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Spirited baby group-October

post #1 of 58
Thread Starter 
This thread is for those of us who feel we have a "high needs" or "spirited" baby!

Mamas-I would like to make an intro for the thread that lists our stats, so if you could just give me a quick intro I'll create one that includes it.

Our Members:
Mrs.T (Raina) mom to Kevin, born 4-7-10
momto4plus4 (Sara) mom to Jeremiah, born 4-5-10
PJ (PJ) mom to Max born May 24th, 2010
LeaPea (Lea) mom to Luna born June 12, 2010, at 4:10 am!
sosurreal09 (Kami) mom to Aniela (pronounced like ahnyella) born 9-30-09
Liz.Furtado-mom to Maxwell, born April 5, 2010
post #2 of 58
I will pop back in later this evening to fill you all in on my spirited ds however, I recall reading that someone posted in Sept about amber teething necklaces. Did you give it a try? I'm considering ordering ds a necklace.

Thanks!
post #3 of 58
Thread Starter 
Well, Kevin had a horrible evening tonight. He will not stop making this horrible noise, it's like a whine/grunt/gurgle thing that he does whenever something annoys him, and I swear it's like nails on a chalkboard at this point. It's like he goes from one horrible noise to another. Before this it was screaming. Then whining. Now this. I was trying to put him to sleep and anytime he was in a position he didn't like, he made "the noise". I don't know what to do. I tried ignoring it, I tried saying "no" in a firm voice, nothing seems to work.
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momto4plus4 (Sara) mom to Jeremiah, born 4-5-10
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JR has actually had a couple good days. He gave me 1 night with a 5 hr stretch but then back to every 1-3 hrs up at night or in bed nursing all night. He wants me as a pacifier but won't suck my finger, a pacifier or his thumb. Argh.

Mom is here visiting. She's noted how strong-willed he is. Now he's into the separation anxiety. He'll be fine with mom til he sees or hears me then he screams until something distracts him then he's fine til he sees/hears me and the cycle starts again. I left him with her while I went to the dr today (sinus infection) and she said he screamd at the top of his lungs for 5 minutes(no tears, just mad) then stopped mid-cry and was happy as a clam til I walked in 50 minutes later.

But, overall, a few good days. Does anyone else struggle with their babes Not calming themselves back to sleep at night?
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Hello all spirited baby mamas!

My name's PJ, my son is Max, he was born May 24th this year, so he's now 4 months old.

We are flying to Portugal for 10 days tomorrow...we leave in the middle of the night more or less, have to be at the airport at 5:30 I actually suspect Max will do fine with the journey since his fussiness is so much about wanting something NEW and DIFFERENT. Hope I'm not in for a rude awakening
I probably won't be able to check here so often until mid-October, not sure abt. internet at our hotel, but I wish you all a good first half of October and leave you with this thought:

Someone in the old (from Jan.10) high needs baby group said that HN babies are the ones who don't like being babies, meaning the helplessness and utter dependence on others frustrates them. I know for Max this is mostly true. I see so much of his frustration comes from not being able to control and move his body as he would like, and when he meets limits or confinements (like the car seat, bouncy seat, carrier, etc). I *hope* he gets a bit more content once he can sit up and play on his own more, and then fully crawl (which he already does commando-style). I know some HN babies go on to be HN children, but in our case I think Max will mellow out a lot once he starts growing out of the baby phase. I see his personality is not the mellow type, so I think he'll always be very lively, but I mean the near-constant frustration and whining going away. We shall see.....
post #7 of 58
Hey everyone!

My name is Lea. My daughter, Luna, was born June 12, 2010, at 4:10 am!

I'm learning to take things one day at a time, and appreciate her tenacity! I'm trying to take a more positive approach instead of letting myself get all negative. She is definitely my daughter! Hard-headed, strong willed, and temperamental!
post #8 of 58
Thread Starter 
I just wanted to say that "tenacity" is another great (and positive) word for our LOs!
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sosurreal09 (Kami) mom to Aniela (pronounced like ahnyella) born 9-30-09

she just turned one idk if im still in lol is there a toddler group?
post #10 of 58
Thread Starter 
Actually, I like having a mama in here with an older baby! Maybe you can help those of us with the little ones!
post #11 of 58
Thread Starter 
Hey everyone! Just wanted to check in. How are you all doing?

I think Kevin may be teething...it's hard to tell with our "spirited" babies, but he's been waking up at night whining and he doesn't seem to want anything. I've been giving him those frozen teething rings during the day and he calms down a lot when he has one, but most of the day he is whiny as well.

