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This sounds quite interesting. How did you find someone who did the protocol? Did he do any testing? How did you dx the lyme?
hcp finder

This guy didn't do any testing, but I already had all my thyroid numbers inc. antibodies recently to give them. Lyme was dx'ed through western blot from Quest. The thing about the Th1/Th2 stuff is that it's just being used for autoimmune thyroid right now, and that's probably all the hcp's who know the method are using it for, but I think it might be much more broadly applicable. I really wonder what connection it has to developing IGG vs IGE allergies.

The supps are vit d, glutathion cream, x-flm or x-viromin. The trial was 3 days of each, 2 pills 3 x a day, stop either if it makes you feel bad.

Also there was a diagnostic questionnaire for emotional stuff which said I was low dopamine, so I am taking dopatone. Didn't notice a dramatic effect from this one.

I can pm anyone the questionnaire if you're interested.
post #542 of 938
im interested
post #543 of 938
I'd love the questionaire too.
post #544 of 938
I found a copy online so I'll just post the link here.

http://www.theraalternatives.com/NTA...ssmentForm.pdf
post #545 of 938
I really just kind of wonder if DD2 is just a really extreme 2 year old. I just don't get how eliminating all kinds of foods still isn't changing her attitude! Today has been better overall, but we have days like that. Maybe when her cold goes away she'll magically be better. I'm just tired. And DS..if I could figure him out so he could eat more normally, that would be great!!! I just can't keep keeping him from all this food if it doesn't make any difference for him. The no-gluten thing for DD, however, I'm more and more interested in since it's linked to thyroid issues...my mom has hypothyroid, and if foregoing gluten on a regular basis can protect my girls and me from that, then I'm all for it.

I feel so broke lately. I usually save so much more grocery shopping, but with this allergy business I can't buy in bulk during sales until I know what everyone can eat....I mean, if we aren't eating out at all we should have more money, but we don't!!!!
post #546 of 938
what does each section mean?
post #547 of 938
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I really just kind of wonder if DD2 is just a really extreme 2 year old. I just don't get how eliminating all kinds of foods still isn't changing her attitude!
Either she's still eating something she reacts to, or you've got nutrient deficiencies underlying behaviors (mag is a huge one for hard behaviors), or she's detoxing metals, or her she's got something like poor methylation impacting her neurotransmitter balance.

Any one of the things on that list can make my DS' "extreme", they all have. More than one at a time is not unusual either .

How are her basic supps - trace minerals, A/D/k2, mthf folate + folinic acid, sublingual/drop B12, Bs, mag? (Sorry if you've already posted that, I am so starting to get people confused in my head again...)
post #548 of 938
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Originally Posted by mamafish9 View Post
Either she's still eating something she reacts to, or you've got nutrient deficiencies underlying behaviors (mag is a huge one for hard behaviors), or she's detoxing metals, or her she's got something like poor methylation impacting her neurotransmitter balance.

Any one of the things on that list can make my DS' "extreme", they all have. More than one at a time is not unusual either .

How are her basic supps - trace minerals, A/D/k2, mthf folate + folinic acid, sublingual/drop B12, Bs, mag? (Sorry if you've already posted that, I am so starting to get people confused in my head again...)
No worries. I'm just kind of at my wits' end. Transitions are such a PITA, and she has two older sibs I have to bus around to stuff, kwim? I'm giving her mag now, oral and bath, trying to get her to take a mB12 daily, but it hasn't been long. I'm taking them too (and they seem to help ME lol), and I take the mthf, still trying to find the best way to get that one into her directly. I haven't really removed sals yet, just tried to cut back a little. I feel like I just have so much going on, it's overwhelming to remove even more at the moment. She is free of everything her IgG showed plus soy right now. I do get to talk the nutritionist from the lab, but not til a week from Monday. : She has however pooped 3 days in a row, not including today, but that's a nice start from 1-2 per week. Smoothies seem to be a great way to hide everything I want to give her, but I'm not sure how to make a good low-sal one just yet...need to sit down with the list and shop, again. And, apparently, figure out more supps. Should I just give her a basic multi, plus the mB12, mhtf, and mag?

