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post #1 of 8
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My 8 yr old dd is a wonderful child--but she is wise beyond her years. Part of that is perhaps because she is a child living in an adult world--she plays violin with an adult orchestra and attends a gifted magnet school and reads on a 9th grade level (according to reading tests). Some of her friends in her after school care are a little older...but she does have friends her age in her class--but they are all wise beyond their years, like she is.
My 6 year old ds--not a problem at all.

But back to dd--she is becoming a nightmare with this separation. She acts like I did when I was in HIGH SCHOOL as far as her attitude and snarky behavior--angry at me all the time, telling me that daddy is more fun, telling me that a "third grader should not be subjected to such a horrible life" (yes, she uses the word subjected, LOL) and then when I ask her--why she says that--OR I try to tell her things will be OK--she retorts, "if you weren't so mean, we'd still have our family! I know why daddy left us! Because of you!"
Of course, she says this when I tell her it's bedtime, or when I tell her we're out of milk, or when I tell her she can't have something she sees in the store (because of course, she is still 8). It's not like I am doing something out of the norm in her life.

So--moms--how on earth did you deal with statements like that??? With ANY age child? I am at a loss. It really puts a knife in my heart to hear those things. Her dad and I are still raw and I tried to tell him about it, in case he had been filling her ears with things--but he denies it.

I am at a loss. Talking normally: honey, I know you are mad, etc., just leads her to reason it to death--and it's wearing me out.

I need a creative solution to really kill this kind of talk in its tracks.
Sometimes I just want to curl in a ball and fall over--I feel like yelling: Your DAD did this! Not me! But then I remember that I am actually supposed to be the adult in this thing and try to diffuse her...

I need help.
post #2 of 8
Oh goodness! That would break my heart too!

This is my gut reaction and I could totally be off: she's processing a lot right now and you are her safe zone. She knows she can vent at you and you'll still be there and still love her. Yes, she is saying hurtful things on purpose. Treating you as her punching bag and exercising her power to inflict some of the pain she's feeling onto you. But you're her safe zone.

BUT...it's cutting you deeply each time she says these things. And she very clearly has a lot of pain and confusion right now. Could you afford to take her to speak with a counselor once a week or so for a few months and help her transition through all of this? A neutral person she can get all of this anger out and talk through it and learn some coping skills. Maybe after a while you could both see the counselor together to help get the communication skills back together?

I know out of pocket therapy is EXPENSIVE! But if you can swing it at all even just a few times, I think it could be really helpful! Maybe other mamas have ideas on resources...maybe even just a couple of appts with a school counselor? Do they still have those even?

ps. Just remembered...my brother's oldest was 8 when they got divorced and she was a doozy for about a year. Her 4 yr old sister just rolled with it. Might be partially how that age deals with things. She came through it beautifully though. She's 14 now. We all survived that year! She challenged EVERYONE in the family for that year.
post #3 of 8
this sounds like my 3yo telling me he's not going to be my baby anymore - lashing out because the feelings are overwhelming and they don't know how to cope. my usual response is to state the feeling for him (like, that is so frustrating when you want something and mama has to say no!) or if i'm clueless about what he's feeling, i'll just say, "i'm your mama forever and i always love you, no matter what." of course your much older and more mature dd is experiencing different emotions and having more complex thought processes, but bottom line, she doesn't understand why you and ex split up, doesn't understand or can't express her feelings, is insecure and uncertain about the future and probably needs reassurance. it's different, but not that different.

during a calm time, it would be reasonable to explain that it's okay to get upset and express her feelings, but that it's not okay to lash out at you and say hurtful things, such as blaming you for her father choosing to leave. there are ways for her to cope with and talk about her pain, anger and sadness without hurting others.
post #4 of 8
Like pp's have stated, she's going through a lot right now. Try REALLY hard not to take it personally - I know, easier said than done.

