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post #1 of 8
Thread Starter 
Hi,
We recently purchased our very first home--a townhouse. We moved in early September, and the weather was still warm, we had our windows open. Now it's colder, and the other night, I put our DD (18 mos) to bed in the upstairs room, the windows and door were closed up. When I came in later, I could smell smoke. My husband thought I was crazy, but I have a nose like a bear and can smell practically anything for a long distance! And I absolutely hate cigarette smoke. Luckily my parents didn't smoke, but I was born in 1964so I was around plenty of second hand smoke growing up and it really bugs me, besides being unhealthy. We also have a DS (4 yrs) who sleeps in the other upstairs bedroom.

I realized the neighbors, husband and wife w/o kids--who share the wall with us (they are very nice) have a mother who lives upstairs on the same wall as where I sleep with DD and put her to bed. I have seen the mother outside smoking recently, but did not notice it in the our side of the townhouse until we had to recently shut our windows because of the cold. Now, of course, I seem to be smelling it everywhere. Today I could smell it in our kitchen.
We have a Master Bedroom downstairs that does not share a wall with them and is on the other side of the townhouse. We haven't used it because we still put both kids to bed upstairs and DH and I sleep with DD in upstairs bedroom while DS sleeps in the other upstairs bedroom.

I spoke with our nosy neighbor who lives on the opposite side in a townhouse (not shared with us) and she said that the "mother" does smoke inside the house.

When we bought the home with the real estate agent, I expressed concerns about noise--mostly, and didn't even think about smoking neighbors. There is no noise, but the smoke seems to be more abundant--especially today.
I did express to the agent the possibility that the neighbors might smoke, but she didn't think so--I don't think she ever saw the mother and didn't know she lived there. The mother looks horrible, like she is on her last legs, always dragging on a cigarette outside. The neighbor told me that she thinks the husband and wife used to smoke, that's why they allow their mother to smoke in the home.

I don't want to have to buy a air filtering ionic thing and other things I've read about online that don't seem to work...but I might have to. I'm ready to speak to the "mother" or the hubby and wife and let them know in a kind way--but what are they going to do? Make mom smoke outside in the cold in the coming winter? Not likely to happen. They were not afraid to tell us that they can sometimes hear our very hyperactive DS when he pounds on the floor, but we try to minimize sounds--especially after 8 pm.

I guess we could move downstairs to our Master Bedroom and leave our son to sleep on his own in the relatively unaffected bedroom--he needs to start sleeping on his own anyway, I'm just mad I would have to do this in my own house. DH has practically no smelling capabilities (damaged smell) but we have both been having a bit of trouble sleeping in the new house. I hope it's not related to this.

Thanks for any advice you can give or similar situation...by the way, we are in Idaho, and I don't believe there are any homeowner laws governing this.

Minaret
post #2 of 8
I have no advice but can commiserate. We're in a semi-detached and the first winter we were here (we moved in in the spring) we had the same thing. It was worse upstairs in the bedrooms than downstairs. It was really horrible and bothered my husband more than me - not that I like cigarette smoke but dh grew up with a mother who smoked a lot and then died of lung cancer so he feels very strongly about smoking and second hand smoke. It is much better for us now but I think what happened was our neighbour had a heart attack and stopped smoking - or seriously cut down. This happened our third year here so we had two winters of it. We did seriously consider moving and tried to look into solutions but couldn't really find anything. We did buy an air cleaner for ds's room and I still use it.
post #3 of 8
I have no answer for you, but I can relate. We own a home and some new neighbors moved in about 3 years ago. They are smokers. All. of. them. It is grandparents, their daughter, and a gaggle of kids, maybe 6. All the relatives/friends that visit smoke too, it seems. All in a 2 bedroom house (I only know this bc I looked at that house when we were house hunting). I know for a fact that they smoke in their house. And they did this with 2 ity bity babies living there. Our houses are like 5 feet away from each other and they stand by their back door and basically anywhere in their small yard and the smoke goes right into my kitchen window as well as my upstairs bathroom. I cannot stand cig smoke and grew up with a parent that smoked in the house and my grandparents were the same way. It is SO frustrating. And I get SO mad and slam my windows shut. We also have a hard time sitting out on our deck or being in the yard when they're out SMOKING. This is not our only problem with them though. The grandparents are pretty much raising the kids, it seems, and the grandpa can be heard swearing at them and demeaning them. Yeah, it sucks. One time I called SS bc I thought some one of the kids was being abused or about to be. The gp had just lost it, you could hear it in his voice, it was scary. AND when my windows are open I can hear them yelling at the kids from inside their house.
I am at the point that, when it is financially possible, we are moving. These neighbors are about 80% of the reason that I want to move. I cannot wait for the day. It is sad.
post #4 of 8
Thread Starter 
Hi

