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post #101 of 151
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Originally Posted by Mackenzie View Post
But according to some PP, he deserves everything that comes to him for having this chickens, no matter how upstanding or positive of an influence he otherwise is
I don't know that I'd say he deserves it. I would say that if he chooses to break that law, he should be sure that he can live with the consequences of getting caught. It isn't really even a moral stand, it's just a matter of effective decision making.

Really, what are the consequences? If getting caught with chickens means a fine, can you pay it if you have to? With MJ, if it could actually result in kids going into foster care, even for a small amount of time, how likely does it have to be that you might get caught before it isn't worth it to you?
post #102 of 151
As someone who has smoked pot in the past and will again in the future, I would NEVER offer it to another person's child. I wouldn't offer another person's child alcohol, cigarettes, or even over-the-counter drugs. I think you're overthinking this.
post #103 of 151
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Originally Posted by SpiderMum View Post
As someone who has smoked pot in the past and will again in the future, I would NEVER offer it to another person's child. I wouldn't offer another person's child alcohol, cigarettes, or even over-the-counter drugs. I think you're overthinking this.
And as a child of a parent who DID offer their child and their children's friends pot, I think the OP is NOT.
post #104 of 151
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Originally Posted by Mackenzie View Post
Youve never speeded? Stayed parked at a meter a few minutes too long? Jaywalked? Spit on a sidewalk? Rode a bike against traffic!?
No, to all those! Why would I break (or flout) the law? Laws are there for the protection of the general public.... which includes me and my kids.
post #105 of 151
The reason that I wouldn't name names to my child is because, if mj use is that wide spread and accepted where you live, you can't possible know the names of ALL the parents he will eventually spend time with who smoke. As his world continues to get bigger and he has more friends that you don't know the families, the more of a wild card issue it becomes. You really don't know which parent will cross line.

So rather than putting out an alert to be carefully around Tommy's parents, it just makes more sense to me to discuss the situation in general, so that how ever it plays out in his life he is prepared.
post #106 of 151
I don't smoke pot, or cigarettes and due to health concerns I would ask the parents where my child plays at if they did.
post #107 of 151
I don't smoke pot. Never have, never will. And I like to assume that my friends don't either. Ignorance is bliss? LOL. I don't ever even think to ask.
post #108 of 151
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Originally Posted by philomom View Post
No, to all those! Why would I break (or flout) the law? Laws are there for the protection of the general public.... which includes me and my kids.
All right... I had to do it. Did you know that in Oregon it's illegal...

for drivers to pump their own gas?
To show movies on a Sunday?
to juggle without a license?
to sleep naked?
to DTD non-missionary?
post #109 of 151
Pumping your own gas, yeah that I am sure she (or anyone who has gotten gas in OR) knows they seriously do.not.let.you. I love OR for that (I hate pumping gas with a red, hot passion)... but the others... that's what I am saying. I can not fathom any person who has never broken the law and it flabbergasts me when people claim such...
post #110 of 151
FWIW Philomom said "knowingly".

I've been following the whole thread and it really is interesting. In response to the OP, I don't think you should name names, or assume that your friends will give your child pot any more than you would assume they would give your son alcohol (although is this is a concern, then maybe he shouldn't be at their houses?). I do think that saying something like "Well, I don't know if you do or don't drink/smoke, but if you do please don't do it around my son. I'll gladly pick up him from your house, and he'll still be allowed over, but please just not when he's around." Or something more eloquent than that, I'm not all that good with words.
IMO if they're any sort of friends they won't mind a request like that.
My parents apparently smoked during my teen years, probably younger too. I seriously had NO clue. And I'm not sheltered or anything. They are amazing wonderful loving and responsible parents.
post #111 of 151
She also said she would never do so because laws are there for the protection of the people... I think mysticmomma just did a fine job of illustrating that is not always the case... I'm interested to see how far she would go to obey the law, knowing these laws (or if she did know, if she will uphold them)
post #112 of 151
Yeah, I hate "always" or "never" claims.
post #113 of 151
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Originally Posted by mysticmomma View Post
All right... I had to do it. Did you know that in Oregon it's illegal...

for drivers to pump their own gas?
To show movies on a Sunday?
to juggle without a license?
to sleep naked?
to DTD non-missionary?
Well, in Texas, it's illegal to use a shotgun to kill a buffalo from the second story window of any building overlooking a main thoroughfare.

