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post #1 of 33
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I am mostly a lurker here but have posted a few times. Its always been about my H. I post here because who knows what is going to happen and I figure that you girls could offer some btdt advice...

For the past year or so, H has been telling me that he wants to move out because I no longer provide him any affection. He says that I don't kiss him or initiate any affection. I will say that some of that is true. I am so busy with ft work, taking care of two little ones, trying to keep up with a house, etc. that I usually just don't have any energy left. He does work long hours so he doesn't get home til late which by then all I want to do is pass out from exhaustion. He did not (until recently) assist in caring for the children, housework, etc. I did it all. Earlier this year I found out that he was talking to another woman. I snooped into his call records. Through internet researching I was able to find out who she was, where she worked, and where she lived. I monitored this for a few months. They texted 24/7! I am not sure how she got any work done because all she did was text him and vice versa. In March, he took an out of town trip, saying he just needed to get away... I came to the conclusion that she joined him on this trip because while he was gone all texting ceased and started back again on his return. In May, i confronted him with this information and instead of fessing up he totally turned everything around and said that I should not have been snooping around and he couldnt' believe I had done that. He also said that all of the energy I was using to snoop around should have been used to improve myself-regarding the lack of affection... He told me that he did not want to talk about her and that she had nothing to do with it. I did not believe him. Summer came and went and in end of July he told me, again, that he was moving out. At this point, he had told me so many times that I no longer took him seriously. I have to admit that I pretty much carried on as normal... we still had sex... I thought alot about them and had gut feelings but I just pushed it to the back of my mind. I quit checking call records as often mostly because I didn't want to face the fact that they were still texting (up to 300 times every two days)... I felt sick everytime I saw it. Last week, someone told me that they saw them together so I knew for sure that they were still talking. For the past month I had noticed that he was spending more time at home, helping with chores, making dinner, etc. It was nice having the help and I have to admit that it felt like old times... I had this hope that he has stopped talking to her and we could get back to our lives... I need to mention that throughout these months I could never get myself to fully give him what he wanted (eventhough I so desperately wanted us to stay together). I just couldn't knowing that she was in the picture. The thought of them consumed my thoughts all day, everyday.

Last night he came home from work and told me that he had broken it off with her because he wanted to work things out with me... I flat out asked him (since he would never admit to it before eventhough all the clues were there) if he was having an affair. He said yes. They had slept together several times and she had accompanied him on the three trips he had taken between March and Sept. He told me that they did not always use condoms!!! He also mentioned to me that they had plans on moving in together and already had their apt. lined up when he decided to break it off. I had no idea that he was planning on moving in with her! I asked him lots of questions. She totally knew about me, knows where I work, what I look like, etc. How could a woman do this to another woman! Anyhow, he proceeds to tell me that at some point in this year he had become depressed because he felt so alone, that I had no room for him in my life because I was too busy with work and kids, and that he just wanted to end his life - because I was not the person that he wanted me to be... That is why he started a relationship with her. She gave him that attention.

I did not know what to say. I just felt so numb. He now is laying it on me as far as whether we separate or not. I am just not feeling anything. I am just totally disgusted. Disgusted that he would do this, disgusted that he was such a coward, and disgusted that his penis was in someone else.

I just don't know what to say, how to act, or what to do... I am just so numb...
post #2 of 33
Well, it sounds like it was waiting to happen. Both of you dropped the ball when you stopped supporting each other, when you stopped putting each other first. A marriage just can't survive that way.

It's up to you whether you try to fix this or cut your losses. I don't know you so I don't know whether you will be able to heal from this and love him again... so do some soul-searching and figure that out for yourself, and honestly evaluate whether he's willing to recommit to you. Then decide whether you want to recommit to him.
post #3 of 33
I'm so sorry sweetie.

Been there. Everything you describe is textbook.

I would suggest taking some time--you don't need to make a decision right now. The first ten days were REALLY hard for me--the numbness you mention. Here are some suggestions:

1) Both of you get STD tests
2) Marriage counseling
3) Transparency from him

If you do decide you have an interest in reconciling know that he needs to be transparent and be truly remorseful. It is good that he finally came to you and admitted the truth. Reconciliation can happen but it is VERY hard work.

Check out www.survivinginfidelity.com

Also, Not Just Friends by Shirley Glass is a fantastic book.

Actions really speak louder than his words right now.

Make sure you eat and drink something every day. You'll get through this either way you end up going. Gotta go for now.
post #4 of 33
Ugh. That's awful - sorry you've had your worst fear confirmed. He came home and announced he wanted to work it out with you and that's why he broke up with her? Or - is it that she dumped him? I don't want to make it worse - just saying to be careful. What is his demeanor?

