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Should I fight if school "mandates" counseling?

post #1 of 9
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So, I teach at the private school both my dc attend. The younger is 5.5 and is finishing his first month of kindergarten. His teacher pulled me aside the other day, and told me she was going to ask for a "TM" (Team Meeting) about him-- in other words, a staff and parent sit-down about a student having "serious" problems of some sort at school.

The teacher is a good teacher and a lovely person, but can be a "bulldog" about wanting others to agree with/act on her opinions (I am not the only one who feels this way). I am concerned that she has developed a certain opinion of ds, and that nothing will change it-- not even reality!

She keeps saying he is "in his own little world," "needs to choose to be in this world," and similar. She compared him to another, older, child whom we have both had as a student-- unfavorably!

Ds and the child she compared him to are fairly similar in their intelligence and love of imaginative play (they are friends, in fact). The other child had trouble sitting still or being quiet for short periods even at the end of kindy (and still needs many, varied, accommodations during the school day). The child has a diagnosis (not one that would fit ds, I think) and a 504 plan. Still, the kindy teacher thinks that the other child is more grounded/attached to reality than ds!

According to the kindy teacher and the specialties teachers, ds has been doing his work-- and well. He needs a bit of finessing, or a firm hand, sometimes. Ds has gotten in minor "trouble" for not being on task or not keeping his hands to himself. She has brought up that he hums to himself (this is new). I have not gotten the impression from anyone that he is a disruption (more than any other kindergartener). I get to peek at his class at least once a day, and I haven't seen him causing problems, either. Fwiw, I have taught kindergarten myself, and would not have called a "Team Meeting" for a child acting like ds.

So, finally, here's the crux of the matter. Even though the teacher hasn't said this, I think it's ds' attitude that is bothering her. I tried explaining to her that he has anxiety (family trait , my older ds has a label), and that he reacts to anxiety by being grumpy/negative. Not all day, mind you-- mostly in the morning, and when confronted with things he doesn't like!

She is concerned that ds is reacting to stbx' and my separation. She knows that stbx can be a you-know-what, and thinks that if the school requires counseling, then stbx will have to get on board and pay up.

I'm not against counseling, mind you-- but I am against it being in my ds' school records that counseling was mandated for him. And while the separation was a big change, ds took it really well. He'd been happy as usual for 4 months after we separated; the anxiety started 2 weeks before kindergarten.

Also FWIW, I am not in denial about the possibility that ds needs counseling or has issues to be addressed at a Team Meeting. My older ds had one last year, and when the school wanted him assessed, I said "Where and when?" With my younger ds, though, I just don't see a problem.

Advice?
post #2 of 9
I would ask the teacher: What specific behaviors do you see that are disruptive to class or to his academic learning?

If she just doesn't like his 'attitude' or his dreaminess, then she won't be able to answer that. If there are specific behaviors, then you can follow up with "And how will counseling address these issues?"

Based on your description, I'm thinking they want him evaluated for ADHD.

Finally, is it worth expending the energy to fight it if they do want counseling? You might want to give it the vast eternal plan test. In the vast eternal plan, does it matter if your son's first grade record has that the school wants him to go to counseling? I don't ever remember anyone asking for my first grade records.
post #3 of 9
FWIW the school can't mandate counseling. I can understand why you would be concerned about pressure to do it. However, it sounds as if you son may be able to benefit from it, especially if he has anxiety issues. There are counselors that are very good at teaching kids effective coping skills to deal with anxious feelings.
post #4 of 9
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OP again. To clarify-- the school can't make me take him to counseling, but they can say he can't come back to school if he doesn't go.

It's not the counseling part that bothers me. I'm fine with that. Two things bother me: the potential for ordering counseling based upon ds' teacher's perception that stbx will only help pay for it if it's mandated, and her (to my mind) overinflated concerns about ds' behavior.
post #5 of 9
I wouldn't sign up for counseling or anything else, but I would get an assessment by an outside psychologist and go from there. S/he might say the teacher is crazy. He might say that your child needs counseling. S/he might say something else entirely.

I got a lot of reports from DS#1's teacher in his first year that he was having problems or causing problems or was a problem. (I was never sure which.)

I took him for an assessment from an outside psychologist who I trusted and who was highly recommended.