And, reassure her that you're there for her always. One thing my mom used to say to me and my brothers was, "Well, I'm sorry you don't like me, but you're stuck with me and I'm never going anywhere b/c I love you." In a very neutral tone of voice. It was REALLY reassuring to us. I even say it to my son, even though he's only 20mo, every time he has a tantrum. (my mom said this to us through our teen years)

Being a mom is hard work!
post #5 of 8
remember also, that there are different kinds of intelligence. she is mentally and musically precocious, but emotionally she is still an 8 year old! being accelerated in some of the intelligences does not mean being so in all of them. i was certainly academically accelerated, but i can remember having adolescent emotions during my parents divorce when i was a teenager. if you can't afford therapy, then work on play therapy with her. she can write or draw, or compose music about her difficult feelings, rather than spew hateful words. you would need to be teaching her this at her age, even if you were still married. for myself, i do not pretend to be neutral about my impending divorce- he is an alcoholic and was abusive. i will not pretend that it is nobody's fault, because they need to know that no one is allowed to treat them that way, ever, and should anyone try i will protect them again. of course i do not say to the girls 'it was his fault'.
post #6 of 8
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Thanks all--so many good thoughts.
I took my kids to a counselor and the counselor actually told me not to bring them back--so I took them to another counselor who told me the same thing--don't bring them back! So I stopped. The reasoning for both was that they already have adults in their lives that they can talk to and that counseling at their ages (6 and 8) can be more destructive than to do good--if they somehow feel like they "have to" talk, it becomes like a punishment or makes them feel that they have done something wrong, to have to talk to a stranger. And frankly, I agree. I don't know that counseling is always the answer to everything--in my case, I do know that it's not good for the kids.

But I do agree for certain that she is still 8 emotionally! It's just such a knife in my heart!
Thanks for the good wishes, all!
post #7 of 8
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Originally Posted by GranoLLLy-girl View Post

But I do agree for certain that she is still 8 emotionally! It's just such a knife in my heart!
Thanks for the good wishes, all!
Oh mama! I know it is! Just know that she really does love you, and also know that kids who DON'T have divorced parents say it too. I know I said it to my mom and dad, and so did my brothers, and my parents have now been married 33 years! So, do the best you can (I know you already are!!!) to not take it personally. Do you have a really close friend that you can vent to? Thats sometimes the best therapy of all!
post #8 of 8
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Originally Posted by GranoLLLy-girl View Post
It really puts a knife in my heart to hear those things.
THIS is the key mama. This is the key.

your dd is being completely age appropriate. she is doing a typical thing for her age. usually kids do that at around or 7.

its a way of lashing out. at society at life as a hole. they truly understand how little control they HAVE with their life. she is just heartbroken. all these years we were brought up to believe that the world revolves around the child, but that is soooo not true.

the answer lies within you mama. YOU have to make it thru this. my dd when she did it said it felt like there was someone else within her making her do it. she could not control that part of her. she couldnt help herself.

i could see she was having a really, really hard time.

this is the last hurrah mama. this is a growth spurt. its leaving their childhood behind. this is the begining of prepuberty. she might soon get body odor and then slowly the other things will happen. its hormonal.

remember she does it because its her way of showing she loves you. that she knows that no matter what that you will always love her no matter how or what she shows you.

what i would do is first find some coping strategies within yourself. this is one of the things you just have to buckle up and deal with. dont take her words at face value. take care of yourself mama. your above statement also tells me YOU need to take care of YOURSELF.

the other thing that helped my dd was be a little more transparent about my own life. i'd share with dd my disappointments and my own troubles. if i was having a hard time making a decision i woudl share that with her. i would hold 'greiving circles' with her to greive all the things we want to do but cant.

my dd still does it once in a while.

OOOOOOH i just realised. OMG yeah its an emotional growth spurt. this is the age when the sense of self a pschological growth spurt happens.

dd went back to school earlier this month. just getting used to that life again has put a lot of stress on her and she has been tantruming going to school and on the way back. every. single. day.

but now she is slowly coming out of it. the other morning she was sooo angry she swung me around the blacktop and pushed me around. i was too busy not to LOL because she looked so cute with all her anger. i mean that sweet little girl with sooo much anger. and she felt TERRIBLE afterwards. she continued to feel that way for over a week. she made me a card and all of that but SHE felt terrible. its the development of conscience.

mama that you are so raw that you feel the attack so deeply.
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