That being said, there's a difference between illegal and unlawful. It's unlawful if it's breaking a written, recognized law, but it's only illegal if you get caught.
post #114 of 151
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Originally Posted by philomom View Post
Laws are there for the protection of the general public....

There are laws meant to protect the general public. Mostly, they work to whatever extent people choose to follow them, and that choice isn't usually about whether or not they're legal. I don't key people's cars, punch people I'm angry with, drive drunk, shoplift, steal, etc. because I believe those things to be wrong, not because there are laws against them. I've known people who have done all those things, because they don't have an ethical issue with them and/or successfully rationalize that those things are okay in a particular instance, even though they're illegal.

There are lots of laws that serve purposes other than the protection of the general public. Like any other law, those laws are followed by some, and not by others. The marijuana laws, specifically, do not protect the general public.
post #115 of 151
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Originally Posted by Storm Bride View Post
There are laws meant to protect the general public. Mostly, they work to whatever extent people choose to follow them, and that choice isn't usually about whether or not they're legal. I don't key people's cars, punch people I'm angry with, drive drunk, shoplift, steal, etc. because I believe those things to be wrong, not because there are laws against them. I've known people who have done all those things, because they don't have an ethical issue with them and/or successfully rationalize that those things are okay in a particular instance, even though they're illegal.

There are lots of laws that serve purposes other than the protection of the general public. Like any other law, those laws are followed by some, and not by others. The marijuana laws, specifically, do not protect the general public.
I agree with all of this. I have my own opinions about certain laws, especially laws that ultimately benefit corporations' bottom lines. I think the marijuana laws were designed to do just that...benefit those seeking to make profits. Why would we allow people to use a plant which can be grown in their own backyards at a relatively low cost? (we're talking about a plant here...not the manufacturing of a substance). Weeeell, it just doesn't make sense from a business standpoint. There's a lot of money to be made through other forms of entertainment such as the booze industry, plus people may not need as many pharmaceuticals if we allow them to self treat chronic pain through MJ.

I do think there are laws out there designed to protect the general public, but I also think that massive lobbying by special interests also plays a huge part in legality on certain issues. It may be framed as "protection" but I do think there is an agenda behind a lot of things.

Disclaimer: this is my own opinion and is probably not the sentiment held by the vast majority of people out there.
post #116 of 151
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Originally Posted by philomom View Post
There are lots of laws that serve purposes other than the protection of the general public. Like any other law, those laws are followed by some, and not by others. The marijuana laws, specifically, do not protect the general public.
Yes, like some laws protect the over-valuation of a controlled substance to keep the cash flowing in. I know, being a general public myself, I don't see a dime of that protection.

Seriously though, I was raised by a daily-user of mj, and given that he was self-medicating for severe adhd, his addictive behaviour only made things a lot worse. I was severely emotionally abused.

I just wouldn't have friends I didn't trust. I would look at why they've included mj in their lives. If it was to cover up a serious issue, I would think carefully about how much time I spend with them if ever. For me, mental evasion is a far worse behaviour than a purely pleasure-seeking one, if it's as innocuous as smoking mj. That said, I have experience with healing chronic illness derived of inhaling second-hand smoke, so none of my immediate family spends any time with people while they are smoking anything.

I have friends I trust on mj, and others I wouldn't be anywhere near if they took it up. I have no concerns about people using mj for pain management. I have greater concerns about people taking certain pharmaceuticals.

I also couldn't care any less about the state's legislating against non-violent, non-coercive, non-interfering behaviours. They can go ahead and do it, but if I determine something is good for my life and it's "unlawful", I'll just make sure to not be caught. I have no tolerance for meddling.