Thanks for the replies--it somehow helps to know that I'm not the only one dealing with this problem. DH believes me now--he just can't smell it.

I never used to have allergies until I had my children in my 40's--now one of my ears always seems to be draining, and I'm sure this doesn't help. Right now, after realizing this smoke is coming from next door, it makes me really mad. It took us a long time to get this place, because a relocation company owned it and they were pricing it way above market value, but we wound up getting a great deal and a terrific interest rate, and the housing market isn't supposed to go up anytime soon, so I don't know that we'd consider moving for at least 2-3 years.

I have a potentially mobile job (environmental career) where we could move to other locations and states. The folks that owned the townhouse before us had two young kids--and a baby that was born before they left. The father was a firefighter. They relocated to another state and the relocation co bought the home from them. The co lost money on it, about $50K. I really wanted to buy a home instead of a townhouse, but this was the right price. The neighborhood is somewhat questionable--safe and small town, but probably the lowest end of all the neighborhoods here---a lot of rentals instead of homeowners and some foreclosed homes that are trashed and some folks that are not the environmentally friendly types if KWIM. However, I investigated my neighbors on all sides and it turned out they were all homeowners, friendly and had been in the neighobrhood for over 10 years. I thought that was a good sign, but I never thought about smoking neighbors.

Would any of you consider saying anything to the neighbor in a gentle way? My DH thinks they will be wary of us or we will create an enemy if we say anything, no matter how we say it. I guess I can only hope that the "grandmother" has not much left in her lungs to keep going--she looks very pathetic, all bent over and very unhealthy looking. I know that's not nice to say, but I guess I don't have much sympathy for smokers.

They don't have kids and we have a wild DS who they have to put up with--we have resorted to "yelling" at him lately because nothing else gets his attention (that's another issue I have to look into because he is very difficult, throwing tantrums constantly and is very hyperactive--some of it might be fatigue, he is starting to stop his afternoon nap). I was embarrassed when I read the second posters comments because we have probably lost it and yelled at our DS plenty of times within earshot of the neighbors. He is sometimes totally out of control. We are just exhausted and besides ourselves with him sometimes, but that's another story.

I'm definitely not the health queen by any means (I used to be in great shape but smoke coming through the walls seems much worse than anything else I can think of. We just came from an old, small house we rented circa 1940's and probably had lead paint under many layers and old wooden windows that were hard to open, so I was so glad to buy a bigger, more modern house, but now we are up against another battle.

Sorry this is so long, I guess I'm frustrated. We will probably have to move ourselves down to the bottom floor Master Bedroom, which doesn't seem to smell like smoke (yet) but the kitchen occasionally does.


Minaret
post #5 of 8
Sorry that you are having to deal with the smoke issue. It would bother us,too. I don't have advice for that but just wanted to throw out that your DS may be reacting to food/dyes (or even the smoke). My DS, now 12, had behavioral stuff going on that got lots better when we changed his diet (diary and dyes are big triggers, now they just trigger acne!).
post #6 of 8
You can't regulate what people do in their homes. If you go over and talk to them, they *might* have mom smoke outside, but more than likely you'll just piss them off and have a feud with the neighbors. This is one of those things you deal with when living in a townhome/apartment.
post #7 of 8
It sucks, but there really isn't much you can do about it.

Even if they started smoking outside it probably wouldn't completely fix the problem. You'd still have smoke in the area.

