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My middle children fight all the time. It has been horrible and humiliating and tiresome. The older one has autism spectrum disorder, but of the sort where he gets stressed and then meltsdown when stressed or frustrated so things get worse. Both of them, 6 and just turned 9, love to play computer all the time. I limit it until after 6pm, but then it seems as if it goes on until 10pm when I say no way, no more. It had been 6-8 but then things started sliding and pushed until 10. But the 9 yr old meltsdown when he has had too much computer exposure. Both of them get very upset with me when I say no computer. The older one refuses to do anything but throw a huge tantrum if 6pm comes and he has no computer. He refuses to have anything to do with us, dinner, movie, company, anything, if 6pm comes. He will only do computer then.

So both are currently grounded from the computers through the weekend, as in 1 week. This was the 2nd day of the grounding. Once they accepted no computer, they actually started to play together and get along and be kind to each other. This is a change fro the usual. But I do notice they are less intense and less stressed, both of them, when not on the computer. Also, I never even wanted game systems in the house and I only wanted educational games for the PCs. But admittedly, there are not many educational games out there. And my older games were mostly not compatible with a 64 bit system when switched over to Windows Vista 64 and Windows 7. Regardless, once the PC is turned on, that is what we get.

I know they are expecting that at the end of the week, they will simply get their game systems and computers back. I want to put all up, except I would not mind compromising and leaving the Wii. They both seem not too interested in the Wii and with just one system, they will bore quicker of it. Unlike with multiple things around the house where they can just go from system to system. I need to insert here, my childless brother, the "fun uncle," keeps giving my children game systems. At this point, I told him no way, won't happen again. I already warned my brother that if he gives them one for Christmas, which he says he plans to do, the XBOX 360 something, some new system, that he will simply destroy their Christmas because they will see it, but will not even be allowed to bring it home. End of story. He has a habit of claiming to know all about what it is like to be a kid and how much he would have wanted this stuff and how I should just let my children have whatever. But beyond that.....

I am asking, do you think it would be cruel to put up everything, or everything except the Wii, and when the grounding is over just tell them that all they get back is the Wii and we are not getting in to the Playstation 2, or the XBOX (regular, old system), or the PC anymore? I feel bad about taking away something they already had access to. But I also feel that they have really really not handled having computers well and I think it is unhealthy and the fighting and tantrums need to come to an end. How would you handle this? I know, someone will point out that I am to blame for allowing the systems to remain in our home. But I want to fix that. I was actually never comfortable with it anyway, but with being pregnant and then having horrid complications from the birth and so on, I never felt up to the fight. But now I am fighting back to the provider of these systems and want to deal with things in the home too.

Thanks for your help!
post #2 of 11
I wouldn't accept any new gaming systems. You really only need one any way. And you have every right to tell your brother to not give any more gaming system. If he thinks they are so awesome he can buy them for himself.

I'm not sure I would completely remove the computer though. The reason being that people are expected to be adept at computer use and eventually it will need to be reinstated. My suggestion would be to have a far more strict schedule than you had before. As in, each person is assigned a specific period of time each day or a period of time on certain days of the week when they get to use the computer. No ifs, ands or buts about it, if it's not your time to use the computer don't even bother asking.
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Originally Posted by Lisa1970 View Post
I am asking, do you think it would be cruel to put up everything, or everything except the Wii, and when the grounding is over just tell them that all they get back is the Wii and we are not getting in to the Playstation 2, or the XBOX (regular, old system), or the PC anymore? I feel bad about taking away something they already had access to. But I also feel that they have really really not handled having computers well and I think it is unhealthy and the fighting and tantrums need to come to an end.
Taking away the games can be done cruelly, or it can be done responsibly. Your plan is safely in the "responsible parenting" zone, imo

You might consider adding something, like family game night (board games card games), when you take away the games systems.

I agree with MD that computers are important, but I think (scratch that--I know) that even an entire year from the computer at these ages is not going to negatively affect their longterm computer literacy. I'd allow them to use the computer "as needed" to research things, but cut out the game time entirely for now.

Mothers carry enough guilt. Feel good about being perceptive enough to see past your childrens' wants to their needs, and strong enough to provide them the boundaries they need.
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I am asking, do you think it would be cruel to put up everything, or everything except the Wii, and when the grounding is over just tell them that all they get back is the Wii and we are not getting in to the Playstation 2, or the XBOX (regular, old system), or the PC anymore?
No, not cruel at all. It sounds really healthy.
I feel bad about taking away something they already had access to. Don't feel bad. It was useful entertainment when you needed it for them. But you're the mom and you can clearly see that it isn't useful anymore. Rejoice and pack up the game consoles. But I also feel that they have really really not handled having computers well and I think it is unhealthy and the fighting and tantrums need to come to an end. Absolutely. This is parenting. How would you handle this?
I had a similar experience. My kids were watching hours of TV every afternoon after school. Aside from being very sedentary it made them grumpy and homework wasn't getting done. I really hated it, but I was dealing with depression and didn't have the mental strength to fight with them about it. Grounding never worked.

