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Boy gets HIB....what do you think about this article?

post #1 of 23
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/10/20...ex.html?hpt=C2

A coworker sent this to my husband today because he knows we don't vaccinate our son.

Any thoughts on this?
post #2 of 23
I skimmed it...

I think the overall tone is "Parents that don't vax don't know anything about vaccines or diseases." The parents didn't know what Hib was? Not all of us are like that. I researched each disease and vax. I KNOW that I need to know what to look for...
post #3 of 23
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Originally Posted by AFWife View Post
I skimmed it...

I think the overall tone is "Parents that don't vax don't know anything about vaccines or diseases." The parents didn't know what Hib was? Not all of us are like that. I researched each disease and vax. I KNOW that I need to know what to look for...
Does this article scare you? And why or why not?

I know you know what the disease is, but does it make you fearful that if you don't vaccinate against this disease your child could get it?
post #4 of 23
You might want to look into seroreplacement....
post #5 of 23
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Originally Posted by AprilM View Post
Does this article scare you? And why or why not?

I know you know what the disease is, but does it make you fearful that if you don't vaccinate against this disease your child could get it?
No. If I were afraid of my child getting the disease I would vaccinate against it.
post #6 of 23
That article isn't really a useful piece of information.

Summary: Boy is not vaccinated because parents think it's dangerous. Boy gets terrible but rare VPD and nearly dies. Parents now realize they were wrong and vaccinate all their children.

It's the exact reverse of the other common ancedotal story that gets told all the time: Boy is vaccinated because parents think diseases are dangerous. Boy gets terrible but rare vaccine reaction and nearly dies. Parents now realize they were wrong and do not give any more vaccines to any of their children.

Neither is a compelling argument.
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post #7 of 23
I don't think the article really says anything. So a boy got HIB and almost dies. Of course it's awful he was so sick and the parents must have been beside themselves when told he had "minutes to live." But what is the story without the "some parents are stupid and irresponsible" agenda?

It is very one-sided. The "anti-vaccine" point of view is not represented well or at all really. I do think is was irresponsible for the parents to refuse the HIB vax without knowing what the disease is. And that does reflect badly on anyone who refuses vaxes.

Also, it irritates me to no end that so often VPDs in populations that should have had boosters are brought up in these articles. The vast majority of those who get those disease have not had the boosters for many reasons, not becuase they disagree with vaxs.
post #8 of 23
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Originally Posted by pammysue View Post
Also, it irritates me to no end that so often VPDs in populations that should have had boosters are brought up in these articles. The vast majority of those who get those disease have not had the boosters for many reasons, not becuase they disagree with vaxs.
Exactly. Would they have done the story if it had gone like this:

Boy gets vax. Boy has TERRIBLE reaction to vax and doctors say "don't do this one again." Boy gets disease and almost dies.

Same basic decision (no vax), same outcome (sick and almost dying)
post #9 of 23
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Originally Posted by AprilM View Post
Does this article scare you? And why or why not?

I know you know what the disease is, but does it make you fearful that if you don't vaccinate against this disease your child could get it?
It doesn't scare me into vaxxing any more than it scares vaxxing parents to hear about a horrific vax reaction. You do what you feel is right either way. When I hear about a vaccine reaction, it does re-affirm what I think about vaccines, but when I hear about an illness from not vaccinating, I still think about all of those vaccine reactions. It's the vaccine reactions that scare me, not the illnesses, no matter what the news' spin is on it.

We all have confirmation bias and there's really no way around it. If you're already someone who vaccinates, this will re-affirm how important it is. It's not going to change anyone,
post #10 of 23
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It's the vaccine reactions that scare me, not the illnesses, no matter what the news' spin is on it.

ITA! VPDs are treatable - vaccine reaction (assuming anyone would admit that's what it was) are not.
post #11 of 23
eh, same old same old nothing new in it. The usual scare tactics.
post #12 of 23
I find it really odd that the old "non-vaxers don't remember what it was like before vaccines!" arguement out when they are talking about Hib. I was never vaxed for Hib, and I am only 30. This vaccine hasn't been out that long.

Of course I feel awful that this family had to go through this, but I also don't think they should be the poster child of non vaxing when they hadn't even heard of Hib.

There are all kinds of awful events on both sides of this issue. We made our decision on an overall risk/benefit analysis so as much as my heart bleeds whenever a child is ill or injured, I can't let it sway me unless it is part of an overall trend.
post #13 of 23
My thoughts are that your husband needs to tell his coworker to mind his own business and/or send him a bunch of links to vaccine-related injuries and deaths.
post #14 of 23
Whats get me is....Say they did totally vaccinate him for everything under the sun, including Flu.

Then he gets stricken with a bacterial or viral infection that has the exact same outcome, only there is no vaccine for this one, so in this case, it wouldnt be the parents fault.

Totally un-newsworthy, right?
post #15 of 23
Yeah, no impression here. HiB protects against a few strains of HiB but not all - just like the flu. Just like pneumococcal. But that doesn't mean you can't still get them. You can. And thousands, millions still do. So, whats the point?
post #16 of 23
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My thoughts are that your husband needs to tell his coworker to mind his own business and/or send him a bunch of links to vaccine-related injuries and deaths.
post #17 of 23
I wonder what would have happened if he HAD been vaccinated and still got HiB? There was a study done showing that while a strain of bacteria that most frequently caused HiB was reduced with the vaccines, other more deadly strains were causing MORE HiB and were not nearly as easily treatable, etc.

I just read these stories and move on. I'm not worried about my kids getting a "VPD"...I am worried about the vax side effects.
post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by mamadelbosque View Post
Yeah, no impression here. HiB protects against a few strains of HiB but not all - just like the flu. Just like pneumococcal. But that doesn't mean you can't still get them. You can. And thousands, millions still do. So, whats the point?
Really. Interesting. Where did you find this information? (that the HIB and Pneumococcal vaccine only prevents certain strains? Can you point me to the references where you got your information? I would love to put something together for my husband's coworker citing studies and references.
post #19 of 23
Hib IS a strain. the hib vaccines prevents invasive disease from Haemophilus influenzae type B. There are no other strains of "hib". There are other Haemophilus influenzae strains which are not included in the vaccine, for example Haemophilus influenzae type A.

Hib disease cannot be caused by another strain. Hib disease is only caused by hib. Invasive hib disease is different than invasive disease caused by Hia (Haemophilus influenzae type A). Hib, for example, is known to cause epiglotitis while Hia is not.

Hib disease is now almost unheard of thanks to the vaccine; in some areas, other strains of Haemophilus influenzae bacteria are on the rise. These rises, however, are pretty small in comparison to the hib drop. There is also the issue that not all Hi strains are as dangerous as Hib. Hia seems to be the most troublesome.

the PCV vaccine now contains 13 strains of pneumococcal bacteria. There are others not included in the vaccine.
post #20 of 23
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Originally Posted by carriebft View Post
Hib disease is now almost unheard of thanks to the vaccine; in some areas, other strains of Haemophilus influenzae bacteria are on the rise. These rises, however, are pretty small in comparison to the hib drop. There is also the issue that not all Hi strains are as dangerous as Hib. Hia seems to be the most troublesome.
Carrie, do you think NTHi is more or less troublesome than HiA?
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