Anti-fertility vaccinations given without consent?

[Acupuncturist]

Does anyone know anything about this?

http://www.thinktwice.com/birthcon.htm

If this is true, it is a human-rights violation of the first order, committed by the World Health Organization.

[firewoman]

Wow! That was a scary report.

[Bokonon]

I recently read that too.

Here's another disturbing article:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/how-can-...opulation.html

[Lisa1970]

I had read about this long ago, but had forgotten where it was at. But I recall it had gone on in South America too.

[soso-lynn]

Originally Posted by Bokonon

I recently read that too.

Here's another disturbing article:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/how-can-...opulation.html

lol, that article makes no sense. It claims that the sentence "Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent." clearly states that Bill Gates intends on killing people with vaccines.

As for the other article, I would like to see some actual data about that situation.

[Bokonon]

This is also allegedly being done with the tetanus vaccine in Thailand:

http://www.akha.org/content/vaccinations/index.html

[Bokonon]

http://www.akha.org/content/vaccinat...oidscandal.pdf

[sosurreal09]

thats sickening

[Mama Metis]

Just because it's published on the Internet doesn't mean it's true.

These articles are silly. They have no real citations. They are simply not credible.

As for why Bill Gates would connect vaccines and population growth... It is well understood that when infant mortality rates in a developing country decrease, birth rates ultimately also decrease, because people are more confident that they will have surviving children with fewer births.

[mamadelbosque]

Yeah, seriously, you can't believe everything you read online. You just can't.

[Bokonon]

Originally Posted by mamadelbosque

Yeah, seriously, you can't believe everything you read online. You just can't.

Thanks, I'm well aware of that.

Is it really so hard to imagine that these stories might be true? When the U.S. recently admitted deliberately infecting almost 700 Guatemalans with syphilis in the 40's?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_747438.html

[heathergirl67]

When an "article" uses a vague memory of a conversation as a part of their References, it's usually a good indication that it's not a very credible piece of literature.

Non-vaxxers have so many legitimate concerns. I really feel that these kinds of websites feed into people's perception of anti-vaxxers who are "kooks" that believe anything they read on the internet.

[Bokonon]

Originally Posted by heathergirl67

When an "article" uses a vague memory of a conversation as a part of their References, it's usually a good indication that it's not a very credible piece of literature.

Non-vaxxers have so many legitimate concerns. I really feel that these kinds of websites feed into people's perception of anti-vaxxers who are "kooks" that believe anything they read on the internet.

Where is the "vague memory" reference you are referring to?

[heathergirl67]

Originally Posted by Bokonon

Where is the "vague memory" reference you are referring to?

It's from the OP's link.

(3) A call placed by this writer on 5 May 1995 to the Montgomery County (Maryland) Health Department, Epidemology Division -- Infectious Diseases -- Adult Immunizations, elicited the following information:

Q. For how long a time does the tetanus vaccination offer protection?
A. 10 years.
Q. Have you ever heard of any adult requiring three tetanus vaccinations within a 3 or 4 month time period, and a total of 5 vaccinations in all within a year or so?
A. Whaaaat! Never. No way!

[Otto]

Originally Posted by Bokonon

Is it really so hard to imagine that these stories might be true? When the U.S. recently admitted deliberately infecting almost 700 Guatemalans with syphilis in the 40's?

So, basically, misconduct happened in Guatemala and thus the entire panoply of stale conspiracy theories is on the table? The hCG story has been circulating for over a decade. One of its major problems is that the putatively mass-sterilized population doesn't seem to actually exist. There's not a reference left to be found on the site of HLI, which originated the story.

[Acupuncturist]

Originally Posted by mamadelbosque

Yeah, seriously, you can't believe everything you read online. You just can't.

Yes, I understand this as well. I've got four semesters of doctoral-level statistics and research methods courses under my belt and three publications of my own in top-tier research journals. I spent two years running a university research lab. So I've been there, done that.