How do you think the smoke smell is getting into your house? Do you have a shared attic or something? Or do you think it's literally coming through the walls?

But yeah, they have the right to smoke inside their house or outside their house.

I think the best you could do is, if it comes up naturally in a conversation, mention that you have some allergy problems and that smoke makes it worse.

But, even then I doubt they'd ever consider that the smell would go over to your townhouse. I don't think I would have considered it, if I smoked.
post #8 of 8
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Originally Posted by Minaret View Post
Hi

Thanks for the replies--it somehow helps to know that I'm not the only one dealing with this problem. DH believes me now--he just can't smell it.

I never used to have allergies until I had my children in my 40's--now one of my ears always seems to be draining, and I'm sure this doesn't help. Right now, after realizing this smoke is coming from next door, it makes me really mad. It took us a long time to get this place, because a relocation company owned it and they were pricing it way above market value, but we wound up getting a great deal and a terrific interest rate, and the housing market isn't supposed to go up anytime soon, so I don't know that we'd consider moving for at least 2-3 years.

I have a potentially mobile job (environmental career) where we could move to other locations and states. The folks that owned the townhouse before us had two young kids--and a baby that was born before they left. The father was a firefighter. They relocated to another state and the relocation co bought the home from them. The co lost money on it, about $50K. I really wanted to buy a home instead of a townhouse, but this was the right price. The neighborhood is somewhat questionable--safe and small town, but probably the lowest end of all the neighborhoods here---a lot of rentals instead of homeowners and some foreclosed homes that are trashed and some folks that are not the environmentally friendly types if KWIM. However, I investigated my neighbors on all sides and it turned out they were all homeowners, friendly and had been in the neighobrhood for over 10 years. I thought that was a good sign, but I never thought about smoking neighbors.

Would any of you consider saying anything to the neighbor in a gentle way? My DH thinks they will be wary of us or we will create an enemy if we say anything, no matter how we say it. I guess I can only hope that the "grandmother" has not much left in her lungs to keep going--she looks very pathetic, all bent over and very unhealthy looking. I know that's not nice to say, but I guess I don't have much sympathy for smokers.

They don't have kids and we have a wild DS who they have to put up with--we have resorted to "yelling" at him lately because nothing else gets his attention (that's another issue I have to look into because he is very difficult, throwing tantrums constantly and is very hyperactive--some of it might be fatigue, he is starting to stop his afternoon nap). I was embarrassed when I read the second posters comments because we have probably lost it and yelled at our DS plenty of times within earshot of the neighbors. He is sometimes totally out of control. We are just exhausted and besides ourselves with him sometimes, but that's another story.

I'm definitely not the health queen by any means (I used to be in great shape but smoke coming through the walls seems much worse than anything else I can think of. We just came from an old, small house we rented circa 1940's and probably had lead paint under many layers and old wooden windows that were hard to open, so I was so glad to buy a bigger, more modern house, but now we are up against another battle.

Sorry this is so long, I guess I'm frustrated. We will probably have to move ourselves down to the bottom floor Master Bedroom, which doesn't seem to smell like smoke (yet) but the kitchen occasionally does.


Minaret
Yeah, I don't think that *I* would say anything directly to my neighbors about their smoking. I just drop subtle hints that it annoys the #$% out of me by coughing loudly intentionally. And yes they have a right to do whatever the hell they want, unfortunately.
I agree with the other poster about food/dye/environmental triggers for your son's behavior. I've noticed that my older has a better attitude and way less tantrums now that we've cut out gluten and corn. Our health professional recently said that corn (mainly corn sweeteners) and tomatoes (and tomato products) can really mess with some people's emotions.
And I would not compare you yelling at your son because he's out of control (been there) to my neighbors. Telling little kids (2 and 3 year olds) to shut the F up, (screaming it at them{this is the grandpa}), telling them they're dumb asses, idiots. And I've heard them slapping/spanking the little ones.
And in turn these kids swear all.the.time....I don't want dd hearing that language (not that she's never heard any) but the frequency is absurd.
I feel sorry for the kids because it is not their fault that they live with their grandparents and don't have parents around to parent them.
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