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Here is why my younger children are homeschooling now. I have seen the long term situation in our local schools. The middle school and high school are nasty with drugs being dealt and done on campus and in classrooms. The school is a top rated school in our state so the parents turn the other way, claiming that it is like this everywhere. But from what I am hearing from friends and from personal experience, most schools do not have kids doing ecstasy in the classrooms, in plain site of the teachers. Kids keep doing having sex on campus too. My sister, who lives in one district but teaches here, will not allow her children to attend here. She says most teachers who have the option will not allow her children to attend here. My daughter had serious and severe sexual harrassment/stalking happen to her at the middle school and staff would do nothing about it "boys will be boys" is what they said. I do not feel like the middle school or high school are safe.

A major problem at all levels is teachers on cell phones and internet all day long. As far as I can tell, this takes up most teacher time. ALL my children were in school last year and my older children told me that it was rare for a teacher to break from the internet or cell phone to teach the class. They often just got their assignments and worked on them on their own. But apparently, it was difficult to work because they kids were goofing off and having a good ole time all day long. This is when the sexual harassment and drug use was going on too. We are talking an exemplary school in what is supposed to be a great suburb. Plus, every single time I checked on my elementary aged kids in their classrooms, the teacher was off at her desk on her computer. She was never interacting with the class. I heard this from the other parents too, that they just never really saw the teachers teaching.

The kids all had their own computers at the school and could do stuff like kid pix all day long, which is pretty much all my children seemed to do. So when they would come home, they would expect to spend all their time playing on the computer because that was all they really did at school. While "delayed academics" does not really bother me, it did cause fights at home because they expected to get to play all day on the computer at home as a result. Plus, I get worried that they will get to minded toward those schools and friends there, and really get upset when I refuse to send them to that God awful middle school.


SO, while things are going very well for my 3rd grader, my 6 yr old wake sup every day and starts whining. He continues throughout the day. I do not expect a ton of him, and probably would even let him unschool if he just stopped whining. Seriously, it starts with "I want to play playstation" and ends with "I WANT to PLAY PLAYSTATION!!!!!" Then he tries to claim his friends from public school do not have homework (yes, they do, you have to do something at home after spending the whole day playing on the computer at school). He knows full well that he played computer all day at school last year and thinks that he should get to his year. I offer him educational computer games, but they are "boooorrrrrinnnnngggg."

I have some work for him. Like I said, last year, they just played on the computer all day. His homework was a list of 20 sight words to memorize. That was really the sum total of what they did. No handwriting, nothing. So I have the first handwriting without tears book which I ask him to do just 1 page from. He makes his words very scribley. He seems to be doing that on purpose, but I do not make a reaction out of it. I did upgrade his math book to one more at his level. He is a natural at math and doing Singapore Math 1B with ease. I am trying to teach him reading, but only spend maybe 5 minutes on it as he acts like I am trying to kill him during that time. I have made that as fun and easy as humanly possible. No workbooks, nothing. We have science kits and I have all sorts of guides to fun hands on activities. He will say "is this school work?" and if I say no, then he says "good, I want to play playstation." If I say yes, he screams and runs from the room throwing a huge tantrum or falls down throwing a huge tantrum. In fact, he loves tantrums now, especially if I am on the phone. I have learned to lock myself in my bedroom and sit in my closet on the phone if it is an important call. If it is not an important call, to just skip it. He even threw a huge tantrum last night when a friend of his mother called to set up a playdate. He just started screaming bloody murder "I want playstation! I want playstation!!! give me playstation now!!!!"

SO.....help!!!!! I need encouragement and for obvious reasons, do not want to return him to public school. We also go on field trips every week and he takes art classes at a neat place called Art House.

Thanks in advance for your help.
post #2 of 11
Wow. He sounds very fixated on the playstation.

Could you give it away? If that's the major source of the whining, and the whining is the major problem, that's what I'd do. Or loan it to another family for 6 months, until you can break out of this cycle of dependence and tantruming.

Have you ever tried having Family Screen-Free Days? We do this as a sort of adventure from time to time, to remind ourselves what the rest of the world is about, to make the excuse to do some special other things, and to figure out whether we're addicted, how much a hardship it is. Would your kids be into trying that a few times, not as a punitive thing, just as a learning experience?

Miranda
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Originally Posted by moominmamma View Post
Wow. He sounds very fixated on the playstation.

Could you give it away? If that's the major source of the whining, and the whining is the major problem, that's what I'd do. Or loan it to another family for 6 months, until you can break out of this cycle of dependence and tantruming.