But I also know enough to know that collecting data and getting people on the record on a topic that the powers-that-be want kept quiet can be next to impossible. I am not a conspiracy theorist, but there are instances in which third-world people have been subjected to temporary or permanent sterilization without their consent.

I understand that the article I posted lacks references -- that's why I posted it here asking if anyone knew more. I am totally on board with the notion that we as parents who make unconventional choices for our children must do everything we can to NOT be kooks. We have to be better informed, more articulate, and more credible than everyone else. That's my day to day reality as a health care provider outside the mainstream and that is why I am seeking discussion of this topic here rather than broadcasting the article far and wide on Facebook or my blog.

I am open to information that discredits the article, but the statement "you can't believe everything you read online " as though it settles the issue doesn't advance the conversation very far.

[Mama Metis]

Listen, it's not that human rights violations don't occur. They do. But these articles are just bizarre. Let's use some common sense here. These articles are asking you to believe that the UN/World Health Organization and Bill Gates not only have an incentive to serilize/kill people with vaccines, but are actually doing so.

Let's think for a moment about how many thousands of people would have to be involved in such a conspiracy. And let's consider that the articles have no legitimate citations, and are published on a fringey pro-life website and a blog that implores me to "Resist the New World Order: Donate Now!" Taken together, I think most thoughtful readers would conclude these articles are cyber-junk.

Non-vaxxers have so many legitimate concerns. I really feel that these kinds of websites feed into people's perception of anti-vaxxers who are "kooks" that believe anything they read on the internet.

Yeah, ultimately this is the danger. I've been on MDC for only a short time now, and it's a great community. But if this had been the first thread I'd come across, I'm certain I wouldn't be posting here today.

[Mosaic]

Some posts have been removed because they were going off-topic. Please keep in mind that when discussing articles, the focus needs to be on the general topic and NOT on individuals.

This topic was discussed at length recently... perhaps this may be helpful.

[Bokonon]

Originally Posted by Mama Metis

Listen, it's not that human rights violations don't occur. They do. But these articles are just bizarre. Let's use some common sense here. These articles are asking you to believe that the UN/World Health Organization and Bill Gates not only have an incentive to serilize/kill people with vaccines, but are actually doing so.

Let's think for a moment about how many thousands of people would have to be involved in such a conspiracy. And let's consider that the articles have no legitimate citations, and are published on a fringey pro-life website and a blog that implores me to "Resist the New World Order: Donate Now!" Taken together, I think most thoughtful readers would conclude these articles are cyber-junk.


Yeah, ultimately this is the danger. I've been on MDC for only a short time now, and it's a great community. But if this had been the first thread I'd come across, I'm certain I wouldn't be posting here today.

I think the citation in the first link for an article published in The Lancet is pretty legitimate, wouldn't you say?

Or is PubMed "cyber-junk"?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2453766

I don't know if these stories are true, and I'm not claiming they are. But they seem to have some validity, and if we know about it and turn a blind eye to it because it seems implausible, how is that different from so many who denied that the Holocaust was going on? After all, that would require the knowledge of thousands to exterminate MILLIONS for being considered inferior.

[Acupuncturist]

Originally Posted by Mama Metis

I've been on MDC for only a short time now, and it's a great community. But if this had been the first thread I'd come across, I'm certain I wouldn't be posting here today.

I think for many of us the value of MDC is the opportunity to discuss various topics without someone leaping in and saying "but that's not scientific!" or "no thinking person would believe that!" at every turn. If that's what we wanted, we would be posting elsewhere.

I am a thinking person. I am a respected member of the medical community in my city. I am acutely aware that the internet is full of "cyber junk" -- a big portion of my day is spent explaining to my patients that they don't need the herb, vitamin, supplement, magnetic mattress pad, or whatever that they read about on the internet last week. But I do think there's value in discussing a topic like this, even if it is only on a "maybe this hasn't actually happened, but could it possibly happen basis".

And moderator, thank you for the link to the other thread. That was helpful for me.