DH has been away a LOT lately, so the stress of doing it all alone is rough too. And the lack of sleep. Oh, the lack of sleep.

ETA: How can a little one who nurses all night, not pee til 2pm the next day? That's what she did today. She had a smoothie in the morning, plus more breastmilk. I also wonder about my milk, and me being deficient. Looking for a prenatal without soy or gluten....
post #549 of 938
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Originally Posted by True Blue View Post
I really just kind of wonder if DD2 is just a really extreme 2 year old. I just don't get how eliminating all kinds of foods still isn't changing her attitude! Today has been better overall, but we have days like that. Maybe when her cold goes away she'll magically be better. I'm just tired. And DS..if I could figure him out so he could eat more normally, that would be great!!! I just can't keep keeping him from all this food if it doesn't make any difference for him. The no-gluten thing for DD, however, I'm more and more interested in since it's linked to thyroid issues...my mom has hypothyroid, and if foregoing gluten on a regular basis can protect my girls and me from that, then I'm all for it.
My DD didn't get happier and easier til (my best guess) I worked off some of her liver backlog--rather, I guess I got her pathways moving a bit more freely, since I think there's still plenty to go. I don't know if it has to be just metals, though that's our situation--I bet we have all sorts of weird enviro chemicals that I couldn't excrete because my pathways were already maxed out--but, where was this sentence going?

In TCM, anger and liver are related, I think part is that the our livers break down some of the chemicals our bodies make when we're angry--so kids who don't calm down well after getting upset, that's part of what's going on. Removing foods was important, but supps were what actually changed DD's behavior.
post #550 of 938
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Originally Posted by tanyalynn View Post
My DD didn't get happier and easier til (my best guess) I worked off some of her liver backlog--rather, I guess I got her pathways moving a bit more freely, since I think there's still plenty to go. I don't know if it has to be just metals, though that's our situation--I bet we have all sorts of weird enviro chemicals that I couldn't excrete because my pathways were already maxed out--but, where was this sentence going?

In TCM, anger and liver are related, I think part is that the our livers break down some of the chemicals our bodies make when we're angry--so kids who don't calm down well after getting upset, that's part of what's going on. Removing foods was important, but supps were what actually changed DD's behavior.
Which supps?
post #551 of 938
Trialing DS on carrots today. And me on corn. Lunch didn't turn out good (crab bisque - too watery, no flavor) and I was starving and saw the corn chips in the pantry. Made some salsa (with the super hot peppers I'd cut up when my mother was here, that burned my fingers for days). The chips were stale, and I didn't even care. I just want to get one of the big ones back for each of us. Life would be so much easier. I'm trying to decide whether to try DD2 on soy or something else. Soy gave me IBS and it's one of DS's two worst ones, so it's not like it would expand her food much, would it? Beef would help, but I only tried her on that a few months ago. So far I've had no complaints from DS today, and my back is average, so I've got my fingers crossed.

I'm making macaroni & cheese with the vegan rice cheese.

I could trial them both on quinoa. That would expand our noodle selection right? And flour? And a grain for a side dish.... they both reacted "moderate" to that one, so it's been almost 2.5 years since they've had it.
post #552 of 938
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Originally Posted by kjbrown92 View Post
Trialing DS on carrots today. And me on corn. Lunch didn't turn out good (crab bisque - too watery, no flavor) and I was starving and saw the corn chips in the pantry. Made some salsa (with the super hot peppers I'd cut up when my mother was here, that burned my fingers for days). The chips were stale, and I didn't even care. I just want to get one of the big ones back for each of us. Life would be so much easier. I'm trying to decide whether to try DD2 on soy or something else. Soy gave me IBS and it's one of DS's two worst ones, so it's not like it would expand her food much, would it? Beef would help, but I only tried her on that a few months ago. So far I've had no complaints from DS today, and my back is average, so I've got my fingers crossed.

I'm making macaroni & cheese with the vegan rice cheese.