As an aside, the smell of mj causes so much emotional pain for me that I have never and likely will never ingest it in any way. I'm a straight-edge, but not to be a "good girl". I just really love my brain and don't find slowing it down to be relaxing or enjoyable at all. At least until now; I might end up being a party-gramma. I have five children; I might be ready to slow my brain down once they're grown.

ETA:Ha ha, CatsCradle, I just read your post. I guess there are at least a few of us who think the same thing.
post #117 of 151
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Originally Posted by CatsCradle View Post
I agree with all of this. I have my own opinions about certain laws, especially laws that ultimately benefit corporations' bottom lines. I think the marijuana laws were designed to do just that...benefit those seeking to make profits. Why would we allow people to use a plant which can be grown in their own backyards at a relatively low cost? (we're talking about a plant here...not the manufacturing of a substance). Weeeell, it just doesn't make sense from a business standpoint. There's a lot of money to be made through other forms of entertainment such as the booze industry, plus people may not need as many pharmaceuticals if we allow them to self treat chronic pain through MJ.

I do think there are laws out there designed to protect the general public, but I also think that massive lobbying by special interests also plays a huge part in legality on certain issues. It may be framed as "protection" but I do think there is an agenda behind a lot of things.

Disclaimer: this is my own opinion and is probably not the sentiment held by the vast majority of people out there.
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Originally Posted by PreggieUBA2C View Post
Yes, like some laws protect the over-valuation of a controlled substance to keep the cash flowing in. I know, being a general public myself, I don't see a dime of that protection.

Seriously though, I was raised by a daily-user of mj, and given that he was self-medicating for severe adhd, his addictive behaviour only made things a lot worse. I was severely emotionally abused.

I just wouldn't have friends I didn't trust. I would look at why they've included mj in their lives. If it was to cover up a serious issue, I would think carefully about how much time I spend with them if ever. For me, mental evasion is a far worse behaviour than a purely pleasure-seeking one, if it's as innocuous as smoking mj. That said, I have experience with healing chronic illness derived of inhaling second-hand smoke, so none of my immediate family spends any time with people while they are smoking anything.

I have friends I trust on mj, and others I wouldn't be anywhere near if they took it up. I have no concerns about people using mj for pain management. I have greater concerns about people taking certain pharmaceuticals.

I also couldn't care any less about the state's legislating against non-violent, non-coercive, non-interfering behaviours. They can go ahead and do it, but if I determine something is good for my life and it's "unlawful", I'll just make sure to not be caught. I have no tolerance for meddling.

As an aside, the smell of mj causes so much emotional pain for me that I have never and likely will never ingest it in any way. I'm a straight-edge, but not to be a "good girl". I just really love my brain and don't find slowing it down to be relaxing or enjoyable at all. At least until now; I might end up being a party-gramma. I have five children; I might be ready to slow my brain down once they're grown.

ETA:Ha ha, CatsCradle, I just read your post. I guess there are at least a few of us who think the same thing.


post #118 of 151
I don't, but I don't really care what other ADULTS do. I am very much against offering it to kids though and I'm not thrilled with the idea of smoking it with the kids. I would be absolutely furious if another parent offered pot to my kid.
post #119 of 151
You're not the only one. DH and I don't, either. Of course, there may be SOME influence because of job requirements, but.....

Additionally, I do have real concerns about the legality of it. I have a hard time contemplating taking part in a recreational activity that could cause me to lose my kids. Fine, so it's illegal to have sex in a non-missionary position, but they're not going to raid your house and take your kids away for that. I mean, geez, we all understand how this works.

I would talk to my child, but I wouldn't name names. I would also offer them the, "You can call me anytime," option.
post #120 of 151
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Originally Posted by Linda on the move View Post
The reason that I wouldn't name names to my child is because, if mj use is that wide spread and accepted where you live, you can't possible know the names of ALL the parents he will eventually spend time with who smoke. As his world continues to get bigger and he has more friends that you don't know the families, the more of a wild card issue it becomes. You really don't know which parent will cross line.

So rather than putting out an alert to be carefully around Tommy's parents, it just makes more sense to me to discuss the situation in general, so that how ever it plays out in his life he is prepared.
I think that makes a lot of sense.
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