Post your behavior egg-reactions here.

[menomena]

I'm about to go out of my ever-lovin' mind.

I just survived a 45min panic-attack-like freakout by my 5.5yo. We've been egg-free for most of the last three years. We recently retrialed after her IgE scratch test came back negative for eggs. It's been a few weeks and she's having panic-attacks, essentially. Having a hard time falling asleep, picking fights out of the clear blue. Telling us that we can't talk to her at dinner otherwise dinner is a "disaster" in her words.

She also has some pretty clear food-related anxiety (probably from all the uncertainty about what is "safe"). Other people's attitudes in the extended family are not helping.

DH's first reaction is always to take food out. But, truthfully, she's been like this for several months now, just escalating. We buy our eggs local and pastured. They are inexpensive and super healthy/filling (we eat paleo, mostly). I'm desperate not to lose them and fear it's clouding my judgement.

Help!

[kjbrown92]

For DS, he would sob about everything the next day after eating eggs. Just absolutely bawling. Now it's more cut and dried, he pukes after 20 minutes. We have definite behavior reactions to other foods though... I get increased anxiety with gluten/dairy. DS has tantrums/volatile temper from foods. I wish we could get eggs back too for him.

[menomena]

Thanks, Kathy.

We do know that she has behavior rxns to other foods. I suspect she has sulfur "issues" that are probably exacerbated by eggs.

Doesn't help that our recent scratch test showed an IgE allergy to almonds, birch pollen and other weed & grass pollens. Allergist confirmed pollen-cross reactivity is possible, and likely, given I am a huge bundle of allergies/rxns myself (as is Dave to a lesser degree). Interestingly enough, he also confirmed for me that pollen in the air touching the skin is enough to trigger an IgE rxn, such as eczema on the skin. Hello likely explanation for a lot of our "mystery" reactions.

[changingseasons]

Honestly, I've figured out that I have to trial something 3 or 4 times before I can really decide if it's a pass or fail. There can be so many other variables that make it hard to tell what's causing what!

So my vote is to take them out again for a few days, then trial again. Rinse and repeat as necessary.

[mamafish9]

Sulfur puts more stress on the sulfation pathway - is she solid in mag, mo, B6/P5P? Sounds like classic low mag reaction to me.

We found that big food changes (e.g. adding back in dairy) required a bunch of adjustments in other nutrients. What seemed like "reaction" could be handled over time by adjusting minerals, B vites, whatever.

So could just be egg reaction, but if you want to fight to keep the eggs in, I'd try upping/adjusting mag/mo/P5P.

[menomena]

I thought she was solid on those. Up to 400mg Mag/day and 50mg B6, combo of P5P and some other form (it's from Thorne and is upstairs...). Edit; just checked, it's just over 50mg but only 1.75mg comes from P5P (it's a larger dose but I reencapsulate in quarter doses, since. I didn't want to blast her with B vites). The rest comes from Pyridoxine HCl.

We've also noticed an apparent lowering of epsom salt tollerance.

[mamafish9]

Nessa, regular B6 didn't do squat for my DS, P5P makes a huge difference. I give him 5-10mg a day now (more early on when he was sals sensitive). It might be worth a try. Can't remember if you guys have metals issues, but P5P also improves mag utilization.

[Theloose]

If it's been escalating for months, it sounds like something's getting run down, and maybe eggs are a handy scapegoat?

I've kind of given up on the food-reaction link for dd. Folate and mag make a huge difference for her, in terms of avoiding meltdowns, and lately we've been doing b12 megadrops. I figured they wouldn't do anything, since the sublinguals didn't, but wowza, huge reaction out of those. There's a day or two of madness, followed by significant cognitive leaps, and we discovered this morning that she's grown almost an inch and a half in the last 2.5 months. The best cognitive leaps are that she's willing to talk about food and nutrition without crying and running into the other room, she actually *asked* for vitamins (totally and completely unheard of for her), and when she wakes up in the middle of the night, she calls 'mommy' instead of screaming and crying. B12 is used for nerves, and just about everything in your body, especially your gut, is controlled by your nerves. Yeah, I b12 right now.

Anyway, hi! Nice to see you around

[menomena]

Now i'm kind of glad I've beem procrastinating on the iherb order. Hmmm. What b6 did you use that was all/mostly p5p?

Also, is there a better mag than natural calm? Right now we're on solgar brand mag citrate since she'll take pills but fiiiiiiights about drink her mag (or any water at all really). I've noticed her bowl tolerance with natural calm is around 300mg I want to say, but she tollerates much higher in pill form.

[menomena]

Hi shannon! I'm hoping to be back on now more regularly now that I have an android and can catch up on chat each night laying down with aevryn.