First of all - yes, get tested. That is #1 - he put you at risk, didn't care what the consequences were. I would have a very hard time seeing past that, for starters.

And if he wants it to work out with you, what is HE doing to change the dynamic? This guy should be crawling all over himself doing anything and everything to be contrite, to make you happy, to convince you to stay. You said he didn't help much before, doesn't care that you were exhausted. Well, if he's really interested in re-building a relationship, he can't keep expecting you to be in several places at once - working full-time and being fully responsible for the kids. So he can either make more money so that you can stay home (if that's what you wanted, for example), or he can step up doing his part for the kids. Really - a truly contrite man would be bereft that he almost ruined his family - he wouldn't just glumly say, "The ball's in your court." What reason is he giving YOU to stay? It's not enough that he simply isn't having the affair any more.

As for, "he had become depressed because he felt so alone, that I had no room for him in my life because I was too busy with work and kids, and that he just wanted to end his life - because I was not the person that he wanted me to be..." - just one big . Yeah, it's nice that he had TIME to feel "alone", because you were the one doing everything! I notice he wasn't feeling so badly about it that he HELPED you so that you'd have more time to focus on the marriage. This statement is all about him - what he needed, how hard it was for him... What about how it's been for you? Where's your trophy for holding it all together while he felt sorry for himself and comforted himself with the attentions of another person? Seems like you were pretty "alone" yourself. So really, don't let him hold that garbage over your head. It's ridiculous.
post #5 of 33
im so sorry your going thru this first off. unfortuantly im kinda in the same predictiment im going on day 3...i wish i had words of wisdom for you but i cant even help myself lol. I found out he was texting/calling a girl all day everyday i discovered this less than a month ago asked him if there was anything or anybody else he was hiding he ensured me there wasnt we stayed together we moved on. Honestly we were doing real good but i still felt a gut feeling so three days ago i checked an old cell he had to discover he was talking to 2 OTHER GIRLS..while he was talking to the other!!! Sorry for the long story but what am saying is i totally understand and your not alone. Im getting prepared for seperation tho looking at job opportunties and at apartments.
post #6 of 33
Forgive me if I seem to go all over the place with this post. I got the feeling NEITHER one of you was getting your needs met. When people don't get their needs met, usually they'll look for someone else to fulfill those needs or they shut down emotionally.

You feel numb right now cause you've been on the crazy train for awhile. You don't know what to do, say or feel, and that's completely understandable. I've been there.

I do believe that it takes TWO people to make a marriage work. It's not fair to just have one to limp it along. To be honest, I was never mad at the other woman. She didn't make vows with me. He did. There will always be homewreckers on this planet.

If you BOTH want to make it work, I recommend a good therapist. Sometimes a good therapist is cheaper than a divorce and child support. If he has an affair again, then I'd say you're wasting your time with him. You deserve to be respected and to have honesty in your marriage. I do believe respect should be #1 in a marriage. If people respected each other, they wouldn't do some of the things they do.

I've known some people who've gone through this kind of thing and they split up and they were both better off. And I've known some others who've practically went through hell and they have a stronger marriage in spite of it.

It's really your call. If the marriage is to work and be healthy and positive, I believe both parties have to step up to the plate and work on it. Regardless of what you do, a therapist (who doesn't pick sides) would be beneficial I think. There's a great book called His Needs, Her Needs.

I wish you and your family the best in whatever you decide...
post #7 of 33
(((hugs))) that sux momma. it sounds like he wants to work it out but at the same token he can not blame you for everything.

serious counseling is in order whether you do it together or for yourself (if you split)

idk what kind of woman she is but she disgusts me straight up. i hope she cant live with herslef. you have children and are married!! hello!! that is for life. shes a hussy IMO but H was still a jerk for going there....

first and foremost make him get tested before being with him again...
post #8 of 33

So very sorry you are going thru this sending you tons of and as you figure out which path the the right one for your family to take now.



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Originally Posted by cnfusd View Post
She totally knew about me, knows where I work, what I look like, etc. How could a woman do this to another woman!

I have a "friend" who is "the other woman" when she started sleeping with her DS#2's father she knew he was married with many children. She justifies her affair with a married man as "she was not talking care of his needs why shouldn't I". Also apparently she (the mistress) "taught" the wandering husband to be a more active part of his family. The affair has been ongoing for more than 2.5 years. He has very little to do with the child and really only visits for sexual gratification disguised as visits to his son. The wife and an oldest daughter suspect the father has had an affair but have not had their suspicions confirmed. I for all the children hurt in this situation and all those like it out there. I feel that mistresses make themselves blind to the harm they are causing families and justify their actions as helping. All seem to me to be symptoms of “our” society’s gimme gimme gimme me culture.


