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SA: failed, where do we do from here?

post #1 of 6
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Hi All,

I have been a lurker for awhile, but wanted to see what others have done in this situation. DH and I just finished our battery of tests and seemed to find that my stuff is all good. Hormones right on, tubes and uterus clear. The semen analysis on the other hand was NOT good. The RE seems to think that ICSI is our only option. This scares me and will cost us about 13,000 since our insurance doesn't cover it. Has anyone made the decision to use a donor from this point or to go through with the whole thing? How did it work out?

Thanks for any info or feelings you may be able to share.



TTC #1 20 months and counting.
post #2 of 6
Hi I'm here we got a very discouraging SA, first thing you do is repeat the SA, then see an urologist to see if there is anything that can be done, I have thought about just doing an IUI with donor sperm, DHs numbers are so bad that even with IVF ICSI things may not work out, anyways we are still discussing things with the urologist and my RE to see what way we'll take.
post #3 of 6
I'm sorry to hear that you got bad results. It must be really disappointing for both of you. I have a friend that has a dh with MFI. They did conceive once on their own and twice with ICSI. There are a few women on here who have used donor sperm. I'm not sure if they are still around though. I'm sure you could do a search for some of their older threads about it.
post #4 of 6
We had massively failed SAs, more than once. They seemed to get worse, not better even after loading DP up on supplements, etc and seeing a reproductive urologist. We were also told that IVF with ICSI was our only option. And then almost died at the cost. And then did some more research. We decided against it in the end for a multitude of reasons, but the primary ones being the toxic load for me of all the drugs and the extremely high likelyhood that any sons we conceived would have to deal with infertility as well. I was also concerned about what we would do with the potentially large number of "left over" embryos.
There is a clinic in Montreal, affiliated with McGill that does unstimulated IVF cycles, which would address a lot of the toxicity and "left over" issues for you, if that's something you're concerned about. If I remember correctly, the price is also a bit lower. It's called IVM (In Vitro Maturation).
We did have DP tested up the wazoo looking for the "why" of the crappy SA, including genetic testing (carriers of CF are often infertile, and some defects with the XY chromosomes can be virtually without effect until you get to the fertility side of things). Nothing.
We looked in to embryo adoption, and actually found a family on MDC who were willing/eager to give us some of their left over embryos. In the end though, we were dealing with the same drug load as for IVF, and high travel costs, and it just didn't feel completely "right".
In the end, we wound up using donor sperm. First from a sperm bank (2 failed cycles), and then a known donor. We've done three cycles with the known donor, and have a 21 month old and a to-be-born in December babe. It was absolutely the BEST decision we could have made, and we were so, so blessed by wonderful friends who wanted to help us out in this incredible way.
BUT, it took DP more than a YEAR to come to a place where using donor sperm was a good thing (or even an option!) for him. It was hell. I really recommend getting some counselling. Read as much as you can. There's a book called "Lethal Secrets" about donor conception. It's a bit dated, but it's a good read anyway. Read the blogs written by the angry donor conceived children (now grown) who would rather not exist than have been donor conceived. Read DI Dad's blog (http://di-dad.blogspot.com/). His older stuff is more relevant, so dig in to the archives.
And, brace yourself. You are now no longer a "real" member of the infertility community. *You* don't have the problem, so you are often not going to be accepted completely. You are going to have to deal with "You should adopt, it's more ethical!" If you use a donor, there is a whole new level of stigma involved. I find that couples who need to use IVF are typically empathized with, or even pitied, but rarely are they told they are immoral in comparison with couples who use donors.
It's still a decision I would make again. We're nothing but satisfied and at peace with our decision and feel moderately confident that our kids will be well adjusted, happy, normal people. You just have to go in with your eyes open.
Anyway. There are a lot of things you can try to improve SA numbers, and the supplementation regimes are easy enough to dig out. Look into varicocele detection/repair, as that has really beneficial effects for many men. You don't have to rush in to anything. Hang in there. There's always a solution, and you'll find the right one for your family.
post #5 of 6
We dealing w/ severe MFI. Very low prognosis--but ICSI our only option. We got the 'if this does not work- donor sperm (and possibly eggs)' talk.

In the course of it all, we got involved in a study and it cut our costs in half for IVF/IVSI. Call around and see if you are potential candidates....doesnt hurt to try.

Even w/ ICSI- we had a low fertialization rate- BUT still it only takes one. Out of 21 eggs--then 14 embryos and 5 days later only.... 3 remaining embryos- two took (back in 2005). We attempted a FET with the last one that did not take.

So success can be had w/ IVF - ICSI even with very low numbers on SA (they want to see over 10 million...we were dealing with less than 100,000). We have been trying naturally ever since w/ no success. (so 4 years or so).

We talked about the donor route and adoption. They are some tough talks. As PP said, talk to a counsler. It helps answer questions and reduce any conflicting problems later ( what to do w/ extra embryos, how to explain donor sperm/eggs to kids, how to prepare for adoption...).

We are not giving up on more kids yet, but simply do not have the $ (or potential to take out a loan) for $10,000 at this point.

Good Luck!
post #6 of 6
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I am also concerned about all the toxins and hormones and shots. IVF seems pretty horrible and I am not sure I could go through it during the school year without losing my mind all together.

I guess that I just want us to start a family and while I love my husband I don't care that much about his genes. I want to say that if the situation was reversed and an egg donor would be necessary for me to get pregnant that I would jump on that just as quickly.

Maybe the urologist will find something definitive. If not I think I am going to consider the donor route before going to IVF/ ICSI. We are in the process of building a house so using our saving or borrowing 10,000 on top of what we will already need this year seems crazy. Thanks for the help!
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