I have a question...what do you all do when you are burnt out? I am feeling VERY burnt out lately...the whining has been pretty frequent, and he's back to nursing every 2 hours. I was always a homebody before having Kevin, so whenever I wanted to unwind I would do some yoga in the living room, or curl up with a good book, or bake some brownies, or something home based. Now, I feel like I don't have those things anymore. Even if DH takes over with him, I can obviously still hear them and half the time I end up telling DH what he's whining about so it will end. BUT that is so not a break for me. I was cooking us dinner the other night, and actually enjoying it, until Kevin started getting all frustrated about something. So I need to leave the house. I'm kind of lost on what to do outside the house. I thought about asking DH to take him for a walk or a car ride but honestly I don't see that lasting. So that leaves me with getting out on my own instead. I really, really can't afford to spend any money right now, so I don't want to go shopping or anything. There are parks nearby, but the weather will be getting colder and I won't want to do that. So is there anything that you would do, alone, that is outside the house and FREE? I was thinking I could go to the library, but that's going to get old if I'm doing it on a regular basis. I have no idea. All I know is, I need a break where I can just hear my own thoughts for an hour or two. I don't want to meet up with a friend, I just want time for me.

Any ideas?
post #12 of 58
hey guys...I'm xposting this to the April DDC for 2010 bc I can't retype it all..hope you don't mind!

mrs.t: Its SO hard dealing with the constant whining. I've always been the same way as far as staying home. I do enjoy other activities and going out from time to time but if given the choice I'd choose a day/night in with my loves anytime. I'm also feeling seriously burnt out on all of this, combined with hardly sleeping a wink anymore and getting up super early for work...I don't even have to cook dinner for myself, let alone bake or craft or read like I used to. I have a growing stack of books to devour but I haven;t even cracked the spine on a single one. There are actually days I forget to check the mail. To wiped out. I wish I had some advice here but really, I just sympathize!
Things haven't changed too much since the last time I posted. Max has now added sweet potato (he ate it but not with gusto) and applesauce (scarfed that right down!) to his solids repertoire. We haven't been super gungho on the solids, just a little here and there.

The seperation anxiety is in full swing. I'll nurse and rock him to sleep and every few minutes he will wake up and frantically look around. When he meets my eyes he will instantly go back to sleep, and on and on. If I am inthe room and anyone (other than dp) is holding him, he will start to cry, but if I'm out of sight he's just fine. Same with bedtime, or any other time for that matter. Don't get me wrong, I love to be needed! I'm just tired of the whining...

He still isn't crawling or anything and can hardly push up on his arms :/ I keep reading about all of these scootin' babies who are also 6 mos. and I get sort of worried-can't help it!- but I know he'll get there eventually. He did roll over a few times this week but its been a couple of days since I've seen him do it. Everyone keeps telling me "More tummy time!" but if I put him on the floor-we have hardwoods- on a blanket, he'll eventually bash his head down onto it and starts to cry (obviously)...so the alternative is to hang out with him on my bed and have him on his tummy there...but mostly he just puts his head down to the side and looks at me, its also not a very stable surface so I don't know if this is a good idea or not. Gahh! I'm out of ideas! He holds his head up great, can sit with assistance and LOVES to be in standing position. We just picked up an exersaucer we found on craigslist and for the most part he seems to dig it.

His sleeping has been a nightmare...napping is a project and usually I'll plan to get some chores done while he's asleep but by the time he passes out I am so exhausted that I sit down to rest a minute...next thing I know, he;s up again. He's also up a ton during the night now which I think is in large part to him teething (no teeth have cut through yet but they're on their way!). He is such a fussy baby, I get soo stressed. It takes all of my patience and energy every afternoon and night! I feel really bad about this but lately the only way to get him to calm down or sleep is to buckle him into the swing. I feel like sticking him in their all of the time is terrible but I don't know what else to do! I'm trying so hard to continue with attachment parenting because I really do believe in it and I feel in my heart that its the right thing to do for him and for me, but sometimes I just don't know if I have it in me to constantly hold him and calm him (I DO want to, I just get so stressed out that sometimes I need to put him down and walk away for a minute). Sigh...