Edited by BabyBearsMummy - 2/14/11 at 4:00pm
post #9 of 33
You've gotten some great responces. I'd like to add my 2 pennies.

I was where you are now 6 yrs ago.
I was 'ultra-mom', did everything related to the kids and honestly had next to nothing left to give to hubby.
His affair was the product of both of us.
He told me he needed more, needed to be higher on my list, needed to be wanted, needed me to make time for him.
I made excuses instead of really listening to him. I kept a running scoreboard of how much I did and how little he did.

Ultimately he cheated and had to take responsibility for that ultimate betrayal.
I had to look at the part I played in that.

My therapist told me I had to ask myself 3 questions.
1. Do I want to make it work?
2. Does the good outweight the bad? (overall)
3. Am I willing to make changes in myself?

I decided that our marriage was worth it. It was WORK! It was painful and frustrating and HARD! But, it was worth every single second.

In your case, I think he's right in giving you the choice about whether or not to save the marriage.
He is the one who cheated. You have to decide if you're willing to forgive that.
You also need to decide whether or not you're willing to be a part of making it work. Are you willing to make changes in your lifestyle to make repairing and maintaining your relationship? Are you willing to take partial responsibility for the breakdown of your relationship?
(before I get Flammed like crazy, note- Im NOT blaming you at all. I just feel very strongly that in your case and a great deal of infidelity in general the saying 'it takes 2 to tango' applies)

If you decide to make this work, and he does too, grieve for a while. Get the book "After the Affair"- its absolutley fantasic and includes exercises for both partners.
Keep a journal and write all the hurt and anger and frustration out.
Write to your hubby, use "I" statements. I feel, I want, I need..
Tell him you want it to work, but will need to heal a bit.

((Hugs)) I'm writing to you with love. I know you're hurting and can barely wrap your head around all this. I know you alternate between being numb, being unable to stop crying and feeling like you could kill him and/or her.
It'll get better, I promise. <3
post #10 of 33
I just don't see how she can do any more if he does not change. It's not about keeping a list, it's just a fact there are only so many hours in a day, and if they both work full-time but she ALSO has all the parenting when they're home, that's TWO jobs to his one. At some point she does have to sleep and hey, maybe even have time for herself. It is simply not fair that he expects her to have two jobs, while he has one - and yet in his mind it's all about him, him, him.

While the OP was working and caring for the kids, HE had plenty of time to go have an affair. I'm just sayin'. He could have been helping her out so that they WOULD have more time together, but he chose to use his time doing... other things. I don't see how the OP can possibly do any more than she's already done, when she's exhausted because he won't step up to the plate. On top of that she's supposed to lavish him with attention? Where's the attention and appreciation for all she does?
post #11 of 33
Word to MissLotus. He needs to be doing everything he can possibly do to help her right now. And at the moment, it is not about her role in the marriage. That can come later.

It only takes one to cheat and lie--he is 100% responsible for that decision. And I would disagree with statements like it was waiting to happen or that's what usually happens. There were many other options for him if he was unhappy with his marriage. This reflects something broken in HIM that he chose infidelity.
post #12 of 33
OP, if he is blaming it all on you....making it all your responsibility....because you didn't do x, y, z, for him to make him feel loved, important, blah blah blah.... if the whole thing is being placed on your shoulders for not giving him enough......then he's not meeting you halfway to work it out.

He must take responsibility for his own behavior, no matter what you did or didn't do. If he won't do that, he's not really an adult.

He must take responsibility for not supporting you enough, for not realizing that you needed more help, and to have your contributions acknowledged and appreciated, that you needed to feel like he was a partner, and not just another person living under your roof whose needs you were obligated to meet. Affectionate feelings and the actions that result from them do not arise in a vacuum.

I would ask him to move out for a few months, have no sexual contact with him, and agree to discuss matters in counseling. Until he was ready to take responsibility for everything he did, that would be the arrangement.
post #13 of 33
Well, I have been on both sides of this situation- the cheater, the other woman, and the one being cheated on.

I had an affair, while I was married, to a married man. My XDH had an affair toward then end of our marriage. It is a hard thing all around.
I will never make excuses for what I, the man I was with, and my XDH did. It was wrong, and there was no reason for it, other than selfishness on all of our parts.

XDH and I ended our marriage on good terms. We talked through everything, and came to terms with our parts in the mistakes in our marriage. I do wish we had been able to stay together, but we decided that we were meant more for friendship than for marriage.

