Looking at the other responses, it seems like it varies a lot how long a toddler will stay down for the night (mine is about 10 hrs, some people seem to get less, while others get 12). How long does yours stay down? And what time do you want to get up in the morning?
It seems like that might be the best place to start. If he wakes up later than you'd like, wake him earlier, and you might get him down earlier. If he wakes up at a good time already, try cutting out naps (my kid sleeps closer to 12 hrs at night when he doesn't nap). And if both the naps and the morning are working well, maybe you're stuck with that schedule for now.
Not that I've got it all figured out either, but after trying all sorts of things and keeping track of sleep and wake times over several weeks, I'm pretty convinced that no bedtime routine will change the basic pattern of how long he's willing to stay down at night.
It seems like that might be the best place to start. If he wakes up later than you'd like, wake him earlier, and you might get him down earlier. If he wakes up at a good time already, try cutting out naps (my kid sleeps closer to 12 hrs at night when he doesn't nap). And if both the naps and the morning are working well, maybe you're stuck with that schedule for now.
Not that I've got it all figured out either, but after trying all sorts of things and keeping track of sleep and wake times over several weeks, I'm pretty convinced that no bedtime routine will change the basic pattern of how long he's willing to stay down at night.
