The October "Whatever" Thread - Page 3

[jeninejessica]

Kinder-- I'm jealous. Yours looks so pretty and.... even.

MW-- See and I can crochet, but the knitting is beyond me. I learned *how*, but my tension is all off and by the end of about the third row, it's so tight I can't even move my needles through it. I gave up.

Also lurking-- one the the bloggers that I read, the woman who actually got me "into" natural birth and doula-dom at all, is in the June DDC too, so I keep thinking how neat it would be for us to share a pregnancy. She is pretty much responsible for almost all my current choices and thoughts about natural parenting and birthing and cloth diapering and everything.

I'm still temping for another few days at least and then we'll see where it's at. i'm hoping my temp spikes back up tomorrow and today was an anomaly. My breasts and nipples are still suppppper tender and sore. I'm not enjoying this, especially since it's too early to --mean-- anything. le sigh.

I'm home for the next two days, which is wonderful, but like you said-- I climb the walls when I have that much time to think. At work I'm busy and I don't have time to think about personal things.

[Kindermama]

My temp went below cover-line this am...is that normal for 5dpo? I've heard of implantation dips but are they usually below coverline and this early? I thought implantation didn't occur until at least 6 dpo but with 9dpo being the average? With my last DD I got a positive at 9dpo....

chart

Maybe it's possible? Maybe it's just my thermometer being a dink!

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by Kindermama

My temp went below cover-line this am...is that normal for 5dpo? I've heard of implantation dips but are they usually below coverline and this early? I thought implantation didn't occur until at least 6 dpo but with 9dpo being the average? With my last DD I got a positive at 9dpo....

chart

Maybe it's possible? Maybe it's just my thermometer being a dink!

Implantation can occur anywhere from 5-12dpo, with 7dpo being the average. The implantation dip is not actually caused by implantation. It's caused by a mid-lp estrogen surge that just happens to correspond with the usual implantation time so it is thought that this estrogen surge may aid in implantation if it does occur.

So, yes, it is possible to get an implantation dip at 5dpo. From what I remember reading in TCOYF, I think that the temp should go below the CL. If it doesn't, it may not be significant, not that it's really significant anyway since it occurs on pg and non-pg charts. I'll look on FF to see if they've done any studies comparing the frequency of an implantation dip on pg and non-pg charts.

[MarineWife]

Here's the FF Implantation Dip Study. It showed that a dip did occur more often on pg charts but it did also occur on pg charts. So, like everything else, it may increase the probability that you are pg but it does not definitively show that you are.

Don't you wish there was one single sign right in the middle of your lp that could tell you whether or not you are pg (besides a pg test, that is)? I do. I hate waiting 2 weeks to know for sure.

Here is info on what is thought to cause an implantation dip.

[akind1]

nifty! I had a pretty good dip on my pg chart (from DS), but not below CL.

I crochet -not fantastically, but I can do it. Knitting freaks me out (too many movies use knitting needles as weapons I think), but the thing they use to break your water looks like a crochet hook.
I can't zone out really; if I don't focus on it, my rows are uneven. sometimes when I am doing granny squares I can zone out a bit. I tend to pick up a book instead.

hope everyone's TWW speeds by!

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by akind1

nifty! I had a pretty good dip on my pg chart (from DS), but not below CL.

Well, FF used only a 0.3 degree F dip rather than below the CL. I think TCOYF said it had to go below the CL but TCOYF is much more conservative than FF.

Originally Posted by akind1

I crochet -not fantastically, but I can do it. Knitting freaks me out (too many movies use knitting needles as weapons I think), but the thing they use to break your water looks like a crochet hook.
I can't zone out really; if I don't focus on it, my rows are uneven. sometimes when I am doing granny squares I can zone out a bit. I tend to pick up a book instead.

Too bad we all don't live close to each other. We could have a yarn craft party.

[akind1]

I know; there don't seem to be many MDC mamas near me. the closest I get is the Holistic Moms meeting once a month.

I did run into a CD/EC family yesterday at the zoo! I was so excited! I don't get to talk about how much I love my CD's to people in real life (well, that also use them. I still rave to my 'sposie using friends, in hopes of converting them!)

