HELP 9mthold with MRSA, MANUKA HONEY does it work. - Page 2

[frugalmum]

Originally Posted by preciousstone

did you have a progression like we are seeing. the cellulitis has stopped draining and is now harder but shrinking. so there is a sore where the white head was originally but then a harder area around it. did you put the honey on the whole area where it is hard?

Shrinking and getting harder/ smaller is a good sign, but if a hard area persists he may need an ultrasound on the infection. The sore replacing the whitehead is also a good sign in my experience, unless it turns a mix of black and whitish tissue (a sign of necrosis), spreads, or is mishapen. How is he now?

[mbravebird]

Originally Posted by preciousstone

did you have a progression like we are seeing. the cellulitis has stopped draining and is now harder but shrinking. so there is a sore where the white head was originally but then a harder area around it. did you put the honey on the whole area where it is hard?

I think pp answered this better. We did not have boils; we had impetigo sores. But yes, after the sore was healed, there would be a hard spot there for a while, and then that would finally clear too. We would put a lot of honey on the bandage, and just cover the whole area, because the redness extended far beyond the sore. We would use non-stick pads, which we would cut to the right size, and then use several layers of tape to seal the edges. We'd put the blob of honey in the middle of the bandage after we had added the tape to the edges, and then attach the whole thing to him. We were generous with the honey.

ETA: we would stop the honey after all the redness was gone. It might have been beneficial to continue, though.

[preciousstone]

Originally Posted by frugalmum

Shrinking and getting harder/ smaller is a good sign, but if a hard area persists he may need an ultrasound on the infection. The sore replacing the whitehead is also a good sign in my experience, unless it turns a mix of black and whitish tissue (a sign of necrosis), spreads, or is mishapen. How is he now?

he's doing much better... than me anyway. I was beginning to get consumed by fear of it returning. I just feel like I need some tools to feel a little control over it. Anyway, he's still on the antibiotics and we saw the surgeon yesterday. She made a tiny nick incision and expressed some of it- it was only a wee bit. She thought it was healing pretty well and said we should be out of the woods in less than 10 days. The hardness is getting smaller and smaller. We have used the manuka and i think it did wonders. Plus I put tea tree oil in his bath water and I wash him with anti-bacterial soap. I came across a baby line of products with manuka honey in it. I got it and started using it. They seem to be something I will use going forward as a part of our prevention regime. But it's a butt cream, lotion and soap by koru naturals, a new zealand company. You can get it on Amazon.com but if you buy direct from the website you get a bit of a discount. I also started him on probiotics. So we will see how things go. Thanks for asking!

[frugalmum]

I was also terrified of it recurring. Zinc oxide (desitin) paste has been fantastic. It is $10-15 a jar. It is a natural antimicrobial. DD has not had a recurrence since I have been using it religiously. Keep your own hands very very clean too.

[jessicav]

Originally Posted by mbravebird 

Originally Posted by preciousstone

I did feel the mrsa30day website sounded like a gimmick. I think I would try it once we are done with the antibiotics.

This was my approach, too. I found out about it, but was unwilling to order until we had tried everything else for a good long while. For us, antibiotics didn't touch it. He had three outbreaks while on the antibiotics. And we did the natural stuff with the antibiotics and after the antibiotics, in full consultation with our pediatrician. The manuka honey was better than everything else that we tried, including oral antibiotics and prescription antibiotic cream (bactroban). But when I got desperate after two months of new lesions, I ordered the water and they finally cleared without returning. We are still in assessment phase about it, though.

Any more feedback about pHenomenal water? I found the site tonight and am tempted but it did feel like a scam.

My daughter was diagnosed with MRSA and we did a round of Bactrim, to which she was allergic. It seemed to clear up though and we were happy that was the end of it.

In the last week she has developed red spots all over her bottom. A few of them look like pimples. I've had some success with apple cider vinegar and colloidal silver washes followed by tea tree oil and coconut oil mixed and then applied to the area but it's not clearing up entirely.

Tonight I checked a scrape on her knee and found a few pimple-like bumps. We're going to the doctor tomorrow to get diagnosed but I don't want to go the antibiotics route because it seems like a revolving door: endless rounds with no real impact. And since she's allergic to the most common antibiotic for MRSA we would have to try the next one up, which is apparently incredibly bitter and hard on the system. I would really love to find a way to get rid of it, not just suppress it. It feels a bit like "Whack-a-Mole." Every time one area seems better, a new area pops up.

