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Dd runs away from me all the time! I'm scared!

post #1 of 8
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My four year old dd recently started running away from me whenever I take her anywhere. I'm at the point that I'm afraid to leave the house with her. Yesterday I took her and ds to the zoo. We were having a lovely time, and getting along well until it was time to go. I like to give her warning so I told her that after we go through the aviary, we need to head to the exit. We stepped into the aviary and she sprinted away from me. I at first could see her and so didn't really react hoping that the lack of attention was not what she was looking for. Then she passed the point where I could see her so I had to follow. I caught up to her, gave her a little talk and started to move again with the two of them next to me. She ran out the aviary door before I could do anything. Immediately outside, there are three different directions to go and I couldn't tell where she'd gone while I was passing through the solid metal doors after her. She disappeared for about ten minutes. I was terrified but she didn't seem to mind. I had no idea what to do! When she reappeared, I tried to grab her hand or her arm because she was still trying to run away but she just collapsed until I let go and then bolted. I can't pick her up since I have to carry my son. She doesn't even mind if I turn around and just walk off. I tried sitting down with her and trying to reason. I tried hugging her and asking her very sincerely to come with me. I told her we wouldn't come back to the zoo for a very long time if she couldn't listen, she didn't care. I ended up trying to carry her which didn't turn out well and then trying to just pretend I didn't care anymore and walk off. The combination of these two got us to the exit at which point, she followed. I feel awful that I even felt I needed to pick her up! I don't want to have to 'force' her to do anything but I saw no other choice. I felt like every parent was staring at me and judging (and I was probably quite a sight trying to carry a crying two year old who was worried about his sister, and a kicking, screaming four year old across the zoo premises!) This was a particularly terrible example but it has become typical over the past month. I have on idea what to do when she absolutely will not listen, outright ignores me and I have my curious two year old to keep by me on top of it. I have tried going into stores with the expectation that she stays in the cart (I have her sit in the basket) but she'll climb out and run away. She tries to hide behind the car or run in circles around it while I'm unlocking it, trying to keep away from me. On and on, she's always trying to run off! She'll give me a hug and say something like 'I promise I won't run away, mama.' before we go in only to take off as soon as I ask anything of her. I would assume she's needing more attention but when she's with me, I give her and her brother undivided attention. I even have things I do with only her every weekend that are special. She's with me when I'm off work and with her father when he's off work as we're trying our best to do lots of nice things with her. She has an extremely fiery and emotional personality that I find somewhat unpredictable.
I am at the end of my ideas and feeling completely helpless.
Do any of you mamas have some ideas or experiences that you could offer me?
post #2 of 8
Before you go out again, I would have a talk with her and let her know that her only option is to stay with you. If she runs off, she will have to hold your hand for X number of minutes (you pick).

Then if she makes the choice to run away, let her know that because she hasn't stayed with you that you need to hold her hand so you know she's safe.
post #3 of 8
I would get one of those child harnesses, and make her wear one in public places, with the other end secured to your wrist. It's not a "punishment" but rather something you need to do to keep her safe until she's big enough to stay with you safely. She doesn't have the impulse control to stay put; she's not being "bad." This is where she is developmentally right now. It's less frustrating for all of you if you don't expect more from her than she's capable of.

That, or don't take her anywhere until she's outgrown this phase (which probably isn't practical.)
post #4 of 8
Hugs Mama

You are in a tough place right now with the two of them - but if you are going to be brave enough to venture out you need some proactive strategies - the harness is one option - so is a dbl stroller...

If she is capable of really understanding your words I would talk and tell her there are times for playing chase and times for staying safe - tell her you need her to be safe so she doesn't get hurt or lost

Then I would take her to the park and do two things:

Play chase - kids LOVE this game and love the separate - then connect that's involved - this might be counter intuitive (seems like she might run away MORE if you play this game) but I think Cohen from playful parenting addresses this and if she gets this need met in play there is less need at the times when she CAN"T do it for safety/other reasons...

on top of this you might also do some role play - again and again - have her run away from you in a safe place and you yell "stop - stay safe" so that she has practice doing this when you are out...make it fun (maybe she runs back and gets hugs and kisses)

And remember when you yell this at her 'for real' that she may take several more seconds than you might expect to hear/process/react SOOO... even if it takes her some time to stop, if she does stop before you reach her then tell her "thank you stopping" - My dh always expected dd to stop on a dime and would yell at her if she didn't - well in her mind she HAD stopped.... and his yelling at her was NOT reinforcing the behavior we wanted-

she wasn't a huge runner, but these things really helped during the short time she was prone to doing it
post #5 of 8
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Phathui5, this was my first instinct when she started this running away phase. She is so stubborn that she'll collapse to the floor if I try to keep hold of her hand. I've stood there before for twenty minutes, not exaggerating at all, and she will sit there as long as I'm holding her hand!
Honestly, I think the harness may be my best option. I'm not sure how I feel about it and so haven't given it much thought. I think I will get one though so that I know she's safe in parking lots, crowds, stuff like that.
and bonamarq, thanks for the suggestions. I hadn't thought about playing a game of chase. That's a wonderful idea!
Thanks ladies.
post #6 of 8
My thought was a harness too. I've used them with all three of mine. They're great for a kid who wants the freedom to walk and explore.
post #7 of 8
Well, let me commisserate. I have a sprinter, too, and she is completely defiant. I second the harness idea. We are penniless, and so have used a dog leash on occaision at Nana's. We just missed two weeks worth of free, awesome concerts here because she runs. every. time. I am, however, 3 clothing sizes smaller than I was after dd1! My dd is big, and the stroller hurts my back. I will be fashioning a harness from something at my house, soon. . . . I am a single mama now and grocery shopping is a head-ducking nightmare. My girl has food allergies, so I do give her calming/histamine lowering supplements if she HAS to be with me somewhere. What works for her is 5-htp and GABA, ymmv. She does stay with a lot better when we don't get contaminated, and stay away from all food additives (which is hard when you're eating out of the food bank). I will try that Playful Parenting chase, but honestly, if she is going to be safe she must be restrained.
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Originally Posted by provocativa View Post
Well, let me commisserate. I have a sprinter, too, and she is completely defiant. I second the harness idea. We are penniless, and so have used a dog leash on occaision at Nana's. We just missed two weeks worth of free, awesome concerts here because she runs. every. time. I am, however, 3 clothing sizes smaller than I was after dd1! My dd is big, and the stroller hurts my back. I will be fashioning a harness from something at my house, soon. . . . I am a single mama now and grocery shopping is a head-ducking nightmare. My girl has food allergies, so I do give her calming/histamine lowering supplements if she HAS to be with me somewhere. What works for her is 5-htp and GABA, ymmv. She does stay with a lot better when we don't get contaminated, and stay away from all food additives (which is hard when you're eating out of the food bank). I will try that Playful Parenting chase, but honestly, if she is going to be safe she must be restrained.
I really appreciate your situation. I'm divorced so when I have her I am also a single mom. My dd has food allergies too and if she gets contaminated, the behavior escalates exponentially. Out of curiosity, when you use the harness does it seem to curb the behavior at all? I mean, will she choose to stay rather than use the harness or is it more of a band-aid approach? I am also penniless but I love to sew; I'm sure I can come up with something functional. Hadn't thought about the vitamins either. It does seem amazing how much food affects her behavior.
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