Dp has been working crazy hours and with getting way less sleep and getting up for work at 4:45 am (ds wakes me around 4 to nurse now so I'm pretty much up at 4 for the rest of the day) I feel like I'm sinking into a black hole. Wow, that sounds so dramatic, but honestly, its been tough. Speaking of which, its 10:30 so I should be getting to sleep myself!
post #13 of 58
Thread Starter 
Liz-Just a quick post to suggest something...we have hardwood floors, too and Kevin would cry during tummy time, because a blanket was not soft enough. I put down a cheap yoga mat I bought, because I never used it for yoga since it was a little too thick, and put a blanket over that. It was great for tummy time, until Kevin started scooting around, and then we bought these:

Foam mat

This way, we can make it bigger so he can crawl around on it. HTH!
post #14 of 58
Thanks! Actually a few people have suggested that to me since talking about it and posting that this week. Def gonna try it out!
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Man, I am having a tough week! I think Luna is teething because she has been having these screaming fits, pulling her ears, and biting everything. It has been so exhausting! (I'm looking into the amber necklace as well!). I finally had a breakdown tonight, and cried for a half an hour in the shower . I just feel so defeated sometimes. I know everyone says it gets easier, but I can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. I know I need to take better care of myself, but I just don't know how. Plus, Luna is a horrible sleeper, so add exhaustion on top of everything! Ugh!! This too shall pass, right????????????
post #16 of 58
I'm with the rest of you. Tough week. JR is in FULL BLOWN separation issues just like Liz. Crying EVERY time he sees me if I'm not holding him. My friend used to call it the "put me down, no-pick me up, no-put me down, no-pick me up" phase. Like, he wants to play but wants me too and can't figure out how to do one or the other.

He's pulling off when bf'ing and it's driving me nuts. He still refuses pacifiers but he wants to suck but he gets so full he gets gassy and spitty. UGHH. I've tried letting him cio but he just keeps going. He's almost killed swing motor #2 so I need to call the company to get another one.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHH
post #17 of 58
How is everyone doing?

I'm having a really hard time recently. I wish I had family closer, cause I sure could use some help. I made an appointment to have a facial this week, which I am super excited about! I definitely need some relaxation. Hopefully it will rejuvenate me.

I have learned that Luna does better when we go somewhere. She likes to see all the sights and sounds. It's just hard to get here there, cause she hates her car seat. I'm trying to get out at least once a day for my sanity. I found out there is a new mom's group that our local hospital puts on, so I think I may go there. I guess I just worry about the judgment when Luna starts fussing or crying. I'm worried that people will think I am a horrible mom . I feel like I am doing something wrong!
post #18 of 58
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Originally Posted by LeaPea View Post
How is everyone doing?

I'm having a really hard time recently. I wish I had family closer, cause I sure could use some help. I made an appointment to have a facial this week, which I am super excited about! I definitely need some relaxation. Hopefully it will rejuvenate me.

I have learned that Luna does better when we go somewhere. She likes to see all the sights and sounds. It's just hard to get here there, cause she hates her car seat. I'm trying to get out at least once a day for my sanity. I found out there is a new mom's group that our local hospital puts on, so I think I may go there. I guess I just worry about the judgment when Luna starts fussing or crying. I'm worried that people will think I am a horrible mom . I feel like I am doing something wrong!
So sorry you're at the end of your tether. I definitely make it a point to get out at least once a day, and I too am looking into a baby group. I know what you mean about people thinking it must be us as moms if our babies are always fussy.
I think HN babies seem to like variety and new settings. I am worried with winter on the way, because I'll feel much less motivated for our daily walk and getting out of the house. But I think I may just have to bust through my cold-prejudice and bundle up and get out there. Because Max too loves anything new and as fussy as he is at home, he's usually very calm when we're out. In fact, nobody ever believes me that he's fussy because he's always so calm and alert when we're out and about. I always say "Yeah, you should see him at home!" He only gets fussy if we stay in the same place very long, or if I stop moving, while we're out!
In fact, we just took our first vacation with him. I was soooo worried about the flights and being in an unfamiliar setting, but he was almost a different baby! He was not fussy hardly at all, he was mostly fine on both flights, and seemed to really enjoy all the new scenery. He slept well, from being so exhausted by all the new adventures. We were positively surprised how easy he was! The only stress was meals. We had to take turns walking him around while the other one ate, he would not just sit there with us, far too boring! So that was annoying, because in a 10 day holiday DH and I could not have one single meal sitting together and relaxed. But I really can't complain!
So yeah, variety variety variety. For me the task is to motivate myself to get out as much as Max requires...I'm also the homebody type, and with the cold weather coming on...but I find if he gets lots of change of scenery he's much more relaxed. Our house is very small though and he just gets so bored in the same couple rooms. So that, for us, is the challenge. Keep him busy and entertained with something new.
post #19 of 58
Hey all, just checking in and have come for my weekly support system! If it wasnt for supportive gals like ya'll I think I'd completely fall apart! Today...well, this whole week really, have been extra tough. I don't feel like I'm handling this mama thing very well even though everyone I know tells me I'm doing great. Dp and my work schedules are really taking a toll on me, so its no surprise to me that it must be wearing on Max as well. I also don't have my lisence (have to learn! aacck!) so that definitely makes things worse.