[preciousstone]

I didn't try the phenomenol water but someone had recommended constant zinc in the diaper. I used triple paste at almost every diaper change with great success so far. Sometimes I give it a break to let his bottom air out a little.   We used  the antibiotic clyndomicin because our baby was allergic to bactrim too.  I too noticed that after the antibiotics he got several sets of red pimply bumps on his bottom.  But they never materialized to anything once I was using the triple paste.  Also, the manuka honey has been great, altho I couldn't use too much because it would give him a rash. I got the 16+ wederspoon one from amazon - maybe too strong for baby. So I found honey babe products by korunaturals new zealand which has manuka honey in it and has been mild enough for baby.  I got the bar soap, moisturizer and barrier creme (I use the barrier cream when I'm not using triple paste).  

http://korunaturalsnewzealand.com/search.htm?keyword=baby

And I use tea tree oil in the bath every day.  I am now rotating between the koru naturals soap and california baby tea tree and lavendar wash.  I know it sounds like alot but so long as we stay infection free I'm happy.  Altogether, we have gone now 1month without any issues altho he's had several random scratches and bruises; none got infected.  Everytime I saw any suspect i put a little dollup of manuka honey on it.  I also put a drop on tea tree oil in all our hand soaps and hand sanitizer to - another poster recommended it. 

Hope that helps.

[jessicav]

We took her to the doc today and she said it looks like folliculitis but not MRSA. She prescribed Bactroban cream. I guess I am confused by the whole mess. I thought that once MRSA was present, it could be considered responsible for any kind of skin condition such as this. We decided to do the antibiotic cream but no more cycles of antibiotics and if another rash etc. occurs, we will investigate Allimed or the pHenomen water. In the meantime I now have tea tree oil soap and my manuka honey arrived today to take care of anything that might crop up. I also got her a probiotic. 

[preciousstone]

I thought the same thing too

hmmm. That's interesting. I didn't know that either. Was it oozing? If so, I think the docs can only tell its not mrsa unless a culture is taken of the fluid/pus that is coming out.  I thought folliculitis was like from ingrown hairs?? 

[jessicav]

no pus so they couldn't do a culture. It didn't look like MRSA at all but then what does it really look like, right? I've seen the boil before and this was not it but I couldn't figure out why it wasn't going away...on another note, whenever i saw a pimple like bump come up i put colloidal silver on it and it was gone (leaving a red mark) the next day. So far I've put the bactroban on a few of them and, 24-hours later, they're still there. So tonight i amended the routine by doing a colloidal silver wash followed by the bactroban. I wonder if i had just kept up with the home remedies if it would've cleared up eventually. I had an idea that the bactroban would take care of it immediately but so far, it looks like it might be slower.

folliculitis is caused by the irritation of the hair follicle. In our case it was damp undies - my daughter didn't quite make it to the potty in time and then didn't tell us because she was having too much fun playing. So we discovered at bath time that she'd been running around with a damp bottom all afternoon. what i don't understand is why the same bumps then showed up on her knee. I asked but it still wasn't quite clear...

[mbravebird]

We haven't had a recurrence since we did the pHenomenal water. He was getting them every time he got a bugbite, and he's gotten several bugbites since then with no sores following. We also used a homeopathic remedy after the water.

It's nothing to be afraid of, certainly -- it won't hurt anything. And it's not that expensive. I think the marketing is just tiring. But I believe it helped us. The only thing I tried to be aware of was giving it away from meals, as it is so alkaline that I feared it might interfere with digestion.

HTH!

And regarding the bactroban -- that is an antibiotic cream that is specifically for staph, so it's strange that she would prescribe it if she didn't think it was staph. Of course, I'm not a doc, so maybe I don't know everything about it.

Originally Posted by jessicav 

Originally Posted by mbravebird 

Originally Posted by preciousstone

I did feel the mrsa30day website sounded like a gimmick. I think I would try it once we are done with the antibiotics.

This was my approach, too. I found out about it, but was unwilling to order until we had tried everything else for a good long while. For us, antibiotics didn't touch it. He had three outbreaks while on the antibiotics. And we did the natural stuff with the antibiotics and after the antibiotics, in full consultation with our pediatrician. The manuka honey was better than everything else that we tried, including oral antibiotics and prescription antibiotic cream (bactroban). But when I got desperate after two months of new lesions, I ordered the water and they finally cleared without returning. We are still in assessment phase about it, though.

Any more feedback about pHenomenal water? I found the site tonight and am tempted but it did feel like a scam.

