"Pediatrics" article got me miffed

[hummingbear]

OK

I don't get it. I was browsing NOHARM and went to the AAP policy link and then to articles published in Pediatrics. Will the false information please sit down!

I already know where my stand is (DS intact!)

But reading all the stuff put out there in the "debate" can be most dizzying.

I believe in finding out all there is to know and so I support those who are in the field pushing each other to do just that. But it seems like some misgotten information keeps getting circulated (just like those junk emails that keep going on and on and on).

Will somebody please give me some links to the information out there on penile cancer and circumcision.
I don't trust the information in this Pediatrics article
http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...ract/105/3/e36

Ann

[momto3boys]

It's Edgar Schoen. 'Nuff said.

[mattemma04]

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[Frankly Speaking]

Yup! You don't believe Edgar Schoen on anything about circumcision. NOTHING!

Now to penile cancer . . . . the risk factor is not really known. The statistics that are most passed around are 1/100,000 for intact men and 1/300,000 for circumcised men but in many non-circumcising countries the statistics are just the opposite. The real truth is that circumcision status has nothing to do with it but instead, lifestyle and environmental factors are the real culprits. The actual numbers of cases are so infintessimally small that a single confounder can turn the numbers around 180 degrees. Another thing to remember is that penile cancer is not fatal unless it is totally ignored until it is in it's advanced stages. In it's early stages, it is no more serious than a skin cancer anywhere else on the body. It is simply cut out along with a little of the surrounding tissue. Penile cancer is easily observable by the man. It is not a cancer that hides inside the body. It appears as a sore that will not heal. If you have a sore on your penis that doesn't heal in a few weeks, you go to the doctor to have it checked out. Removing the cancerous growth is usually done in the doctor's office under local anesthesia and that's the end of it. It only takes minutes.

A few comparisons: A man is 16 times more likely to get breast cancer than penile cancer. A woman's risk of breast cancer is about 1/16. A town of 50,000 residents can expect a case of penile cancer once every 156 years. Very few hospitals and far fewer physicians have ever or ever will see a case of penile cancer. As the American CancerSociety has said, penile cancer is a non-issue as far as circumcision is concerned.

Even though penile cancer is given much press by circumcision advocates, it should not even be mentioned. It is one of the rarest of all cancers to affect mankind and one of the most curable and easiest to cure. It is also one that almost exclusively affects elder men. Even among populations of men with penile cancer, it is rare to see a case in a man less than 60 years old. those men have enjoyed 60 or more years of their full sexuality. All things considered, I think that is an excellent trade off!





Frank

[hummingbear]

reputation?

Originally posted by momto3boys
It's Edgar Schoen. 'Nuff said.

Can you fill me in?

Ann

[hummingbear]

So I thought

Thanks Frank

I was hoping to hear from you.

Gratefully,
Ann

[Frankly Speaking]

Ann:

Edgar Schoen is an ardent circumcision advocate and has advocated mandatory circumcision for all boys. He is known for his lies about circumcision such as his lie about the New Testament advocating circumcision and his assertion that the risk of penile cancer is 1/600 when all of the experts generally agree that it is 1/100,000. Even that is questioned and the real culprit is probably lifestyle differences and risky behaviors that circumcised men engage in at higher rates than their intact peers.

Schoen is the leader of a trio of Thomas Wiswell and Brian Morris. Wiswell is best known for his UTI study that used premies for it's intact group and full term babies for it's circumcised group. It is known that premies are at a higher risk of UTIs than full term babies. Wiswell is the subject of a libel and defamation of character lawsuit filed last week because of his remarks at Amazon.com about Dr. Paul Fleiss. Brian Morris is a college professor that tries to pass himself off as a doctor when advocating circumcision.

Schoen was on the 1988 AAP Circumcision Taskforce but was removed because of his hardline stand and outrageous behavior. That participation gives him credibility among those who promote infant circumcision and he is the darling of the pro-circumcision groups.




Frank

[LavenderMae]

Those three men make me want to :Puke

[Nathan1097]

Well, I was gonna link you to a page on my site but my site doesn't seem to load! Says "Cannot be found". GRR. I wrote the webhost - I hope nothing happened to it!