I could trial them both on quinoa. That would expand our noodle selection right? And flour? And a grain for a side dish.... they both reacted "moderate" to that one, so it's been almost 2.5 years since they've had it.
I've yet to find any 100% quinoa noodles. they're mixed with rice or corn.
post #553 of 938
Getting out the foods and increasing Mg helped here. I had a tantrumy clingy child before that.
post #554 of 938
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Which supps?
You asked about a prenatal (I didn't quote that part, whoops), I'd say Thorne Basic Nutrients are a good start, or the Thorne prenatal. If you need to avoid corn, ask the others here if that's an issue, I think they have something corn-derived but I'm not sure. But other than that, I think it avoids the major allergens.

For DD, given that metals are our issue, well, it was a broad range, lots of vitamin C (that's mostly been a good indicator for us about how much is circulating), multi, extra B vits including folate, mag, a LOT of zinc (surely most people can't need as much as my kids), um... it felt like just about everything but iron and copper. But adding in modifilan (a specific type of seaweed extract) was the biggie for us, I'd been giving the other stuff regularly for a long time but for us, the modifilan seems to bypass the regular pathways and DD needed that (funny cause DS didn't, and DS is the one who has more typical metal behaviors). But modifilan is fairly metals focused.
post #555 of 938
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Originally Posted by tanyalynn View Post
You asked about a prenatal (I didn't quote that part, whoops), I'd say Thorne Basic Nutrients are a good start, or the Thorne prenatal. If you need to avoid corn, ask the others here if that's an issue, I think they have something corn-derived but I'm not sure. But other than that, I think it avoids the major allergens.

For DD, given that metals are our issue, well, it was a broad range, lots of vitamin C (that's mostly been a good indicator for us about how much is circulating), multi, extra B vits including folate, mag, a LOT of zinc (surely most people can't need as much as my kids), um... it felt like just about everything but iron and copper. But adding in modifilan (a specific type of seaweed extract) was the biggie for us, I'd been giving the other stuff regularly for a long time but for us, the modifilan seems to bypass the regular pathways and DD needed that (funny cause DS didn't, and DS is the one who has more typical metal behaviors). But modifilan is fairly metals focused.
I'm just curious, how did you determine that metals were her only issue? Or that they were even the "big" issue?
post #556 of 938
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I'm just curious, how did you determine that metals were her only issue? Or that they were even the "big" issue?
It was all me and my health history (allergies and anxiety starting fairly soon after my amalgams were placed, and then health stuff continuing from there), plus the types of things my family gets are just so typical for mercury issues. So even though DD doesn't have anything that's really normal for metals, I knew she had whacked nutrients (based on supplementing myself and matching my health stuff to deficiencies) and too many metals, and I couldn't fathom it not being an issue for her.

And at the beginning, it never occurred to me that we could have two, separate weird health problems. It's funny--making the leap from normal health stuff to the world of weird was tough, but it STILL never occurred to me that we could have another weird issue, when it should've been an easier leap--though I don't think we do. I guess (hope) we'll see come spring, I hope to be done chelating by then, and I hope to just have to work a bit to fiddle with a few nutrients and then have healthy kids. I feel like I'm jinxing myself.
post #557 of 938
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Originally Posted by True Blue View Post
No worries. I'm just kind of at my wits' end. Transitions are such a PITA, and she has two older sibs I have to bus around to stuff, kwim? I'm giving her mag now, oral and bath, trying to get her to take a mB12 daily, but it hasn't been long. I'm taking them too (and they seem to help ME lol), and I take the mthf, still trying to find the best way to get that one into her directly. I haven't really removed sals yet, just tried to cut back a little. I feel like I just have so much going on, it's overwhelming to remove even more at the moment. She is free of everything her IgG showed plus soy right now. I do get to talk the nutritionist from the lab, but not til a week from Monday. : She has however pooped 3 days in a row, not including today, but that's a nice start from 1-2 per week. Smoothies seem to be a great way to hide everything I want to give her, but I'm not sure how to make a good low-sal one just yet...need to sit down with the list and shop, again. And, apparently, figure out more supps. Should I just give her a basic multi, plus the mB12, mhtf, and mag?

DH has been away a LOT lately, so the stress of doing it all alone is rough too. And the lack of sleep. Oh, the lack of sleep.