My daughter was diagnosed with MRSA and we did a round of Bactrim, to which she was allergic. It seemed to clear up though and we were happy that was the end of it.

In the last week she has developed red spots all over her bottom. A few of them look like pimples. I've had some success with apple cider vinegar and colloidal silver washes followed by tea tree oil and coconut oil mixed and then applied to the area but it's not clearing up entirely.

Tonight I checked a scrape on her knee and found a few pimple-like bumps. We're going to the doctor tomorrow to get diagnosed but I don't want to go the antibiotics route because it seems like a revolving door: endless rounds with no real impact. And since she's allergic to the most common antibiotic for MRSA we would have to try the next one up, which is apparently incredibly bitter and hard on the system. I would really love to find a way to get rid of it, not just suppress it. It feels a bit like "Whack-a-Mole." Every time one area seems better, a new area pops up.

[mombh]

To further that example, I have never broken out in staph -- even though I sleep with him, touch the sores with my fingers, etc etc etc. Nor has anyone in our house, including our six year old, who never washes his hands. In my opinion, it is more than a simple bacteria issue.

Here's the link to the water that helped:
http://www.mrsa30day.com/FAQ.shtml

Like I said, it sounds like a pitch (I was very suspicious at first), but it seems to work.
 

Iam really interested in that water and was wondering how long you used it for??

THe site is a bit overwhelming and I'm not sure which one to get , but Iwould like to try it for my 2 yr old ds.

He had staph diaper rash last year which went away great with manuka honey and also we used clay and prid and eo and he drinks kefir and takes cell salts but I really think the manuka did the job.  He recently got what looks like 2 little pimples in the diaper area and it looks like the staph ones, I have been using manuka, one is gone and the other is taking it's sweet time.....

I am starting to think about this internal stuff and it is making sense to  me, I have also never got it and we co-sleep, bathe together etc;

Iam just lazy right now to read through the whole thing and want to hear how you used it and your thoughts,  :) thanks
 

[lookatreestar]

Originally Posted by mombh 

To further that example, I have never broken out in staph -- even though I sleep with him, touch the sores with my fingers, etc etc etc. Nor has anyone in our house, including our six year old, who never washes his hands. In my opinion, it is more than a simple bacteria issue.

Here's the link to the water that helped:
http://www.mrsa30day.com/FAQ.shtml

Like I said, it sounds like a pitch (I was very suspicious at first), but it seems to work.
 

Iam really interested in that water and was wondering how long you used it for??

THe site is a bit overwhelming and I'm not sure which one to get , but Iwould like to try it for my 2 yr old ds.

He had staph diaper rash last year which went away great with manuka honey and also we used clay and prid and eo and he drinks kefir and takes cell salts but I really think the manuka did the job.  He recently got what looks like 2 little pimples in the diaper area and it looks like the staph ones, I have been using manuka, one is gone and the other is taking it's sweet time.....

I am starting to think about this internal stuff and it is making sense to  me, I have also never got it and we co-sleep, bathe together etc;

Iam just lazy right now to read through the whole thing and want to hear how you used it and your thoughts,  :) thanks
 

my ds had staph and i think it too started with his immune system. it was cured by 2 different types of herbal remedies, made by and herbalis/tcm doc. it was a miracle no doubt to cure it without any kind of antibiotics. i notice when he is not feeling well or starts to get way over tired he gets the bumps on his face similar to how the staph started. i believe he might be a carrier but when his immune system is over loaded (sick, teething, stress) he is more prone to the infection. (his was on his cheek, and came out of nowhere, and no one else got it)
 

[clan5]

To all those who have used the Mankua honey on mrsa I need to know who you bought from. I am finding it very hard to tell what site is real and what has something of a fake item. My 3 1/2 yr old last year had mrsa reoccure about 5-6 times and Now we are on the 1st breakout of mrsa in a month and change. I am supposed to take him to Peds Dr. today to see if he needs meds but I am really worried and really tired. Supposedly my child has eczema and recently had a rash that stemmed from it. I am using Dove soap for him. Showers only no baths as the Dr specified this would help keep the spreading down and I am giving him not one but 2 steriod type meds (1 for the rash & 1 for the rest of him) to heal his skin. So I really don't want hime on 20 different medical oral and topicals.

Can anyone help give me the info to the mankua sites they have used so I can feel better about where I am going to be buying the honey from..? Thank you!

