucked out with a wonderful school last year and we can't expect all teachers to be like his last teacher.

An equally hard adjustment, I believe, is the work they are doing at this new school. Everyone has an assigned desk, there is a lot of desk time, DS does between 3 and 5 worksheets/pages in a workbook a day, minimal use of the Montessori materials (really maybe only 1/3 of the stuff on the shelves is Montessori), they work from a work plan and the teacher writes down what they should do that day (so the kids don't choose their own work). To be fair, I am really trying to give this class the benefit of the doubt, especially because I am not trained in this age group and so I really don't know how an elementary Montessori class should function. My gut tells me it isn't authentic Montessori because it differs so much from the philosophy and psychology that I learned for the younger age group. I have a hard time imagining that the philosophy would move from allowing younger children to be self directed by choosing their own work to not allowing older children to do the same thing; or that despite all of the beautiful math materials I know are available, Montessori says that in this age group, worksheets are more beneficial; or that despite the emphasis on the importance of freedom of movement for the younger kids, being required to sit in a desk is better for this age group....

So I am curious how other Montessori elementary classrooms are run. Does your child have an assigned desk? How much time do they spend in their desk? Do they have a work plan that the teacher creates? Do they choose any of their own work? How much emphasis, if any, is placed on worksheets/workbooks? Or do they primarily use the Montessori materials to learn with? Do they have reading groups and spelling tests? Is there some major philosophical shift within the Montessori philosophy for this age group that I am not getting?!
post #2 of 6
s I'm no help. Our classroom is similar in ds's public school "Montessori" program, but I've learned that this is NOT what a lower el. classroom looks like. (You can read through some of my posts over the past 6 weeks and see what others have had to say on simlar subjects, if you want additional information to what people reply here.)

Matt just recently said in one of my posts: "Nobody ever learned to milk a cow with a worksheet." The materials should be used and explored similar to primary. The kids should choose their own work, although maybe with a bit more guidance about the variety of works they explore. They should not be required to spend most of their day in a chair.

Unfortunately, it seems like a lot of people have a hard time breaking out of "traditional" thinking - whether they are Montessori trained or not, evidently. I'd address some of these issues with the teacher. I can't say that it's made a lot of difference in my ds's class for me to have talked with the teacher, but she has made some changes.
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So I am curious how other Montessori elementary classrooms are run. Does your child have an assigned desk? How much time do they spend in their desk?
I only remember certain things about my lower elementary experience (I was young...what can I say?) I don't remember having a desk then. I did have my own desk in upper elementary, but that was more because we had our own stuff and that became our own work place if we wanted to use it. (There were plenty of places for group work as well if we chose to do that).

It wasn't used as a way to keep us sitting so the teacher could talk to us all day.

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Do they have a work plan that the teacher creates?
There are work plans, but the idea is to help them set goals and achieve them. It's not so the teacher can pass out assignments easily.

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Do they choose any of their own work?
Yes.

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How much emphasis, if any, is placed on worksheets/workbooks? Or do they primarily use the Montessori materials to learn with?
Primarily use Montessori materials. Worksheets have a function, but it's certainly not the main learning tool. The amount you're describing, unless it works with the Montessori materials as well, is just too much.

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Do they have reading groups and spelling tests?
I remember spelling tests, but pretty sure it wasn't part of the Montessori idea. It was something small-- 5-10 words or something like that. The teacher that did it was a nun who wasn't in the classroom all the time.

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Is there some major philosophical shift within the Montessori philosophy for this age group that I am not getting?!
There is a difference in the child's needs on many levels, but it's not that they need a more traditional form of education.
post #4 of 6
My lower elementary experience was only mostly montessori but here's what I remember:

- Yes on desks, we had our own supplies and kept them in our desks. We used our desks for written work (grammar symbols, handwriting practice) and smaller materials (bead frame, test tube division).
- Our teacher read to us for 15 - 30 minutes after lunch each day and we sat at our desks and colored or just chilled out. Other than that I probably spent another 30 minutes or so at my desk on average.
- We got to chose some of our own work. We had work plans but they were very tailored to each student. Some got specific work plans (do grammar box A3 and write down the answers). Others got less specific work plans(do a multiplication work). I'd say on average about 50% of our work came off work plans and 50% was totally free choice. We could chose when to do our work plan work and renegotiate the plan if we wanted to.
- We probably used worksheets/workbooks more than we should. We had handwriting workbooks (about 2 pages a week) and spelling workbooks (4 pages a week). The older kids (2nd and 3rd grade) were sometimes given math workbooks as well to practice doing problems without the materials (again about 2 pages a week). We also had a reading workbook some of the time.
- We used the materials almost exclusively in 1st grade. In 2nd and 3rd grades we didn't use the materials as much but used the same methods. With grammar, for example, we may not use the wooden symbols but would still draw the symbols as part of diagramming sentences. Or we'd do a math problem with the traditional algorithm on paper and check it with the bead frame.
- We had reading groups and spelling tests, both once a week. We used a basal reader (think dick and jane) for reading groups. Reading groups were fluid. Several students read ahead in the readers and moved up several "levels" in the course of a few weeks. After that we read novels and discussed them with the teacher. I liked that better.
- I don't think there's a major philosophy shift. There is more emphasis on imagination and more pencil and paper work but it still should be easily distinguishable from a traditional classroom.

I remember our classroom being more controlled early in the year and the teacher being stricter with newer kids. I think she wanted to make sure that everyone had classroom procedures down and she had assessed everyone. Its also common at some schools to start the year with mostly empty shelves and add materials as the teacher has time to give lessons on them. If its still early in the year you might want to ask the teacher if there will be more hands-on and more free choice in another few weeks.
post #5 of 6
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Thanks for the replies. I'm really bummed that this school isn't working out for DS. I really hate to see my kid go from absolutely loving school to crying everyday before school and apparently many days at school. I really want to not react hastily and explore the fact that I may just not be getting something about what is going on at this school....We are three weeks into the school year, and I have already had 2 one hour conferences with the teacher (the second one just on friday) - nothing is going to change. The more I talk to her, the more I feel like she must not really get the philosophy - but I am hung up on the fact that I haven't had the training for this age group so I don't know for sure. What she talks about is just so very different from my understanding of the philosophy, although at a different age level.
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No desks, no worksheets. There are tables, but not desks, and kids can work on the floor. In upper el there are more tables to work on, but kids can still sit on a couch or on the floor.

Its like children's house, but more in-depth, if that makes sense.
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