ETA: How can a little one who nurses all night, not pee til 2pm the next day? That's what she did today. She had a smoothie in the morning, plus more breastmilk. I also wonder about my milk, and me being deficient. Looking for a prenatal without soy or gluten....
Folate passes well through breastmilk, so if you're taking it, you're covered there.

There are no low sals kids multis. Any fruit flavor is a disaster for sals. That's why we use the separate supps.

Taking out sals is a big step, but it can literally change your child overnight (or within a few days, especially if you load mag in while you do it). And everything is easier with a lower needs child. What else are you off, I can try to help with some food ideas (we were off dairy, gluten, soy, corn, potatoes, apples, and sals).
post #558 of 938
I'm so glad I don't have any metal in my teeth. (I had a tiny metal filling but it must have fallen out years ago. I guess I swallowed it. If it had any impact on my health, I haven't been able to determine so.) My mother didn't have any metal in her teeth when she was pregnant with me. Her mother didn't have any metal in her teeth when she was pregnant either. Think of all the health problems we've avoided!
post #559 of 938
OK, we are off gluten, soy, and orange for DD2. She tested barely positive for yeast, I've left it in, but since DS isn't having yeast, we really haven't had much anyway. Oh, and she was positive for yogurt, so I've mostly kept that away. I'm kind 'eh' on that one, bc I can't for the life of me figure out why that would be positive but no other dairy...but I will find out in a week and a half. I'm just so hesitant with the sals, it's a bigger step, IMO, than any of the other things we've eliminated. It doesn't seem to leave much? Do I have to stick with only the foods with "negligible" amounts? It seems like we'll be eating peeled pears, bananas, and cabbage. I'm not gonna lie, apparently everything I love is full of sals (all the more reason for the problems, I suppose). If you take away cumin, I have very little left I can cook. Seriously, I have a bottle from Costco. I know, I'm whining, you were quite clearly off waaaaay more. This would just be a huge step. At least DH will be around these next couple weeks so with some support life will be easier in general. I'm just not enjoying the whole denial of foods to my kids, especially right before Halloween. I know it will all be easier when she is happier, I'm just so tired trying to get there.

I was talking with DS tonight about his eczema and allergies, he had never realized how bad they were. I told him I used to lay next to him and scratch his arms so he could fall asleep. He can't believe no doctors until our new one here ever mentioned food as a source for him. He wishes they did so he wouldn't mind not eating some things, because he wouldn't know any different. It was pretty sad. He said those doctors were stupid! He asked why we didn't do allergy testing sooner, and I told him no one ever said or thought they were needed. It makes me feel really bad, because we did try dairy when he was a nursling but I didn't see any difference in his eczema...wish I'd been paying attention to his gas! And I have a friend whose child has it from soy only, but I was just so certain it wasn't food. Dumb!!

I do have a multi that says no sals, it's the Gummies from Hero Nutritionals. They were on clearance one day so I got some...but no one will eat them since they are the sour ones. I've been taking them, figure better me than no one!! They are free of everything but corn, supposedly, but they told me their organic ones do not have corn products. Can they really be sals-free with fruit flavors and such?
post #560 of 938
I jinxed myself. Said dd's sleep was awful, wouldn't knowingly touch vitamins, was easy to get b12 into and something else. Yeah. She slept really well the next night, asked to make herself a vitamin potion in the morning, then completely avoided the b12 the next day

Brazilnuts for selenium - Lpi says selenium content in brazil nuts varies, so you may need anywhere from 2-20 to get the rda. I've been eating 5-10 a day, based on cravings. Just looked them up and oops, crazy high in omega 6's what does everyone do for selenium?

Folate and b12 are magic for dd. Mag a bit too, and milk, and having good food choices put in front of her. And an unstressed mom and dad. And having stuff to go out and do. With no pressure to do anything she doesn't want to do. And plenty of time to warm up to a situation at her own pace. I can't say I've ever seen a direct link between foods and behavior for her, I think they're there, it's just subtle, and I'm not looking at the right variables, so I've kind of given up.
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