I am hopeful this month, but mostly whatever. I have temped a bit the last week or so, and definitely having post-o temps and CM. beyond that, I am not exactly sure when I did O, since I kept forgetting to temp pre-O. Getting baby to sleep in his crib through the night was a big accomplishment, and has been more our focus these last few weeks.

Does anybody else wish they had actually journaled their prior pregnancy so they could compare notes? I thought all those pregnancy journals I saw when I was pregnant were silly. Now I wish I had done that!

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by akind1

Getting baby to sleep in his crib through the night was a big accomplishment, and has been more our focus these last few weeks.

I recently started putting my boys to sleep in their own beds in their own room as a gesture to my dh. I have been losing a lot of sleep because of it. My 3yo doesn't usually wake up in the middle of the night but my 6yo does. Many times it's like he's sleep walking because he goes screaming through the house for me rather than just coming in my bedroom. It's weird. In the last few days that my dh has been gone we've all been sleeping in my bed again and I've been getting much better sleep.

I'm a bit annoyed with my dh about all of this. He was the one who wanted the boys in their own room so that we could have more private time. Now that I'm doing something about that, the dh falls asleep in the boys room and either stays there all night or wakes up just enough to move into our room and crashes again. So much for private time and I'm the one exhausted all day because I was woken up at least twice during the night.

[Baby_Cakes]

Originally Posted by akind1

Does anybody else wish they had actually journaled their prior pregnancy so they could compare notes? I thought all those pregnancy journals I saw when I was pregnant were silly. Now I wish I had done that!

Yes, me! I kept one somewhat on babyfit.com, but only sporadically. Next pg I'm hoping I take the time to really journal. I know I've forgotten so much!

Originally Posted by MarineWife

So much for private time and I'm the one exhausted all day because I was woken up at least twice during the night.

Seriously!

For the past month I've been working to get Nora to sleep in her own room. But it isn't working. It's just she and I bedsharing in a different room. DH gets the comfy bed and I get to sleep on a hard lumpy futon w/DD on top of me.

I don't know what the next step is. I think what I need to do is leave the room once she's back asleep instead of staying in there. This morning I was up at 2 b/c she was crowding me so bad. I almost left the room then but wasn't sure where the monitor was, and didn't want to go digging around for it. Sigh. I just try to keep in mind that someday she will sleep on her own. Someday!!

[Kindermama]

Originally Posted by MarineWife

Here's the FF Implantation Dip Study. It showed that a dip did occur more often on pg charts but it did also occur on pg charts. So, like everything else, it may increase the probability that you are pg but it does not definitively show that you are.

Don't you wish there was one single sign right in the middle of your lp that could tell you whether or not you are pg (besides a pg test, that is)? I do. I hate waiting 2 weeks to know for sure.

Here is info on what is thought to cause an implantation dip.

Wow! thanks for the links. Very informative----so basically it doesn't mean anything or it can mean everything. Another reason for wait and see....

[akind1]

Carrie, that is really what I should do, take him back to his crib once he's fallen back to sleep, but I tend to fall asleep also . . . Last night he woke up at around 1 a.m. I think he was having a nightmare or something. Our house is small enough, I don't feel the need of a monitor for sound, but I do want a video monitor. Wish they weren't so expensive!

Can you and DH switch beds?

MW: do your boys sleep all in one bed or separately? I knew a family that did child bed-sharing and it seemed to work really well for them. That said; when your DH is gone, why wouldn't you all share a bed? It is lonely in a bed all by yourself when your are accustomed to having company.

I can't even go back and look at the message boards from when I was TTC and then pregnant, because the site I was active on was bought out by Disney, and then shut down altogether. oh well.

I asked told today (after I mentioned that DS is super-mobile, but not walking yet) if maybe he was trying to get out of the way for someone (as in a new baby). I had never heard this particular . . .old wive's tale is not the right word, nor is superstition . . . but does make you wonder!