Have you ever tried having Family Screen-Free Days? We do this as a sort of adventure from time to time, to remind ourselves what the rest of the world is about, to make the excuse to do some special other things, and to figure out whether we're addicted, how much a hardship it is. Would your kids be into trying that a few times, not as a punitive thing, just as a learning experience?

Miranda
I am actually thinking of packing it up tonight and putting it in storage. That is really what I think I will have to do on that.
post #4 of 11
I took the Xbox games away several months ago (we still use it as a DVD player though). It has been heaven here without it !!! I know many people will say their kids learn from video games, they are not addictive, etc etc etc. I can only go by the experience in my own house.....they were addictive mind-poison that led to devil-spawn type behavior. Maybe when my kids are older they will be able to handle it without screaming for it every minute they are not playing it. The games were even dominating their dreams and pretend play. I feel they are still detoxing from it. Yeah. I won't allow them to have a Wii or Nintendo DS. Grandparents have been warned that if they try to give those as gifts (MIL keeps wanting to) the kids will never get them.

Your local schools sound horrible. After a school experience like this (came back to add, that sounds completely unstructured), I think I would want to give the kids a lot of structure at home (in a positive way), and a screen detox, with 30 minutes for each subject and short breaks for healthy, brain-stimulating (and body moving !) activities in between each subject. Absolutely no TV or video games until after all school work is done for the day, and then a strict one-hour time limit for total screen time. I also would not do any academic work on the computer until they are broken of their screen dependency. Pencil and paper work just fine.
post #5 of 11
Since he attended school last term, and this is only September, I can't help but think he may be going through reactions to what he experienced at school. My son went to 1st grade in a little school that had serious dysfunction modeled by a teacher and copied by the children. I saw him change drastically, but it wasn't till he was out of there that I realized how much it had affected him - and I watched him gradually get back to being his old sweet self.

We often talk about the need for decompression/deschooling time at the beginning of the school term a child would have been in if continuing on in school. The summer vacation time seems to have no bearing on it - it just seems to be something that has to be dealt with at the beginning of the school year itself. Part of that is a detoxification experience, and he's sounding like a child who really is doing that full bore. So while I personally wouldn't put up with the hysterics and tantrums (I'd stand right up to him and calmly demand mutual respect) you may want to try to completely relax at this point when it comes to wanting to see him accomplishing some of the academic stuff. There are a lot of healthy and productive activities you can be doing for now without bringing in those things - and all that can very easily be caught up with later. I realize you're probably feeling as if a lot of time has been wasted already in the past year or so, but just taking some time for healing and getting acclimatized to a whole new way of life away from the chaos of that school can truly be a much better investment of time than trying to press through on these things that you're battling over right now. Here's a thread that leads to some helpful articles about decompression/deschooling. One possibility that comes to my mind is that his obsession with the playstation may have something to do with a drive to get away from it all - not that there's anything there to try to get away with so much as that he still has residue from what he's seen and been through - and while many children deal with that by going internal and wanting to be couch potatoes, maybe his escape is the video game play. Maybe it would help to try to get out and into nature in a very physical way as much as possible during this autumn weather before winter comes in.

All the best - I know it must be very hard right now. - Lillian
post #6 of 11
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But how do you decompress from a school year of video game playing and chaos? I am suspecting that I just need to go complete opposite of what he had been doing. I already tried being very unschooly and letting him lead the way. I have let him, we did it together actually, make a list of every field trip we could come up with. We go out a lot, just whenever we can and as much as we can.

I am suspecting by decompressing that I need to go to the complete opposite now. He is clearly bored and came off of a year where he got the impression that he could play video games all day long. I think I need to just make everything as opposite as possible from what he was doing? Like schedules and school work in every area? No computer time at all?
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But how do you decompress from a school year of video game playing and chaos? .......

I am suspecting by decompressing that I need to go to the complete opposite now. He is clearly bored and came off of a year where he got the impression that he could play video games all day long. I think I need to just make everything as opposite as possible from what he was doing? Like schedules and school work in every area? No computer time at all?
That is what I would do. Our DS1 functions best with a positive, flexible structure in place, but it has to be there or his behavior and mood both go down the tubes. After a year of little or no structure and too much screen time, I would go in the opposite direction.
post #8 of 11
I really wouldn't think in terms of opposites but just in the direction of what seems to help him feel calmer and more full of his own spirit and enjoyment of life. When I mentioned decompression, I wasn't referring to decompression from the classroom activities (or lack of such) that he's experienced, but the whole social scene and chaos. Learning doesn't need to come in the form of traditional school work - you'll be finding lots of wholesome and healing activities you can do together and/or that you can facilitate for him.