[Bokonon]

Originally Posted by clan5 

To all those who have used the Mankua honey on mrsa I need to know who you bought from. I am finding it very hard to tell what site is real and what has something of a fake item. My 3 1/2 yr old last year had mrsa reoccure about 5-6 times and Now we are on the 1st breakout of mrsa in a month and change. I am supposed to take him to Peds Dr. today to see if he needs meds but I am really worried and really tired. Supposedly my child has eczema and recently had a rash that stemmed from it. I am using Dove soap for him. Showers only no baths as the Dr specified this would help keep the spreading down and I am giving him not one but 2 steriod type meds (1 for the rash & 1 for the rest of him) to heal his skin. So I really don't want hime on 20 different medical oral and topicals.

Can anyone help give me the info to the mankua sites they have used so I can feel better about where I am going to be buying the honey from..? Thank you!

I just ordered mine from Amazon.com, but I've also seen it at my local health food store (maybe Whole Foods carries it as well?).  I would also recommend trying tea tree oil and eating raw garlic (minced with regular honey on toast is yummy!).

Good luck!

[jessicav]

I posted a while back about my daughter and her round with MRSA, which was completely cleared by antibiotics, even though she was allergic to them and had to stop the course half way through.

Now, two years later i have it. I had one boil that is now healing but several satellite sores that are still red, but appear to be healing. i feel like i'm on the mend except for soreness throughout my body, which really concerns me because i don't know if it is indicative of a serious infection despite the sores healing.

I would go on the abx except that i am nursing and i need to take dicloxacillin, which isn't safe for nursing. My daughter is 13 months old and nowhere near being ready to wean. It would break my heart to have to cut her off suddenly, without even beginning the weaning process.

I am wondering if anyone knows of alternative abx that would sub and is safe. I asked the doctor but don't really believe he gave an alternative much thought since he scolded me for still nursing at 13 months. 

I ordered the pHenomenal water and will update when i receive it. if anyone is interested, i have seen healing by using the following methods:

drinking tumeric with coconut oil (tumeric is a blood purifier and coconut oil helps to "deliver" the benefits to the body - a carrier oil); i started this after the first boil had gotten big and opened. the satellite sores appear to have dissipated before ever reaching the severity of the first one. (recommended dosage: 1 tsp. 3 times a day in hot water)

paste of baking soda and chopped, fresh raw garlic on sores, covered by saran wrap and then hot compresses on that for about 30 minutes a day. the result of this, combined with the tumeric ( i think) is that my satellite sores have skipped the yucky middle stage and are now starting to scab and heal.

manuka honey on open wound. a note about this and i could be wrong, but i think manuka is beneficial only when it can get inside the wound. I put manuka on the whole lot and by that evening, the boil that was open and draining was healing but the sores that were in the beginning stages just looked more inflamed and were painful. that's when i stopped manuka on everything that was closed, started the poultices and compresses and saw improvement. I will start manuka on these in a few days.

I have also been taking probiotics and have found my craving for sugar and white flours is gone, which is a blessing since these things just make MRSA worse...

[nathanzmom]

Seems that you are trying the right things, such as garlic-baking soda compress and turmeric.  I've had MRSA infections for several years now and have read volumes of books, tried every remedy including most abx.  I can't say I'm totally cured but it's definitely under control now.  The most effective treatments seem to be these:

1. drink high pH water, ph=10.5 (hydrate with 1 liter, 2-3 times daily, at least 90 minutes after eating and at least 30 minutes before eating so that your digestive system can "re acidify".  (btw, phenomenal water is phenomenally expensive for what it is... just get some "cal" from a mexican market, also known as calcium-hydroxide or hydrated lime, food grade of course) mix 1/8" tsp of "cal" into 1 gallon of filtered or distilled water- must be very pure water.  it will be cloudy but is more effective than phenomenal and cost about a penny for a gallon

2. avoid sugar.  reduce fruit and fruit juice intake.  avoid processed foods. 

3. eat lots of fresh, raw greens and other vegetables.  drink green juice (i.e. kale, celery, garlic...)

4. use raw garlic externally and eat as much as you can stand

5. do not consume manuka honey, it's ok for external application but not very effective for boils

6. consume pro-biotics, 3x daily.  wide spectrum, fresh, food based

7. relaxation, rest, positive attitude. 

BTW, if you are taking anti-biotics, stop as soon as possible.  They will not help in the long term and will actually create more recurrence.  The latest theories suggest that the immune system relies on healthy bacteria in the "gut" so there's no point in attacking your own immune system with antibiotics.