Anyway- I have three resources for you-
The Love Dare
The Five Love Languages
Retrouvaille
post #14 of 33
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Originally Posted by laundrycrisis View Post
OP, if he is blaming it all on you....making it all your responsibility....because you didn't do x, y, z, for him to make him feel loved, important, blah blah blah.... if the whole thing is being placed on your shoulders for not giving him enough......then he's not meeting you halfway to work it out.

He must take responsibility for his own behavior, no matter what you did or didn't do. If he won't do that, he's not really an adult.

He must take responsibility for not supporting you enough, for not realizing that you needed more help, and to have your contributions acknowledged and appreciated, that you needed to feel like he was a partner, and not just another person living under your roof whose needs you were obligated to meet. Affectionate feelings and the actions that result from them do not arise in a vacuum.

I would ask him to move out for a few months, have no sexual contact with him, and agree to discuss matters in counseling. Until he was ready to take responsibility for everything he did, that would be the arrangement.
i agree with her.


i also just want to put out there (from a Christian standpoint) and you can completely disregard this but you're husband is suppose to come before you're children technically.
that does not mean what he did was excusable. it is not period he betrayed you, you're family, and the life you have built. A man should never fail his family...ever. (((hugs)))

IMO if he's putting it all on you're shoulders it may not be worth it to work it out...
post #15 of 33
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Originally Posted by Oh the Irony View Post
I'm so sorry sweetie.

Been there. Everything you describe is textbook.

I would suggest taking some time--you don't need to make a decision right now. The first ten days were REALLY hard for me--the numbness you mention. Here are some suggestions:

1) Both of you get STD tests
2) Marriage counseling
3) Transparency from him

If you do decide you have an interest in reconciling know that he needs to be transparent and be truly remorseful. It is good that he finally came to you and admitted the truth. Reconciliation can happen but it is VERY hard work.

Check out www.survivinginfidelity.com

Also, Not Just Friends by Shirley Glass is a fantastic book.

Actions really speak louder than his words right now.

Make sure you eat and drink something every day. You'll get through this either way you end up going. Gotta go for now.
All this.

www.survivinginfidelity.com was a huge life-saver for me. Hang in there and take it one day at a time.
post #16 of 33
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Originally Posted by BabyBearsMummy View Post
I have a "friend" who is "the other woman" when she started sleeping with her DS#2's father she knew he was married with many children. She justifies her affair with a married man as "she was not talking care of his needs why shouldn't I". Also apparently she (the mistress) taught the wandering husband to be a more active part of his family. The affair has been ongoing for more than 2.5 years. He has very little to do with the child and really only visits for sexual gratification disguised as visits to his son. The wife and an oldest daughter suspect the father has had an affair but have not had their suspicions confirmed. I for all the children hurt in this situation and all those like it out there. I feel that mistresses make themselves blind to the harm they are causing families and justify their actions as helping. All seem to me to be symptoms of “our” society’s gimme gimme gimme me culture.
I was "the other woman" once (and in some ways, still am). When we first met I didn't know he was married. Things happened that night and halfway through he stopped and said he couldn't do it because he was married. We agreed to be just friends and it quickly turned right back into a sexual thing. We had this insane chemistry, it was ridiculous. We saw each other repeatedly for months until he got a job offer and moved out of town. By then we had developed a very close friendship and when I got into a serious relationship he even came up to meet my DP (he didn't admit it until after, but he wanted to "approve" of DP). A year later we saw each other again (this is after DP was out of the picture) and we slept together. I'm pretty sure that's when he fell in love with me. Which scared the CRAP out of me, to the point that I didn't sleep with him when I saw him again a few weeks later (what did happen ended up being worse, I think). That was a year ago and we haven't seen each other since. We still talk, and honestly, I can't say that I won't ever sleep with him again. I won't lie...it very possibly might happen, as horrible as that sounds.

But I will NOT make excuses for it. I shouldn't have done it. He is now one of my best friends and we should leave it at that. The one thing I will say, as much as it probably comes off as a malicious sounding excuse, is that, while she doesn't deserve it, she is pretty blind to the situation. It's not an excuse, really. But at the same time, EVERYONE that we mutually know is aware that he's just not made to be sexually monogamous. Period. I really don't know how she thinks or ever thought that he could be sexually monogamous. It's just how he is. On the other hand, HE should know this and he should either get his act together (which I don't see happening) or let her know that he just can't do it. He's really just the type of person that needs to be in an open relationship, or not at all. But he's afraid of what she'll do to herself if he ends the relationship, so he stays with her (he does love her, of course, but obviously he doesn't love her enough).