I'm definitely motivated to figure this stuff out since a. The escalation and b. New baby joining the family in 19ish wks...

Dave and I have been taking good b12 and folate (not the sublinguals but doppers) and I feel those have helped us.

I am happy your dd is benefiting. I'm especially interested to hear about the growing, since we are now down in the 10th %tile I think...

[mamafish9]

Originally Posted by menomena

Now i'm kind of glad I've beem procrastinating on the iherb order. Hmmm. What b6 did you use that was all/mostly p5p?

Also, is there a better mag than natural calm? Right now we're on solgar brand mag citrate since she'll take pills but fiiiiiiights about drink her mag (or any water at all really). I've noticed her bowl tolerance with natural calm is around 300mg I want to say, but she tollerates much higher in pill form.

I use this P5P, it's actually got another form of active B6 in it as well, http://www.iherb.com/Country-Life-Ac...Caps/1642?at=0

It's always worked really well for us, so I haven't messed with it.

For mag, I've been using mag glycinate, http://www.iherb.com/Bluebonnet-Nutr...aps/21160?at=0, but I may switch to NOW mag citrate (trialing it now) so I don't have to open and dump so many capsules. We've had a really serious issue with constipation again in the last couple of weeks that coincides with opening the new bottle of mag, so I'm a bit concerned about quality issues - never had any trouble in the past, and it could be something else. Back at his most mag needy, mag glycinate worked better than mag citrate for us. The capsules of all mag are pretty big, so you may need to repack them into smaller caps. There are other brands that sell the Albion mag glycinate, but I think they're all caplets or tablets, rather than capsules.

[Theloose]

Yeah, we hadn't measured in a while but it looks like she dropped on the charts a fair bit after I got pg (95th to 50th, maybe?) and now she's back up. She definitely grew a bunch with milk coming back, but it's been almost 7 months now, and that's a lot of growth! B12 (and preschool) are the only real changes.

I'm not sure if it came across clearly, my point was that I'm thinking mega b12 is likely good for *all of us* here in the forum, regardless of tested levels/lack of reaction to smaller doses, or at least very, very worth a crazy high dose trial. And that b12 positively effecting behavior and meltdowns and growth is clearly within the realm of possible. I don't think it's just methylation for us, either, I think it's the nerve component.

[coolgirl]

My son reacts badly to eggs get hives. He is allergic to all the trees and the grass. It seems like sulfation issue but dont know where to start.............

[coolgirl]

Originally Posted by whoMe

I'm not sure if it came across clearly, my point was that I'm thinking mega b12 is likely good for *all of us* here in the forum, regardless of tested levels/lack of reaction to smaller doses, or at least very, very worth a crazy high dose trial.

Could you pls. explain mega b12, what brand and dose worked for you. Are drops better than under the sublingual?

[coolgirl]

Originally Posted by mamafish9

Sulfur puts more stress on the sulfation pathway - is she solid in mag, mo, B6/P5P? Sounds like classic low mag reaction to me.

We found that big food changes (e.g. adding back in dairy) required a bunch of adjustments in other nutrients. What seemed like "reaction" could be handled over time by adjusting minerals, B vites, whatever.

So could just be egg reaction, but if you want to fight to keep the eggs in, I'd try upping/adjusting mag/mo/P5P.

Very encouraging post, thanks for sharing. I really gets concerned/confused over adding individual minerals since they compete with others like Mg alone competes with Mn, Mo wipes out Cu, so how did you manage to keep other minerals in balance while upping Mg, Mo. thanks again

[mamafish9]

Originally Posted by coolgirl

My son reacts badly to eggs get hives. He is allergic to all the trees and the grass. It seems like sulfation issue but dont know where to start.............

Hives could be IgE allergy to egg, in which case it's not sulfation that's the issue. We don't get hives, so they scare me, and I don't know much about them .

Originally Posted by coolgirl

Very encouraging post, thanks for sharing. I really gets concerned/confused over adding individual minerals since they compete with others like Mg alone competes with Mn, Mo wipes out Cu, so how did you manage to keep other minerals in balance while upping Mg, Mo. thanks again

At the dosages I use, you don't need to worry too much about that, you're just trying to correct deficiencies. I use Thorne trace minerals, which are a nice balance of several minerals, and extra zinc & mag because my son needs them (we do hair & pee testing to keep his minerals balanced, because he reacts strongly to going out of whack).

The other things is that there are plenty of stresses on the body that impact minerals status - food reactions, metals, sickness - so not taking supps can impact minerals balance as well, if that makes sense - doing nothing is not necessarily a neutral impact.

My son is on a ton of stuff (autistic with some serious genetics we're working on), but minerals are my first line of defense, and the last thing I would give up if someone raided my supps drawer. And they'd take zinc & mag away over my cold, dead, body.