We had great success (I was feeling stronger), though when I simply made it a 'house rule', no TV at all on weeknights. Not just until homework was done, but none at all from Sunday night to Thursday night. Friday after they get home from school they can watch TV.

This took it off me, as it wasn't me taking it away from them, it was simply a rule. It was a wonderful success.

Now the problem is that other things have slipped in to take our focus. I still surf the web waayyy too much. Ds plays with his DSi for hours if I let him. Dd takes the laptop into her room to do homework, which ends up being a HUGE distraction. But I digress.

Anyway I think you should handle this very matter-of-factly. They might bitch and moan at you for a while, but if some Sunday afternoon you say, by the way guys, there's a new house rule: the video game consoles are put away until Winter Break (for example), it may go over smoother than you anticipate.

And your childless brother doesn't have a clue.
post #5 of 11
our life got soooo much better when we got rid of the TV. If you read The Plug in Drug about how it effects our brains (and computers are similar), it will strengthen your resolve. Endangered Minds is another good one. My kids use the comp every now and then for homeschool research. If anything, I believe the opposite of what Musician Dad said. Most of their peers will have grown up with brains effected by too much screen time. Those who are not vidiots will have a better chance when their brains are mature- with computer science or whatever path they choose.
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our life got soooo much better when we got rid of the TV. If you read The Plug in Drug about how it effects our brains (and computers are similar), it will strengthen your resolve. Endangered Minds is another good one. My kids use the comp every now and then for homeschool research. If anything, I believe the opposite of what Musician Dad said. Most of their peers will have grown up with brains effected by too much screen time. Those who are not vidiots will have a better chance when their brains are mature- with computer science or whatever path they choose.
I agree with this.

Another good book is "The Shallows: What the Internet is Doing To Our Brains". Bottom line -- a lot of kids these days are growing up completely lacking the ability to engage in the particular type of brain activity that occurs when we read a book and deeply reflect on it. Instead they are only capable of the relatively shallow reasoning that is involved with surfing the internet, never delving deeply into a single topic. This is tragic. Kids will get more than enough exposure to computers at school and through computer use that is directly required for homework as they get older. We recently turned off the TV and computer in our house and it has been SUCH a relief.
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I agree with this.

Another good book is "The Shallows: What the Internet is Doing To Our Brains". Bottom line -- a lot of kids these days are growing up completely lacking the ability to engage in the particular type of brain activity that occurs when we read a book and deeply reflect on it. Instead they are only capable of the relatively shallow reasoning that is involved with surfing the internet, never delving deeply into a single topic. This is tragic. Kids will get more than enough exposure to computers at school and through computer use that is directly required for homework as they get older. We recently turned off the TV and computer in our house and it has been SUCH a relief.
Slightly OT, but my husband recently read this and can't stop talking about it. I should really pick it up.

Back on topic-- I think that, as the adult, you can limit or eliminate as you see fit. My children get a half hour of screen time a day and we only do the Wii on the Wii-kend (get it? ) When we move I am considering ditching the television altogether.
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I guess I'm the odd man out here because I think it's kind of wrong to tell them it's getting taken away for a week then instead of returning it saying no sorry, you're actually never getting it back. Seems like it might make them distrustful.

I DO think however it's more than fine to place stricter limits on the computer and let them know that if there are any problems with it in the future it will be taken away all together.
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I guess I'm the odd man out here because I think it's kind of wrong to tell them it's getting taken away for a week then instead of returning it saying no sorry, you're actually never getting it back. Seems like it might make them distrustful.

I DO think however it's more than fine to place stricter limits on the computer and let them know that if there are any problems with it in the future it will be taken away all together.
I agree with this. Limits are fine, not having it in the house at all is fine...but to say they are grounded from it for a week and then turn around and take it away completely at the end of the week is wrong, IMO. I think the kids will feel lied to.

In regards to restricting screen time, computer use, etc, I have found that it works better to have a positive requirement-"you need to have an hour of time outside"- rather than a negative limit-" You can't have more than 30 minutes of screen time." I have also found that having lots of stuff for her to do has helped too. Chores, sports, after school activites, etc. are all things that keep my 14 year old from staying on the computer for hours on end.
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Mothers carry enough guilt. Feel good about being perceptive enough to see past your childrens' wants to their needs, and strong enough to provide them the boundaries they need.
What a powerful statement!!

That should be a banner at the top of the GD forum.
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Mothers carry enough guilt. Feel good about being perceptive enough to see past your childrens' wants to their needs, and strong enough to provide them the boundaries they need.
Amen! This will be a great gift that you give your children (even if they don't see it that way at first).
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