Ugh, ironically we recently had some personal experience with this :-( This thread has new meaning to me now, lol. So, for Halloween we were flying from NYC to Detroit Michigan to be with my family. And I had G with me, and the person that tells you what line to get in told me to get into one, and my husband Kent into the other. I'm pregnant but don't really have problems going through the metal scanner so I did. But Kent was told to go through this x-ray thing, and he said he didn't want to. So he went through the metal detector, but JUST by refusing to go through the x-ray scanner, he had to go through more rigorous testing. All the details are a little fuzzy for me now because the whole thing was so upsetting. So at this time they tested the clothes he was wearing and patted him down, and what are the odds of this, he somehow tested positive for explosives (?????). My husband is one of the greatest guys you'll ever meet and a medical doctor. He told the airport people he is a doctor and regularly handles peoples medications, which the ppl said can be why he tested positive but because of this all of our luggage had to be opened up in front of everyone at the airport and searched for explosives. My husband is a doctor who works every day to save peoples lives and help them. How many ppl who want to take explosives on a plane are MD's and have their pregnant wife and toddler with them? I said this to the airport ppl but they didn't care. So because of this they said they had to do a "thorough pat down" but wouldn't tell me what exactly this meant despite asking multiple times which is one of the things that upset me the most. So these guys take him into this private room, and my toddler FREAKS OUT, and is crying and screaming at the door :-( When Kent got out he wouldn't tell me the details because he was so upset about the whole thing but later he told me they completely groped his balls. Like push things side to side, feel under. I asked him if it was palm up just now and he said he doesn't remember. I think that this is infringing on peoples RIGHTS and it makes me so upset. Why should men and women and children be sexually groped just to get on an airplane? I wish I remembered the links but this guy talked about all these things airlines could do that would make things safer that don't involve infringing on peoples rights and making the whole process EXTREMELY unpleasant. Anyone know who I'm talking about? I just think airlines really have people by the balls (literally and figuratively now unfortunately) because when ppl go on vacation, you've taken a lot of time packing, planning, paying for hotels at your destination, you've taken off from work. How many ppl will turn down their much awaited Hawaiian vacation because they are going to get thoroughly patted down? I don't think a lot of ppl and it really makes me nervous. If you turned it down and thus couldn't get on your flight, I really wouldn't be surprised if the airline still wouldn't refund your ticket. The whole thing is just awful and it really makes me wish there were more trains in this country like there are in Europe. I am still so upset about what happened. I was patted down with G on another trip and I found it upsetting enough. Having my boobs and crotch groped??? Um, NO WAY! I felt so bad for my husband, him getting his balls groped while his toddler son screams for him and is crying, hitting the door. Can you imagine?!!?
And when I was watching one of the guys digging into our luggage, the supervisor who was standing with us called over to him and said "test your gloves first!". So the guy pulled his hands out of our luggage and THEN tested his hands for whatever. He didn't even follow protocol. Was HE the one who tested my husband for explosives? Because maybe it was residue from something else and he didn't change his damn gloves. I said to the supervisor "We haven't had the time to go on a date in two years, you think we have the time to dabble in explosives?" ugh.
Edited by OrangeMoon - 11/16/10 at 10:24am
Originally Posted by MegBoz
Originally Posted by OrangeMoon
Aren't these machines totally new though? I can just picture a study a few years from now like "Airport scanners 30,000 times stronger than previously thought." No way would I walk through one of those while pregnant. Even not pregnant I don't think I would. Lots of things when they come out are "proven" to be safe that are later shown not to be. Like x-rays during pregnancy were recommended way back when - things like that make me try and think for myself.
Exactly! Heck, I just heard of research in the past year that CT Scans have a lot more radiation than previously thought -and they've been around a LOT longer than these new scanners!
I read some articles about people being given a really hard time for trying to opt out of the new scanners - so don't be so sure you can always jump into the line with the regular old-style metal detectors without repercussions.
Originally Posted by MamaChef
Originally Posted by WifeofAnt
What if the fuel system on the plane malfunctions? What if birds fly into the engines? What if the wheels don't come down properly on landing? What if lightning strikes the plane?
Yes, there is a risk walking into a scanner. There's also a risk in flying, driving, and doing everything else we do on a daily basis.
Well, believing in God, those are things out of my control.. What is in my control is letting my government do things that that are unnessecary and treating it's citizenry like criminals with no proven benefit to my safety and possible detriment. We are the only country doing these ridiculous enhanced pat downs. Very few use these scanners.
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin
I cringe at the world Im bringing my child into where violations like these are condoned by the masses.
Well, I'm an atheist, but I agree with your sentiment here & I love that Ben Franklin quote.
Birds flying into the engines isn't an applicable analogy here in the least. As Liora eloquently stated, "There are risks you can control and those you can't." Besides, this isn't just about risk - it's about CHOICE! The choice between technology of somewhat unknown safety, and a totally invasive pat down/groping is unacceptable.