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Ugh! Help please?

post #1 of 9
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Dh and I have mentored J for a year and a half. It started out as a Big Brothers/Big Sisters thing, but then we ditched the program and just did it on our own.

We have had struggles with J off and on. He went for a couple months not talking to us and wouldn't give a reason why, and then things were really good for a long time. Anyway, I have really tried to use natural consequences with him, but I feel like I am failing here. His mom isn't always super helpful, and if we go to her he acts like we have betrayed him, so we try to solve the issues ourselves to keep the relationship b/w him and us intact.

So - J has always had problems picking up after himself. I have no idea why, but he just leaves everything on the floor and throws nothing away. He wouldn't eat at our house for the longest time, so we set aside a special shelf just for him and took him shopping to buy foods that he likes. Problem was solved, he started eating at our house. But...he would leave juice boxes laying down on the floor (not even just sitting on the floor, but like on it's side where juice would come out) and stained our carpet numerous times. I told him every time it happened and asked him to stop, but after the 3rd time, we just told him he could only have clear drinks in the living room until he could start cleaning up after himself better. This lasted one day. It's just as bad now, possibly even worse, but because it's all clear stuff there aren't any stains now.

So - he has been without any colored drinks on his shelf for probably 2 months now. But during this time, he was also wasting the food on his shelf, where he would eat two bites out of a poptart and give the rest to the dogs. I told him not to do that, that it was wasting. Then he did it again today. Or he will just eat part of his food and leave the rest on the floor, then later go back and get more food before finishing the other before I catch what's going on.

A couple weeks ago he wanted the neighbor boys to spend the night with him at our house. We thought everything had gone fine. We left the next morning for vacation and when we came back a week later we had messages on our business line from a little girl. Apparently they were prank calling her and she got scared. So...we told him no more sleepovers with his friends, we can't trust him and them. I recently told him that I needed to be able to see that he was responsible enough to handle having them over again, and he could show me that by picking up after himself. No dice. He was over last night and today and never once picked up after himself, despite me reminding him and talking to him about it. Before he left, I asked if he was going to pick his stuff up or if he just planned to leave it for me. He said leave it for me. No. I made him walk in there and pick it up.

In the middle of the summer he really wanted Nike Shox. His mom is a single mom who does really well, but we do try to help her out. We told him that he needed to earn 25% and we would pay the rest, and he could earn the 25% by mowing our lawn 3 times. Due to rain and such, he was only able to do it twice before school started, so we told him that he could have the shoes but still owed us one time. Now he is saying the shoes are lame and he doesn't want to do it because it's getting cold.

So my plan is - 1. The shelf is gone. If he is going to waste food, we're not going to continue to provide it. He can eat what we eat. 2. No food/drinks at all in the living room since he can't pick up after himself. 3. If he refuses to mow the lawn the last time again, we take the shoes back.

I feel bad doing this, but I feel like I have been more than lenient with him and given him plenty of opportunities to correct his behavior. I am just worried because it's mentoring - I don't want him to stop coming around because of this. We love that child like he was our own, it would kill me if he stopped coming over, but it's getting out of hand. I just need to know if I've been doing okay or just been a push-over? Am I being too harsh now with my new plan? Any other ideas?
post #2 of 9
Sounds like you are doing some good work! I would say, you probably shouldnt take the shoes back, but you should tell him he has to mow the lawn or the arrangment where you buy something for him, with him paying 25% will not happen again. If you honestly think its too cold to mow the lawn maybe another chore could be subsituted. Is he the kind of kid that a little "there will a cup of hot chocolate for you when you are done" encouragement could help motivate to do the mowing?
post #3 of 9
Thread Starter 
Thank you for responding.

It's definitely not too cold, I think he's just using that as an excuse. He mowed the lawn the day we went to get his shoes, so he was motivated then because we were going to go get them when he was done. But, he plays video games all the time here, and we have talked about how we need to limit them because it's getting out of hand. We could probably do something with that, where he can play video games after he mows the lawn.

I think we're just getting burned out. We've put a lot of energy into this child and it's really hurtful to hear how the shoes are lame and hear him talk rudely to us. We need to continue to remind ourselves that he is 13 and very hormonal.
post #4 of 9
Personally, I think you have been enabling him with allowing things, such as his messes and such, without consequences.

But, I agree with PP, I don't think taking the shoes back would be the right thing. Removing the foods and such sounds right, and it should be a privilage to have such things, but the shoes, not so much (at this point).

