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post #21 of 71
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Originally Posted by soso-lynn View Post
I do understand that the climate in the "land of the free" is much scarier than here in Canada but I find the general paranoia about this kindof survey a bit extreme.

If non- and selective vaxers are misrepresented in such studies, it actually puts them more at risk of future problems. The reason govts can get away with mandating vaxs is that they have stats that show that people are highly vaccinated and epidemics do not seem too common. If they had the real rates, it might look a lot less convincing to force kids to get vaccinated. They also look at adverse reactions per million children receiving the vaccines. If non-vaxers are not included, it makes vaccines seem safer.

So, while there is a possibility that the government will be sending the men in black to inject your children in their sleep, the more likely scenario is that there are a bunch of exasperated medical sociologists at the CDC wondering why non vaxers keep hanging up the phone.
I tend to agree. It seems to me like the amount of concern in this area is way out of proportion to the actual threat. Bordering on paranoia, really. But I'm sure that others think that I am being naive.
post #22 of 71
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Originally Posted by 13Sandals View Post
I received a letter in the mail saying we'd been randomly selected But there is absolutely no reason for them to contact the doctor to check vaccination rates - the doctors already report the rates in their practice - why would they need the names of the non-vaxers?

I do deeply mistrust the government. I don't believe the surveys are 'random' and I do believe they are compiling a database of 'refusers' - all for the good of the public health, no doubt. Funny the guy on the phone mentioned pertussis. Since pertussis is considered 'epidemic' right now, there are all kinds of 'health law' loopholes that can kick-in to circumvent privacy.

Our government has illegally wire-tapped our homes, tortured citizens, etc all in the name of national security... what makes you think they wouldn't illegally get your non-compliant health info for 'the greater good'?
Not every medical record is reported to the CDC, so they don't know every vaccination or vaccine-refusal. That's why they do the studies. They get their percentages of people who vaccinate based on these interviews, and follow-up confirmations with HCPs, and extrapolate for the population.
post #23 of 71
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Originally Posted by heathergirl67 View Post
Not every medical record is reported to the CDC, so they don't know every vaccination or vaccine-refusal. That's why they do the studies. They get their percentages of people who vaccinate based on these interviews, and follow-up confirmations with HCPs, and extrapolate for the population.
Well, that's the problem isn't it? Its billed as a 'health' study, but the only concern is vaccine uptake. The letter I received specifically said they are looking for vaccine coverage, in order to provide better health coverage in certain areas. They are not doing a study to improve health outcomes, they are doing a 'study' to find resistant pockets of non-vaxers. And Heather, if my insurance company can send me reminders saying not all members of my family are up-to-date on vaccines - then I'm pretty sure the CDC can get vaccine rate coverage for most zipcodes in America without 'random', time-wasting phone surveys. Again, the letter states very clearly its about vaccine coverage, and the letter even ends with helpful info on where I can get vaccinated nearby! "Extrapolate for the population".
post #24 of 71
Valuing your privacy is not paranoia; it just means you don't think any old stranger who calls has a right to your private medical information--no, not even if they have a shiny badge and collect a government paycheck. My family's vaccine status is none of their business.
post #25 of 71
My conversation would have sounded more like "None of your business!" [click]
post #26 of 71
I haven't been contacted. We also screen all our calls though. Ds has and exemption on file from years back when he was in developmental preschool.
post #27 of 71
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Originally Posted by peainthepod View Post
Valuing your privacy is not paranoia; it just means you don't think any old stranger who calls has a right to your private medical information--no, not even if they have a shiny badge and collect a government paycheck. My family's vaccine status is none of their business.
post #28 of 71
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Originally Posted by peainthepod View Post
Valuing your privacy is not paranoia; it just means you don't think any old stranger who calls has a right to your private medical information--no, not even if they have a shiny badge and collect a government paycheck. My family's vaccine status is none of their business.
post #29 of 71

I also got the call ...

but my daughter was too old for all the questions. In one sense, I'm glad I answered the one question because they need to know the real number of healthy, non-vaxed kids!
post #30 of 71
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Originally Posted by peainthepod View Post
Valuing your privacy is not paranoia; it just means you don't think any old stranger who calls has a right to your private medical information--no, not even if they have a shiny badge and collect a government paycheck. My family's vaccine status is none of their business.
Valuing your privacy also =/= thinking that they're out to get you.
post #31 of 71
Wow, that is weird. I'm really surprised they are asking for such personal information. Whether I vax or not is a non-issue, I would NOT be giving personal information out. No way, no how. I would willingly answer their questions if it was TRULY anonymous, but I wouldn't be giving out my name, my child's, or doctor's name.
post #32 of 71
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Originally Posted by heathergirl67 View Post
Valuing your privacy also =/= thinking that they're out to get you.
No argument here...
post #33 of 71
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Originally Posted by november View Post
Wow, that is weird. I'm really surprised they are asking for such personal information. Whether I vax or not is a non-issue, I would NOT be giving personal information out. No way, no how. I would willingly answer their questions if it was TRULY anonymous, but I wouldn't be giving out my name, my child's, or doctor's name.
Agreed. My kids are fully vaxxed, and I still wouldn't give out any personal information, wouldn't tell them the child's name or the doctor's name. If it's just a study, there is no reason for them to have it.
post #34 of 71
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Originally Posted by heathergirl67 View Post
Valuing your privacy also =/= thinking that they're out to get you.
LOL actually, you could value your privacy without believing they are out to get you, or you could value your privacy believing they are out to get you.