Sometimes I think about it and I feel like a real UAV for doing that. I could use the excuse that she obviously doesn't satisfy him but I WON'T because it's all on him (as far as THEIR relationship is concerned, I mean). But I think I'm pretty detached from it, and the fact that they have no kids and that their marriage has had issues for a long time, etc., kind of help me with the detachment I suppose.

And it really breaks my heart. I know what it's like to be cheated on (although I was "aware" enough that when I found out I was not surprised at all). It hurts. But at the same time, I keep doing it. And the worst part is I have loved him for a long time as a friend, but I think I fell in love with him when he fell in love with me. And it sucks. Because it makes me feel like an even bigger a-hole for it.

Just trying to say...the "other woman" isn't ALWAYS a malicious blame-passing UAV. There are so many complex issues behind being the other woman. That's why, as much as I wanted to physically hurt the woman that my ex cheated on me with (she knew I was pregnant, she knew he and I were still technically together, they had no romantic or friend anything it was just sex), I won't even say anything to her. I just can't. It's all on HIM. I don't know where she was coming from, and hell, maybe she DIDN'T know I was pregnant, or maybe since he and I knew it was almost over she figured it wouldn't matter. I don't know...frankly, it's none of my business. My issues are with my ex, and I have to remember that. I'm pretty sure that if she had turned him down based on the fact that he was with me, he would have just gone and found someone else to sleep with. I can't be "the other woman" and yet get mad at someone else who is "the other woman" to me. I just have to ignore it and take issue with the jerk who did it to me.
post #17 of 33
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Originally Posted by MissLotus View Post
And if he wants it to work out with you, what is HE doing to change the dynamic? This guy should be crawling all over himself doing anything and everything to be contrite, to make you happy, to convince you to stay. You said he didn't help much before, doesn't care that you were exhausted. Well, if he's really interested in re-building a relationship, he can't keep expecting you to be in several places at once - working full-time and being fully responsible for the kids.
I'm not excusing the OP's dh, but she did say that for a month or so before he confessed, he'd been doing more around the house. He may have been dumped. He may have been on the verge of actually leaving, and realized that there was more to his marriage than his need to be the highest priority. There's just no way to know.

I really don't like the way he's putting it on the OP, though. They definitely got disconnected, but his approach is just...not cool. Whatever factors contributed, he's the one who chose to cheat.

OP. I have no advice. Only you can decide if this marriage is worth trying to save.

Oh - I do have advice. I agree with the other posters about getting tested for STDs. Having sex behind your back and not even using a freaking condom was low.
post #18 of 33
I second the resources PatienceandLove suggested:

The Love Dare
The Five Love Languages
Retrouvaille
post #19 of 33
Honesty is the most important thing. IMO humans are not all monogamous, in fact very few are. It is natural to want to be with many different people on many different levels in a lifetime. If everyone would stop thinking of a partner as 'theirs; and having ownership and allow true freedom, and have freedom themselves, I think we would all be happier.

Your partner should have been honest. At least he is now. Condoms are very important, unless you have a closed circle situation. I am not sure I have useful advice for this particular situation, but did want to spread the word about being free to love whoever you want, however you want. Chances are the woman he was spending time with is someone you could be a very good friend with. Jealousy is lack of self esteem, IMO.

But I have been the most jealous person in my life also, forbidding my man to even look at another. I have also been the 'other woman' on many occasions. I have also had someone be dishonest with me, even though he had my blessing to date others... living in tribe is the natural state of primates and humans... the bonobo ape is the closest to how humans were before the agricultural and industrial revolution. A matriarchal society with uninhibited relations, and peaceful, not like the chimps....
post #20 of 33
Coming in with a completely different perspective....

THIS IS NOT YOUR FAULT. Read that a few mroe times. NOT YOURS.

You're working two jobs, taking care of the kids, and he finds time to go sleep around because "Oh waah, she doesn't put ME (a grown adult man) above our children!"? No. Oh that does not fly with me. I wouldn't cater to such a manchild, what on earth would that teach my child about the role of women?

You know what a father does in that stuation? What a husband does? He pulls his crap together, takes some of the burden off his partner, and certainly doesn't go have an affair. He doesn't jeopardize his children's chance of a stable home, his wife's heart (and physical health, for that matter... hello, STDs!), and his own sense of honor by sleeping around. No no no no.

And christianity... no. My Jesus does not tell me to put my children behind a grown friggin' man. Sure spouses need time together. But it sounds to me like you did all the grunt work while he went and had fun. x about a bazillion for you, mama.

Cheating is a choice. It's never forced on you by circumstances.

Get tested. Get into counseling. Individual and marital. FOr both of you.

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