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post #21 of 29
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Originally Posted by HeatherRD View Post
Here's another quote from discoveryhealth "With good hygiene, safe-sex practices and regular medical checkups throughout a man's life, circumcision isn't necessary. However, it should be left up to each parent to learn as much as possible about the subject, weigh the pros and the cons and make an informed decision. A circumcised boy is unlikely to know any different or care one way or the other, and the same holds true for an uncircumcised boy." Emphasis mine.

That's terrible.
Heather, although you've already sent your email I wanted to still provide you with a link that discusses the 'look like dad' excuse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yRFN...eature=related

As far as the 'cervical cancer excuse' you should point out that even if it was true, the introduction of the HPV vaccine over shadows any potential benefit circumcision may provide.
post #22 of 29
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I really wish I could respond to her with some of your excellent points about HPV (wearing a condom, amputation as a prevention measure and the breast cancer comparison), but I'm afraid I will sound badgering if I continue the conversation instead of a friendly "Oh here's some info you might not have.."

post #23 of 29
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Originally Posted by HeatherRD View Post
I really wish I could respond to her with some of your excellent points about HPV (wearing a condom, amputation as a prevention measure and the breast cancer comparison), but I'm afraid I will sound badgering if I continue the conversation instead of a friendly "Oh here's some info you might not have.."

Ya, you probably don't want to badger; but if the opportunity comes up you'll have the information.
post #24 of 29
I think it's great you were able to send her some information, even if she is still going to circ. The more I actually think about circumcision, the more I find it baffling that it is routinely done in the US.

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Originally Posted by ElliesMomma View Post
circumcised dads can be insecure about their son having a foreskin b/c it reminds them of what they don't have anymore.

so, it's not really about the son wanting to look like dad, but rather the dad not wanting to be different from the son.

IMO.
I'm sure someone out there feels this way, but I doubt it's the majority.

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Originally Posted by Storm Bride View Post
OMG...this drives me nuts. He's a newborn. They're not really a high risk group for HPV, syphilis or chlamydia, ime.
Exactly.
post #25 of 29
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Originally Posted by Mulvah View Post

I'm sure someone out there feels this way, but I doubt it's the majority.


This is actually the crux of the 'look like daddy' argument. Most men can't even consider the fact that there is something wrong with their genitals - that something bad was done to them, that something very important was taken away from them. Therefore, the insist that it be done to their son's since it has to be better that way.

Read this:

The Vulnerability of Men

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First of all, you need to understand that circumcised men are cornered on this issue. They were circumcised without their consent and have no inherent knowledge of what being intact is like. Even though they rarely will discuss the issue, they are keenly aware that they have been surgically altered in a very private way. There are several ways for a man to deal with this issue but the safest way, psychologically speaking, is to believe at all cost that the surgery performed on them was an enhancement and is preferred by women. Confirmation of this belief is essential to their sexual self-image. Do I need to tell you that sexual self-image is a major issue for men? Didn’t think so.
post #26 of 29
I'd tell her that you don't wish to badger her but you are concerned that she might learn the real truth too late. Send her the link to the thread here for parents who had their boyus circumcised and later learned the truth. The regret expressed is gut wrenching. Tell her you care about her and her child and that you don't ever want her to wish that someone had told her the truth or someone had taken the time to share what they knew to protect her baby.
here's the link: http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=112410
If you send her this and you are concerned that she will read here and see your thread about her, send the moderator a private message and discuss it.
The flip side of the issue is also circumcision complications. They are many and they need to be looked into!
post #27 of 29
I am one of those mamas that regrets it deeply-if only I had known all the facts and been aware of a site like this.

We circ'ed because my husband is and he chose to be at 12. My take on it now is its unnecessary cosmetic surgery and its was not my choice to make. It should have been left to my sons.

We also had some scary times with No 2. which thank goodness all turned out ok, but I thought at the time how could we have been so foolish.What if it did not come right,he is a guy after all and its his penis!

When I talk to other moms-to-be now I try to steer away from all the % and less chance of this and greater chance of that. He can ALWAYS to it later if he so chooses, but he can NEVER EVER get it back.

Send her the link of the regretful moms-it might be whats she needs.
post #28 of 29
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Originally Posted by hakunangovi View Post
My response to that line of reasoning is : " How often to you expect father and son to be sitting around comparing their penii ??"
This drives me CRAZY. When I first had the conversation with DH 6 years ago, he halfheartedly made this argument. We didn't circ (over my dead body, and he was easy to convince) and he later found out his dad wasn't cut (dh is). So he was different than his dad and never even knew it.

Dumbest argument ever.
post #29 of 29
Heather, I feel for you, and I understand your position.

Here's the tack I took with my SIL, when she told DH and me that she and my brother were planning to circumcise:

The first thing you need to research is pain relief. Many doctors don't use any pain relief at all, or don't wait long enough for it to take effect. A baby should have a topical anesthetic, usually EMLA cream, at least 20 minutes before a dorsal penile nerve black, which is injected into the penis. The EMLA cream keeps the shot from hurting so much. The nerve block will reduce the pain, but not eliminate it - and that needs time to take effect too. Make sure you stay with your baby, to make sure they actually use anesthetic, and that they give it enough time to work.

Talk to the doctor about which method he/she will use, and why. The aftercare is different, depending on the method.

After the operation, watch out for bleeding! Babies can only tolerate a very small amount of blood loss, and there are a lot of blood vessels in the penis. Disposable diapers can absorb a LOT of liquid, so sometimes it's hard to tell just how much blood there is. Babies have bled to death in just a few hours following circumcision.

If there is no bleeding, watch closely for the next few days for infection. Circumcision leaves an open wound, and then we wrap it in a diaper - infection is not uncommon.

Adhesions are the most common complication of circumcision - that's where the remaining foreskin tries to reattach to the glans. Most adhesions will release on their own by the time a boy reaches puberty; if they cause pain, they might need to be separated surgically. Lots of doctors and nurses will tear adhesions apart in the doctor's office - don't let them do this! It creates additional bleeding and scar tissue, and hurts like the dickens.

When Junior starts potty training, watch his urine stream closely. Between 10 and 20% of circumcised boys develop meatal stenosis, which is a narrowing of the urethra. Sometimes surgery is required to enlarge the opening.

As your son gets older, he may find that he doesn't have enough foreskin to accomodate an erection. Baby penises don't come with a dotted line saying "Cut Here". It's impossible for a doctor to know how much foreskin to leave, and sometimes they cut too much. Foreskin Restoration is the manual stretching of the remaining foreskin. There is not really a surgical way to make this better.

Speaking of how much to cut: because so many men experienced problems with too much foreskin being cut off, lots of doctors now are performing a "loose" circumcision, where a lot more foreskin is left for the boy to grow into. He might not even look circumcised to you.

If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask.
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