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Sigh, giving up on nightweaning...

post #1 of 12
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I think I've come to the conclusion that nightweaning is way more stressful than it's worth. DD's (21 months) dropped naps now and sleeps about 12 hours at night (sometimes a little less or a little more). Once she dropped naps putting her to bed at night has gotten so much easier but she's still nowhere near sleeping through the night. I'd say she normally goes 1-4 hours without waking up (but much closer to 1 than 4 on average).

We tried nightweaning this week (we've tried putting her to bed before without nursing and it's ALWAYS been a disaster, which normally led to her throwing up from crying so much... and this is when DH and myself are right there cuddling her/rocking her/singing to her etc).

The first day she was up about 2 hours before she feel back asleep. She went to the potty 3 times, was constantly asking to nurse and sometimes would just cry "why, why??". She then fell back asleep for 4 hours straight and woke up for the morning. The next night was infinitely worse, though. She was basically up from 5-8. Screaming much more this time. She finally fell back asleep from 8-10 but when she got up at 10 there was clearly something off with her. She was totally lethargic. She ended up having diarrhea that day (and again this morning too). Last night we just nursed her back to sleep every time. We've talked about waiting at least another month before trying again but I haven't seen any improvement in her sleep for almost a year now... I can't imagine a month is going to make a difference!

Part of the reason we really are pushing to have her nightweaned is that we have a move coming up in Jan. DH's family lives about 5 hours away from the town we're moving to and we'll be going back and forth a bit until we have everything settled. DH and I would really like to be able to go there for a few days alone to set everything up while DD stays with the grandparents (she'd be 2 then). However, at this point there is just no way she could stay even one night without me!!! During the day she's fine (she'd prefer to nurse and have me there but is ok if I'm gone). Taking her with would be really difficult because we'll basically be going non-stop the days that we are there (we have to look at cars, set up the apt, look at schools, sign contracts etc.). We're just not sure what to do.
post #2 of 12
Did you try just nightweaning cold turkey?

What we did, that worked really well (no crying!) was take it really slow.. I started by shortening nighttime nursing sessions (to about 10-15 seconds) and rubbing his back/shhh'ing and saying "ok, time to go back to sleep" if he fussed too much and wasn't settling back to sleep I would nurse him again for another 10 seconds or so and unlatch him again and repeat repeat. Just by doing this (which i believe helped him get less milk and his body adjusted to not getting calories at night like he was used to) he started sleeping better. Then after a couple weeks of that, I started just patting and shhh'ing when he woke up, and if he fussed too much I would nurse for 10 seconds or so and then unlatch... he began sleeping 5 hour stretches just in that month. After a month, and him only waking 2 times a night or so (previously was waking every hour) we moved him to his own bed, and had DH handle wakeups. His stretches got longer and longer, and he now sleeps 8-9 hours at a time.
post #3 of 12
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Thanks! That sounds like it might work better. We were trying this: http://drjaygordon.com/attachment/sleeppattern.html, which is basically to nurse first and then put her back to sleep awake without nursing. That was NOT working at all! Maybe I wasn't nursing her long enough first...
post #4 of 12
I got my idea from the Jay Gordon method, but did it a big less "strict" and took a lot more time.

Good luck!
post #5 of 12
I think ladycatherines way might work better for you but if it doesn't I have 2 pieces of advice. 1 - 2 nights (as awful as they were) is not enough time to undo a habit she has had for 21 months. So if and when you do try again - by whatever method - remember that it will take time and it will get easier. Having said all of that my second piece of advice is that I think you are right to stop. We nightweaned last month - right around 21 months - and unlike our failed attempts before that, it really wasn't that awful. I don't think I could endure what you all have the last 2 nights either and I think that (for most children) when they are ready it really shouldn't be that hard.

As for when you move and your plan to try and be away for a few days, I have never tried it myself but many women on here will tell you that you would be amazed at how well they can do when you aren't there - even over night. Otherwise, would it be an option for your MIL or someone to go with you during that time to help during the day?

Good luck either way. I never thought I would say "we nightweaned and it wasn't that bad" so you will get there too!
post #6 of 12
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Yay, I get that 2 days is too easy but I also agree that it's probably just too early. We've decided to wait a bit and actually thanks to our attempt at nightweaning now her sleep is completely off. The last two nights she's been going to bed at 4pm and waking up at 4am!