Perhaps you should try some posivite reenforcement. You probably have already, but sometimes a renewed effort in this area can make a huge difference (speaking from experience). And restrictions on all the privilages until such a time as basic respect is given.

But, I would start in tiny steps. If you expect "perfection" or a "huge" change (even if it is only percieved on his end) he may see it as an impossible task and just fight harder. If you can just take one tiny step at a time, building on each step as he masters it, you may actually begin to see a difference (though not very quickly). And since you are looking at long term results, this is likely the only way you will accomplish anything that is lasting.

Patience. Lovingkindness. Patience. Persistance. Patience.

Hope it all works out.
post #5 of 9
Thread Starter 
I kind of wondered if I was enabling him. I just wanted to be really careful of the mentoring relationship, but it got out of hand. My husband has a very different parenting view than I do, but he defers to me because he knows I have a reason for everything that I do. But he had thought we should take away all drinks and such much earlier than this.

What do you mean by tiny steps? Can you give me more details? I kind of felt like I was with not taking away all drinks, just colored ones, and then asking him to show responsibility. What could I do differently?
post #6 of 9
No, I agree with removing all of the drinks. I am guessing this child is old enough to not spill drinks? If so, it seems like there is total carelessness or even deliberate actions. And that needs to be dealt with, for sure.

By tiny steps I mean taking it really slow. You have allowed this horrid behaviour to happen up till now. You can not expect a perfect kid over night. So, one tiny step at a time. Like for a few days or a couple weeks (or several visits) focus on ONE thing to work on. Perhaps that will be working on him taking no food away from the table. You must be consistant, though, 100%. Then when he has "mastered" the food at table lesson, the you move on to no wasting food, or no spilling of drink, or even of simply saying please or thank you.

Just one tiny step, one tiny lesson. After a while things will click into place and you will begin to see improvements (and the speed improvement may increase). But until then, persistance is the key.

Like, if you really want to have some of his chosen foods or drinks, you can have them available, but ONLY if he is at the table, eating or drinking them. The moment he takes them from the table, you must remove them from him and put them up. Don't play the Yo Yo game either. Like a child that will try and wear you down by continueing to take them away. Give clear instructions and the immediate, and unchanging consequences. So, the first time he takes it away from the table, you take them away and he does not get them back that day. At all. No matter how much he fusses or begs. The next time he will take likely your warning more seriously. "Practice" or work on this specific "lesson" for a few visits/days weeks until you are sure it "sticks" and he will not revert to previous behaviour. And if at any time he does revert, remain firm in the consequences layed out, even if he has been "good" for days and it is only one misstep. A single misstep can lead to him seeing that you are not serious and him being more difficult from then on (that does not mean that if there were truly a "thoughtless" moment that was quicklly corrected you could excercise a bit of grace and mercy).

Anyways, that is just a suggestion. But a simple way to make slow steps in improved behaviour. And, don't forget to congratulate him for progress made. Show him your approval and let him know how pleased you are with his behaviour.

You are doing him no favors by enabling bad behaviour in him. But, if you help to draw out the good within him, you may be able to help lay a foundation for a good adult life.
post #7 of 9
Thread Starter 
Yeah, the behavior hasn't been for the full year and a half, it's been more like the past 2 months that things got crazy. But I do agree that he's being deliberate about it. There's a reason he does the opposite of what we ask, I just don't know what it is.

And, I think a big issue with me is that I don't want to be my mother. lol. Dh and I don't have children yet, J is our "child". I remember my mom being so annoying and controlling and I don't want to be that, so that's why I allow him to do all that he does. Obviously, that needs to stop, and soon.
post #8 of 9
It would seem to me that if his behavior just started in the past two months, it may be due to a lot more time being spent at your house. Was this summer vacation? It seems like he might have been bored, so he was acting defiant because he needed more attention or he needed a bigger interaction.
post #9 of 9
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It was summer vacation. He's alone all day at his house by himself, and would spend about 2 weekends a month with us. There was a period in there where he spent the whole week when his mom went out of state. He had our full attention when he was here, one of the two of us anyway. And if he wasn't with us, he was on the computer/playing games or playing with his friend next door. Compared to being at home, where he was by himself for 75% of the day, he definitely had more attention at our house...

I kind of think it had something to do with his friend next door. Almost every time J was over this summer, he had the kid come over to hang out. That means that he started acting loud and obnoxious in front of the friend. So I think maybe the bad behavior was to act cool in front of this friend?
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