Silly Percentages - Page 2

[MoonJelly]

Originally Posted by jenP

... it's all about Dad being cut. It's always all about Dad being cut.

Yup.

[jenP]

Originally Posted by Minky

I know moms who wanted to EBF, but say they didn't because they thought their kids would be teased in preschool.

Okay, okay, LOL... I guess I have to give up my theory, then!

But still, if these parents are basing their feeding decision on wanting the child to fit in with peers, then they actually are choosing the "fitting in with peers" option, as very few preschoolers are still breastfeeding. I mean, the statistics are with them, so if "fitting in with peers" is what the parents want then they have, logically based on their own chosen criteria, picked the group to which most of the peers belong. At least there is consistency, you know?
With the circumcision scenario, parents say they are choosing circumcision so the child will "fit in with peers," but the statistics are saying that the peers will either be equally split or more intact, so where is the logic?? They say they are doing this so he will fit in with his peers, but then they are purposely putting him in the minority group? It would seem the decision is not based on logic after all...

Jen

[jee'smom]

re: "looking like dad"... when i was pg with ds, my dh insisted that he be circumcised... that HIS son WILL look like him!!! the fights were horrendous. one day mil told me that she can't say anything about my decision, as fil is intact!!! so the next day, when we started fighting about it again, i said to dh "well, you didn't look like your father." he said "what are you talking about?!!! my father is circumcised!!!" i said "uh... no he's not, your mom told me that he's intact... there goes THAT argument right out the window!!! your father is intact, and YOU NEVER EVEN NOTICED!!!"

my son was left intact, and he has never once asked dh why there is no extra skin around his penis. dh's penis looks SO different from his anyway, it's bigger and hairy all around it, ds doesn't even notices the lack of foreskin!

btw, to give hope to those out there "fighting this fight with their dh's"... mine one day out of the blue told me that "we don't have to do this. we don't have to get him circumcised. i respect you as a mother and all of the research that you put into this, and to be honest i know that i will get over it eventually if we don't do it, but i don't know if you'll ever get over it if we did do it."

[AFWife]

Originally Posted by jee'smom

btw, to give hope to those out there "fighting this fight with their dh's"... mine one day out of the blue told me that "we don't have to do this. we don't have to get him circumcised. i respect you as a mother and all of the research that you put into this, and to be honest i know that i will get over it eventually if we don't do it, but i don't know if you'll ever get over it if we did do it."

That was my experience too. Finally I just let it go and never mentioned it again and he randomly said, "Well, the best way to find out is to not do it." *shrugs* He just needed to work through it.

[fruitful womb]

Originally Posted by AFWife

That was my experience too. Finally I just let it go and never mentioned it again and he randomly said, "Well, the best way to find out is to not do it." *shrugs* He just needed to work through it.

YAY!!! That is great news!!!

[AFWife]

Originally Posted by fruitful womb

YAY!!! That is great news!!!

I also pointed out to my DH (who later repeated it as a good thought ) that if you choose to not circ and it ends up being a problem or a "mistake" in your eyes you can always go back and circ. HOWEVER, if you circ and there's a problem or you feel like it was a mistake later you can't uncirc.

[MommaKitten21]

Originally Posted by AFWife

I also pointed out to my DH (who later repeated it as a good thought ) that if you choose to not circ and it ends up being a problem or a "mistake" in your eyes you can always go back and circ. HOWEVER, if you circ and there's a problem or you feel like it was a mistake later you can't uncirc.

I think that sums it up beautifully!!

[QueenOfTheMeadow]

I am returning this thread with significant trimming.

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[13Sandals]

What are the cautions against using the 33%?

http://mensnewsdaily.com/2010/08/17/...plunged-to-33/

According to this, its from the CDCs biggest ever review. The findings were released in Venice at the AIDS conference, but not here?

[buckeyedoc]

I really, really want to believe the 33%, but literally almost everyone here in the midwest circumcises, so it seems hard to believe that our regional ignorance is really balanced out by people in other parts of the country. I get the same confuzzled feeling from other parents online everywhere except the Western US. Maybe many people have it done by the ped after release from the hospital?

[13Sandals]

My oldest is in his teens and he was one of the only intact boys in our mommy group. Most had had homebirths and I was near Berkeley, CA at the time and they all circed. However, 3 years ago, I had another son while living in NYC and no one circed. Not one. I've had a few friends give birth to sons since, and they are all intact as well. I definitely see a change happening, in my world at least.

[Dan Bollinger]

Circumcision and peer pressure.

The circumcision decision is all about peer pressure. That's where the 'look like dad' and 'shower room' reasons come into play. We all know that circumcision doesn't offer any significant health benefits, if any at all. So if it isn't medical, then it must be cultural.

Therefore, what the culture is doing IS important to this discussion. The CDC says the current circ rate is 32%. That's important for parents to consider. Especially since circumcision rates rose as a result of peer pressure. Let's face it, cutting your kid is just a long-lived fad, a fashion that is thankfully old-fashioned. Think of it as your parent's body-mod.

[buckeyedoc]

Dan, I agree with you that it is all about parents fearing their son will be the "odd penis out", so as soon as intact becomes the norm in a given area, probably only religious circumcisions will remain.