It might not be long till he responds well to science and nature experiments that don't come across as forced or school-like activities, and a lot of that will depend on your own anxiety lessening. It's obviously challenging and frustrating right now. He might grow to really enjoy being read some captivating books and hearing good audio recordings, having lots of things to build with in the way of wood scraps, glue, fabrics, cardboard boxes, paints, sand trays with things to create scenes and imaginative stories with, and such, etc. - sand trays like that are used in some schools when a child is having trouble with emotions. But right now he seems to be wound as tight as a top and resisting anything that's coming across as "school" or control, which is a pretty classic reaction in a child who's had an unpleasant school experience, and I honestly don't think he'd get behind in any real sense if you think more in terms of soothing activities right now rather than in terms of trying to make up for what didn't happen in the classroom.

And I have to wonder whether some of that tantrum behavior is something he's learned at school - my own son was coming home and imitating some of what he'd witnessed there. And maybe he has food or chemical sensitivities that no one else in the family has - I've had problems like that myself, and I know that children can have pretty dramatic reactions. - Lillian
post #9 of 11
I'd definitely get rid of the playstation. Maybe you do need to let him be bored. Let him learn to be creative again on his own. If he comes to you wanting to do something, then provide the opportunity. Maybe do it together. If he just wants to lay on his bed and be bored, let him. After Christmas you can re-evaluate.

My son has always had limited screen time and no bad experiences like you described. He has never said he is bored because he knows how to self entertain. Let your son learn that skill. You can't teach it. He has to figure it out. Just provide lots of open ended toys and supplies. Wooden trains, costumes, legos, paint, craft supplies. Maybe you could play with the trains and stuff on your own without inviting him to join you. Just play and see if he comes to you. Maybe do that for 15 or 20 minutes at the same time every day and give it a few weeks and see what happens. (Though I'd love to see pictures of you wearing a unicorn costume making a lego tower for the train station.lol)
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Let him learn to be creative again on his own. If he comes to you wanting to do something, then provide the opportunity. Maybe do it together. If he just wants to lay on his bed and be bored, let him. After Christmas you can re-evaluate.
That sounds like a good plan to me. Maybe he needs some quiet time to be bored, and to dream, and start to think and explore again. Lillian
post #11 of 11
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He just started screaming bloody murder "I want playstation! I want playstation!!! give me playstation now!!!!"
This right here, based on my own experience with my own kids, would be an automatic 6 month loss of video game access.

Maybe he would enjoy some science time that is more open for him. I bought my kids a box of stuff - mostly from the Steve Spangler website - that they can explore with on their own. There are some magnetic wands and some pretty discs with metal rings they play with...some iron filings I put into a plastic baggie (from American Science Surplus)...also some nice high quality magnifying glasses they go explore with...some bar magnets (those are from American Science Surplus)...and some "baby soda bottle" test tubes, kid-size goggles, and some color tabs. I make colored vinegar and put baking soda in the test tubes and they have a blast making different colors of foam !

It also sounds like he is not accustomed to much being expected of him. IMO only consistency on your part will make him realize that more is expected now. When my son does his work willingly and with a good effort put forth, he's done quickly and gets free time. If he is slouching and being slow, I make him work until it's all done and done well. If he is purposely sloppy, I make him erase it and fix it. When he was six, his work could either take 5-10 minutes (because it really was only a very basic, minimal amount of work), or two hours if he decided to drag it out. The choice was always his to make.....but he did not get out of doing it by dragging his feet or refusing to make a good effort.

When he does his work when it's time to do it and makes a good effort, he ends up having loads of free time, which is a great reward, and there is a lot of fun stuff to do here, that he was not exploring when the video games were available to him.

Also, I meant to ask, is he closer to 5 or closer to 7 ? Our older son made a huge change from when he first turned 6 to 6 and a half. When he first turned 6 he really was not ready for much work at all. He was 6.5 when the "first grade" academic year started and that is when I began having expectations of him doing 5-10 minutes worth of academic 3Rs type work each day. I know people who required a half hour or hour of it daily at age 5; so compared to them, I feel I am very relaxed. For a child who is 6.5 it is not too much to expect a small amount of academic work to be completed, with the rest of the day for exploring interesting real things (not phantoms on a screen). If he is closer to 5 I would let him pick whether he wanted to work on reading, writing, or math, and do 5 minutes of one subject each day until he gets in the swing of doing it cheerfully.
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