It was the best thing I ever did. It wasn't what I feared (autism spectrum) or what I hoped (gifted in the wrong school environment with the wrong teacher). DS#1 has mixed expressive receptive language disorder. Speech therapy is doing wonders for us.
post #6 of 9
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Originally Posted by LynnS6 View Post
I would ask the teacher: What specific behaviors do you see that are disruptive to class or to his academic learning?

If she just doesn't like his 'attitude' or his dreaminess, then she won't be able to answer that. If there are specific behaviors, then you can follow up with "And how will counseling address these issues?"

Based on your description, I'm thinking they want him evaluated for ADHD.

Finally, is it worth expending the energy to fight it if they do want counseling? You might want to give it the vast eternal plan test. In the vast eternal plan, does it matter if your son's first grade record has that the school wants him to go to counseling? I don't ever remember anyone asking for my first grade records.


Honestly, I've been a high school teacher and really--no college is looking at their entire school record. Beyond that, nobody's even looking at a snapshot of it. Except CPS if you ever wind up in their hands for some reason.

BUT, if it's neither disruptive to the class nor impeding his learning, I wouldn't bother. I'm sure she may try to come across as having concern for the "whole child" (a freedom they have in a private setting) but I'd really be interested in understanding why she has a problem with him having an imagination and really, just being a boy. I'm very sensitive to the "young boys should behave more like young girls" bias among teachers and it's a huge part of why I'm homeschooling my son (who is without question ADHD, btw).


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Originally Posted by darien View Post
OP again. To clarify-- the school can't make me take him to counseling, but they can say he can't come back to school if he doesn't go.

It's not the counseling part that bothers me. I'm fine with that. Two things bother me: the potential for ordering counseling based upon ds' teacher's perception that stbx will only help pay for it if it's mandated, and her (to my mind) overinflated concerns about ds' behavior.


They can boot him if everyone's in agreement about it and because it's a private school, I'm not really sure there's much you could do about it.

I'm also VERY disturbed by this teacher using your personal situation to manipulate you into agreement.
post #7 of 9
Its a private school, so they can do pretty much any thing they like.

I find the whole thing very odd, though, and my sn DD has some mental health issues. I've never heard of a school "mandating" counseling, but rather working with the school counselor or social worker to help kids over rough spots without any paper work. Seeing the social worker is available to ALL kids, even those with no dx, no 504, no IEP.

I guess if they call a Team Meeting, you gotta go, but I'd ask a lot of questions like "on what grounds?" I'd ask how his work is and how the situation is effecting other students.
post #8 of 9
The counseling is ultimately up to you, but I would certainly be asking to what end would the counseling be done? What is the goal? Is it a shared goal by you and the teacher? Is it a developmentally appropriate expectation, etc?

I would also be very wary of what is actually entered into your child's school record. No one may ever ask to see your elem school records when you are an adult, but records follow kids around.
post #9 of 9
Having a disagreement with a teacher would be tough for any parent, but that you're also a teacher at the school must make it especially hard. This maybe too strong a word but I think I'd feel kind of assaulted. I'm sorry you're having to deal with it.

It sounds like this teacher is basing the mandate on her interpretation of your personal situation, on her opinion of your stbx. And it sounds like she's come to this opinion based on your relationship as co-workers, not on what she knows from being DS's teacher. If so, this strikes me as unprofessional. Unacceptably co-dependent. Odd.

If she wanted to be collegial/helpful she could have said "I think your DS would benefit from counseling, but given what you've shared about your situation I'm concerned about how you'll pay for it. Would it be helpful to you if we mandate it?"

Still, since you like the school and want to stay there--and because it cannot hurt him to do it--I'd agree to counseling. But tell them you don't want it "mandated," and the payment issue is none of their business. You can tell them you don't completely agree with the teacher's assessment of DS's behavior or disruptiveness, but you know separation/divorce is a big deal for kids and you welcome getting DS additional support.

It won't do your DS any harm to talk to a counselor. S/he may agree that the things the teacher has flagged are not valid, but may help prevent him from internalizing the divorce as his fault, or otherwise developing the self-limiting ideas kids can get when faced with life changes. Some of these issues don't become apparent for years. Getting feelings out now may prevent problems down the road.

Also, you can share your concerns that the teacher is overreacting to certain behaviors. Perhaps the counselor will turn out to be an ally in educating the teacher/school about working well with DS.

Again, sorry you're dealing with this, esp at your place of work. GL.
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