In the case of refusing vaccines, I'll admit to option 2, but that isn't always the case with the secrets I keep. just for the record!
post #35 of 71
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Originally Posted by 13Sandals View Post
And Heather, if my insurance company can send me reminders saying not all members of my family are up-to-date on vaccines - then I'm pretty sure the CDC can get vaccine rate coverage for most zipcodes in America without 'random', time-wasting phone surveys.
I don't really see any logical connection between the two.
post #36 of 71
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Originally Posted by 13Sandals View Post
LOL actually, you could value your privacy without believing they are out to get you, or you could value your privacy believing they are out to get you.

In the case of refusing vaccines, I'll admit to option 2, but that isn't always the case with the secrets I keep. just for the record!
That's the point I was trying to make. I said that some people's concern is so over-the-top that it borders on paranoia. Someone responded, "Valuing my privacy doesn't make me paranoid." I was agreeing, trying to clarify that not everyone who values their privacy is automatically paranoid. An attitude of, "It's none of your business" is, IMO, much less paranoid-sounding than, "You only want to know this so that you can kidnap my kids and vaccinate them."
post #37 of 71
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Originally Posted by 13Sandals View Post
Well, that's the problem isn't it? Its billed as a 'health' study, but the only concern is vaccine uptake. The letter I received specifically said they are looking for vaccine coverage, in order to provide better health coverage in certain areas. They are not doing a study to improve health outcomes, they are doing a 'study' to find resistant pockets of non-vaxers. And Heather, if my insurance company can send me reminders saying not all members of my family are up-to-date on vaccines - then I'm pretty sure the CDC can get vaccine rate coverage for most zipcodes in America without 'random', time-wasting phone surveys. Again, the letter states very clearly its about vaccine coverage, and the letter even ends with helpful info on where I can get vaccinated nearby! "Extrapolate for the population".
What you are not considering is the fact that information is not freely shared between all government agencies and even less with private companies such as insurance. The department trying to study vaccination rates may not be allowed access to self-reports from doctors and they certainly don't have access to your insurance company's records. All those report systems may not be precise enough for the people in charge of this study. You can also ask them who they are sharing their info with and I am sure that they could not give your name to public health in case of an outbreak.

I find it strange that so many people complain about bias in scientific research yet refuse to answer these kinds of surveys. I guess it's just better to wait for the completed study and complain that non-vaxers are misrepresented or that numbers are misleading.
post #38 of 71
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Originally Posted by soso-lynn View Post
What you are not considering is the fact that information is not freely shared between all government agencies and even less with private companies such as insurance. The department trying to study vaccination rates may not be allowed access to self-reports from doctors and they certainly don't have access to your insurance company's records. All those report systems may not be precise enough for the people in charge of this study. You can also ask them who they are sharing their info with and I am sure that they could not give your name to public health in case of an outbreak.

I find it strange that so many people complain about bias in scientific research yet refuse to answer these kinds of surveys. I guess it's just better to wait for the completed study and complain that non-vaxers are misrepresented or that numbers are misleading.
And I do not think that it's the research they are complaining about. It's the "what is your name and address...child's name...doctor's name address..." that has people put off. I don't give this information out to anyone.

If they truly want an anonymous survey, they should be sending out a mass mailing that can be filled out and mailed that does not ask for names, addresses, or phone numbers. I don't think a parent has such a faulty memory as to if their child is vaccinated or not. Most parents know if their child is fully vaccinated, selectively vaccinated or unvaccinated. So, needing the medical records from the doctor seems like hogwash.

Send me a truly anonymous study and I'll answer it. Start trying to qualify that study with the names of my children and all...and you won't get anything...because THAT is simply none of their business and it doesn't make the study good or bad.
post #39 of 71
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Originally Posted by soso-lynn View Post
I find it strange that so many people complain about bias in scientific research yet refuse to answer these kinds of surveys. I guess it's just better to wait for the completed study and complain that non-vaxers are misrepresented or that numbers are misleading.
This isn't scientific research. I don't see any evidence that they're even PLANNING research with the information. Totally different creature.

-Angela
post #40 of 71
They don't need a phone survey or doctor records to check vax data - they have birth records and every state has a registry...all they have to do is compare.

They are trying to gather info on why we don't vax and the doctors that allow it. The information is to update their propaganda campaigns.

They don't need your personal info except to find out who your doctor is.
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