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by Kindermama

Wow! thanks for the links. Very informative----so basically it doesn't mean anything or it can mean everything. Another reason for wait and see....

Haha! Yep, that's a good way to put it. I'm glad you were able to access those links. I wasn't sure if they were for VIPs only. For future reference, if you go to the charting FAQs, you can do a search for FF studies. I have not been able to find a page that contains all of their studies listed. Kind of annoying.

katrina ~ My 6yo refuses to sleep with his little brother so they are in separate beds. They are bunk beds so dh and I take turns sleeping with each one on different nights. It's pretty funny seeing my dh climb into the top bunk every night. I've been trying to come up with a way to put both beds on the ground so that I could get both of them to sleep and then sneak off to dh in our room. I don't fall asleep as quickly nor sleep as soundly as dh so it's easier for me to get up and switch rooms. The boys' room is so small I'm not sure how to fit the beds down. I had originally tried putting just the mattresses on the floor together to make one big bed when I was trying to get this accomplished before dh got home but that didn't work. Also, I get a bit annoyed if I have to put them to bed by myself every night. The only reason they go to bed as early as they do is for dh. I don't like to go to bed so early so I feel put out by it. It's a work in progress.

[Baby_Cakes]

Originally Posted by akind1

Can you and DH switch beds?

We can, and we do. We switch off like every 3rd night or so, and if I'm working the next day he sleeps w/ her regardless.

It's helpful to have a sound monitor, b/c w/dd being only on the floor or in her toddler bed, I want to hear her if she gets up. If she were safe in a crib, I'd be ok letting her fuss a bit, but ever since she was tiny we've bed-shared or co-slept. It makes having a monitor kind of a must-have thing. Plus, if I can get to her right as she's fussing and kind of lay her back down and pat her bottom, usually she falls right back to sleep. Not so if she actually gets up and has to come find one of us. Usually takes rocking or a lot more effort.


OMG I'm only 2dpo.

[akind1]

We did have a sound monitor . . .but I heard him before I really heard him on the monitor . . so I consigned it since being in his crib, he doesn't really seem to fuss. if he wakes in the middle of the night, he goes straight to full wail. DH has been going to get him, as the assumption is he is hungry, we haven't tried just laying him back down without a snack first. Might try to . . .

MW: small bedrooms are awful! two twins won't fit in the room? (Not that I would be surprised; I recall the bedroom I grew up in as quite small, 10x10, and once we moved on base it wasn't much better even though it was Officer housing)

I am more of an early to bed person, DH is a night owl. same goes for mornings; I like to be up early-ish, and he likes to sleep in. Always says he would love to be a morning person! but regardless, still would rather sleep. Makes weekends difficult.

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by akind1

MW: small bedrooms are awful! two twins won't fit in the room? (Not that I would be surprised; I recall the bedroom I grew up in as quite small, 10x10, and once we moved on base it wasn't much better even though it was Officer housing)

10X10 is about the size of the room. Two twins would fit but then not much else would. We probably have entirely too much stuff. We have two dressers (one serves as a changing table), a book shelf, two cubby style nightstands and a toy box in there. I want to take the bunk bed down and try a few different ways but can't do it without my dh.

We do have two larger rooms that we could use if we moved things around but I really don't want to. The larger bedroom is occupied by my 19yo and the bonus room, which is very large, is the upstairs play/TV/computer room. My 19yo would love to move into the larger bonus room but he trashes everything so I want him to stay in the room that he's already destroyed. I don't want to move the younger boys into that room because then the upstairs playroom would be tiny and not large enough for everything I want in there.

Talking about kids waking in the night, I have a funny story from last night. My 3yo woke up around 4 am and was very upset. He was so mad at me that he climbed out of the bed and layed down on the floor. He said he wouldn't talk to me. I couldn't figure out what I had done to make him so mad. Finally, he mumbled something about me being mean because I ate all of his food. He must have dreamed it but thought it was true!

[jeninejessica]

MW-- I'm assuming putting one of the mattressed on the floor under the bottom bunk and sliding it out at night wouldn't work? Then you'd have room during the day as well, but I'm not sure if it would be too long to slide in and out.