But yeah, when we try this again we're definitely going the more gradual method.

As to staying with MIL. That's not a bad idea about taking her with. If things don't change before than I think that's probably what we're going to have to end up doing.
post #7 of 12
Also, I just want to add that your DC might be just fine staying the night somewhere even if they are still night nursing. If the nursing is not available, they may not fuss much. Just a thought. My DS 22mos is not night weaned and I did try one night but it was awful. It seems to be getting better but I feel pretty certain that if I was not there at night, he would be fine as long as he was with gramma or auntie or even daddy.
post #8 of 12
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Originally Posted by cody'smomma View Post
Also, I just want to add that your DC might be just fine staying the night somewhere even if they are still night nursing. If the nursing is not available, they may not fuss much. Just a thought. My DS 22mos is not night weaned and I did try one night but it was awful. It seems to be getting better but I feel pretty certain that if I was not there at night, he would be fine as long as he was with gramma or auntie or even daddy.
See we've tried once. Not a whole night but we were staying at the in-laws a couple of months ago and wanted to go out with some of DH's high school friends at night. So DD was asleep when we left and we were just 5 minutes away. Well, she woke up and MIL tried her best getting her back to sleep but DD flipped out and we had to come home because DD wouldn't stop crying.

This has happened at home too if I'm in the bathroom or something and DH tries to go in and comfort her without me. Normally this is when we get so worked up that she throws up.
post #9 of 12
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Originally Posted by physmom View Post
See we've tried once. Not a whole night but we were staying at the in-laws a couple of months ago and wanted to go out with some of DH's high school friends at night. So DD was asleep when we left and we were just 5 minutes away. Well, she woke up and MIL tried her best getting her back to sleep but DD flipped out and we had to come home because DD wouldn't stop crying.

This has happened at home too if I'm in the bathroom or something and DH tries to go in and comfort her without me. Normally this is when we get so worked up that she throws up.
it could be that she was so worked up because when she went to sleep you were there, but when she woke up you were gone.

we left Liam overnight for the first time at 17 months for our anniversary, and he was still night nursing every hour or so. He spent the night with his grandparents (who he LOVES and sees a lot, btw) and he didn't cry at all for me, went right back to sleep for MIL....
post #10 of 12
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Originally Posted by LadyCatherine185 View Post
we left Liam overnight for the first time at 17 months for our anniversary, and he was still night nursing every hour or so. He spent the night with his grandparents (who he LOVES and sees a lot, btw) and he didn't cry at all for me, went right back to sleep for MIL....
hmmm... we've never tried that (letting her fall asleep with DH or MIL and see what happens if I'm not there when she awakes). She'll go to sleep with DH or MIL just fine (she's done it twice this week when I had to work late) but I've always rushed home after she fell asleep because DH is scared to death of trying to put her back to sleep!
post #11 of 12
We are not quite night-weaned but we have reduced the feedings down to just one. We did this very gradually by pushing back her first feeding a half-an hour every 2 days. So she used to eat at 10 pm for first time for example and then we said no nursing until 10:30 and we would rock her and sing to her and sometimes she would go back to sleep and sometimes we would be awake until 10:30 and then I would feed her. Then two nights later it was 11:00 and so forth. This worked really well for us and we pushed back her feeding until around 4:00ish where we sort of hit a wall and now we need to try something else.
post #12 of 12
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Originally Posted by iheartwren View Post
We are not quite night-weaned but we have reduced the feedings down to just one. We did this very gradually by pushing back her first feeding a half-an hour every 2 days. So she used to eat at 10 pm for first time for example and then we said no nursing until 10:30 and we would rock her and sing to her and sometimes she would go back to sleep and sometimes we would be awake until 10:30 and then I would feed her. Then two nights later it was 11:00 and so forth. This worked really well for us and we pushed back her feeding until around 4:00ish where we sort of hit a wall and now we need to try something else.
I've actually heard that works really great for some people. Unfortunately, DD's wake up times are so inconsistent that she doesn't really have a set number of times she wakes up at night. Somedays if we can get her to eat well during the day she'll sleep 4 hours straight before she wakes up first. Other days it will be 30 minutes after I put her to sleep she'll be up again!
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