A typical day around here:

4-4:30 am: Max wakes up to nurse, then I snooze for about 15 minutes.
5 am: wake up and get ready for work, get a ride with coworker at 5:30.
6 am- 12 noon: work. dp picks me up at this time and we go home.
12:30-1:30 pm: Dp makes us lunch (yes, he's wonderful) then goes to work. During this time, and the drive home, on any given day, Max will be napping, screaming, whining.
1:30-11:30 pm: Max and I are home. I may attempt tummy time, attempt to make dinner for myself (always a disaster), try to call my mother (who lives far away and isn't as supportive as she could be), try to console Max, nurse Max, get frustrated and put him in his swing or exersaucer. Dp finally homes come. Sometimes its not until after 12...he's a chef and works super late.
After that I try to squeeze in bit of time with Dp is Max is actually asleep but I need to sleep and he's wired and doesn't want to come to bed yet. I go to sleep by myself for a couple hours and repeat the process.

We have coinop laundry in our apt building that takes 3 hours per load and is too expensive to we try to go to a laundromat about once a week to week 1/2. It takes about 2 hours and usually dp drops me off there so we don't have to bring the baby in. This can only happen on one of our days off (varies from week to week) so it is always crammed in somewhere, otherwise, there's a growing mountain of laundry in our apartment.

I don't mean to be such a whiner, but I am just at my wit's end. I've been so stressed out that since yesterday my milk has almost completely dried up. I was finally at a point (I've had low supply sine he was about 3 months old- when I went back to work) where I didn't have to think about how much milk I was making. Any time he fussed or needed me I could nurse him. Now, there's hardly anything and I am devastated. I know stress makes it worse but I don't know how to relax! I've had ppd for the last few months that was bothering me much less once my cycle returned last month. All of a sudden (I know I'm PMSing and should be getting my period this weekend, so perhaps that't the culprit here) everything is falling down around me! I am just flat out exhausted. Our plan originally was for me to stay home after I had Max and not go back to work, which I would LOVE but we just cannot afford it. A friend of hours recently suggested we drop our laundry off and pay to have it done. When I told him we couldn't afford it he said, "Hey, I know you want to be frugal, but think about the time you're gaining from not having to wait there." I told him it isn't being frugal. I don't have an extra $90 a week to have a family sized amount of laundry washed. That mystery money doesn't exist!

So so so stressed. Its days like this I feel like I really can't do this. I am so frustrated and anxious. At least Max is sleeping! Sorry guys. Not really much about my baby in this post but I suppose I should include that! He had his 6 month checkup yesterday. 25th percentile for weight and 80th for height. Lanky, skinny baby! Awe, he was awesome in the dr's office though. I usually love our pedi but when I told him we stopped giving him cereal because he was having digestive troubles, and have just been giving him a couple of frozen chunks of fruit a day (admittedly, not every day, but most), he looked concerned and told us we should be giving him 3 meals a day. And more than one item...I just don't think he's ready personally and don't want to overload him with solids before he wants/needs them. He isn't sitting up yet on his own and though he seems interested in them, is fine with just the milk. When I told him about Max's "moods" he told me that 6 month olds can tend to be a little bit manipulative so I should just let him fuss. Anytime I tell anyone about my trouble trying to console him their response is always "Liz, babies cry! Its fine! He needs to exercise his lungs!" I swear, if I never hear that again I'll be stoked. Obviously he DOES use his lungs. There's no question about that. And I know by "manipulative" he means that he's figured out if he cries he'll gain my attention, but I think manipulative is the wrong word. He's an infant. Of course he needs my attention. As hard as this has been I'm commited to this kind of parenting, and Im going to make it!

Wow. Epic post.
post #20 of 58
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Originally Posted by P.J. View Post
Someone in the old (from Jan.10) high needs baby group said that HN babies are the ones who don't like being babies, meaning the helplessness and utter dependence on others frustrates them.
How interesting, because I developed this theory about my two HN babies. They seemed really pissed off that they couldn't do anything, go anywhere, and no one could understand them. They did NOT want to be helpless babies! And as soon as they started to become mobile, they got a little more easy-going. It's good to hear that others have experienced similar behavior.

Kristin
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