RE: Implantation dip-- if I'm reading that right, it means if you have one, you're more likely to be pregnant than not pregnant, but-- 70% of women who ARE pregnant still don't have them... What a useless confusing sign! lol

From a trust standpoint I've always been told it's better to put the child in their bed intially rather than letting them fall asleep and then moving them, with the reasoning that if they wake up in a strange bed they don't want to be in, and knwo they've been moved, they'll start to fight falling asleep altogether, because they don't want the inevitable moving to happen. But-- easier said than done I know.

AFM: My temp today was higher than yesterday, but not 'high enough', and to top things off, I woke up feeling sick, so it's not all that accurate. I do 'feel' like I 'oed though, but I guess I'll keep temping and see what happens.

[Baby_Cakes]

Originally Posted by jeninejessica

From a trust standpoint I've always been told it's better to put the child in their bed intially rather than letting them fall asleep and then moving them, with the reasoning that if they wake up in a strange bed they don't want to be in, and knwo they've been moved, they'll start to fight falling asleep altogether, because they don't want the inevitable moving to happen. But-- easier said than done I know.

ITA w/this in theory! But you're right, much easier said than done. Especially when you have a baby/toddler who can't fall asleep on their own. Sometimes now, I can just lay w/DD w/her in her bed and me on the floor and hold her hand and she falls asleep. But usually, I nurse her down somewhere else and then move her to her bed.

When she was tiny, I always nursed her down in the living room and then put her in bed, either in our bed or in her crib.

This is my big argument for wanting a TV in the bedroom, but DH won't do it. I want to nurse my baby to sleep in bed and then just go to sleep, no stress, no moving them and praying they stay asleep. But of course, he shoots that down b/c he doesn't want a tv in there. Why? It's not as though it would keep us from DTD. We do that at odd times anyway!

re: your temp - if it dipped down to the CL and then back up again, you should still be ok/could still be post O. Mine did that a few cycles ago, remember?

Oh - how is the 30 day shred going w/you and your DH? I've been doing great w/the treadmill. This morning I was at my goal weight!! I'm going to keep at it so I can surpass it and stay fit. But as of today I'm officially 135lbs and at the weight I wanted to be at when I got pg. So hopefully - i'm pg! LOL!

[Kimmiepie]

Originally Posted by MarineWife

Too bad we all don't live close to each other. We could have a yarn craft party.

That would be so fun! I crochet! I just invited myself.

The economy is really taking it's toll on everyone because I'm having a hard time selling yarn that would have been gone in a second not too long ago!

[akind1]

I second the idea of trundled bed! I always thought those were ideal for sleep overs.

I think we have entirely too many signs that are maybes. I just keep reminding myself, that all will reveal itself in due time. If I am pregnant, then it will be as true at 12 DPO as 15 DPO (just throwing random numbers out there). If I am not, then I am not, and nothing I can do about it at this point. I am having serious cramping and fullness sensations going on today . . .but trying not to focus on my uterus!

I have tried to lay him down drowsy but awake, and that used to work, but not lately. so he is generally asleep when I have transferred him, though I am trying to do that when he is only *mostly* asleep, i.e, still sucking his thumb, not completely blissed out.

Have to say, I am with Carrie's DH; I am very anti TV in the bedroom. nothing to do with DTD; just it is a distraction in a room that should be for sleep, and other bedroom activities and I can't sleep with it on, it is distracting for it to be on in the next room, let alone the one I am in, trying to sleep. But my parents have always had one in their room. Whatever works, so long as both of you are happy with it -

[Baby_Cakes]

Well, in the pro-tv-in-the-bedroom defense, I just like to watch TV while I nurse. Then once baby is out, I'd turn it right off! But we're a big TV family. Right now we only have 1 central TV and it's fine for now, and I wouldn't put a TV in a kids room (under like 8 years old or so) but for watching Top Chef or House at night while nursing? I'm all for it.

And somehow I'm still only 2DPO. Floors are mopped, bathroom is spotless, laundry & dishes are done...and it's only quarter after 4 pm! Ugh!