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Indianapolis Schools kick out 1,622 kids without vaccines

post #1 of 36
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Indiana is "requiring" 2 new vaccines for students in grades 6-12, starting this week. Schools sent home as many as 1,622 students this week who did not show their proof of being vaccinated. What schools are failing to do [not surprisingly] is tell students and parents the truth, that exemptions exist as the law is written, and their student may attend without any shots whatsoever.

Why would the schools lie about the actual law? What do they have to gain? Furthermore, why does every newspaper article I have read about it (at least 6) NOT mention the exemptions either? Should the truth be hidden from parents? Read the law for yourself - the shots are NOT MANDATORY.

Does it disturb you that there is a concerted effort to force you to be vaccinated coming from Government, Media, Schools, & Big Pharma? Do you exercise your rights or do you get pushed around like an ignorant sheep?



School Vaccinations: Hundreds of students without shots sent home

1,622 IPS students sent home for lack of proof of shots





The laws are very clear in Indiana. Medical or religious exemptions are allowed.

STATE LAW: Read Indiana Code 20-34-3-2 Parents may want to include a copy of this statute with their letters to ensure that school districts are made well aware of this statute.

Indiana State Vaccine Requirements - National Vaccine Information Center

A school child may not be required to undergo any immunization when the child's parent objects on religious grounds. A religious objection must be:
(1) Made in writing;
(2) Signed by the child's parent; and
(3) Delivered to the child's teacher or to the individual who might order an immunization.

IN STATE FAQ: 23. What must a religious objection contain?
A religious objection must be in writing and state that the objection to immunization is based on religious grounds; signed by the child’s parent; and delivered to the school. There is no requirement of proof. The written objection must be resubmitted to the school each year.
post #2 of 36
I seriously think schol admission and vaccine records need to be de-coupled. Schools have no business dipping into medical records. Vaccination should be a private medical decision between parents, children, and their doctors.
post #3 of 36
Maryland did the same thing a few years ago (2007)-they dragged the parents into court and gave the kids shots right in front of the judge-

www.csmonitor.com/2007/1119/p02s04-ussc.html
google maryland round-up
post #4 of 36
"Does it disturb you that there is a concerted effort to force you to be vaccinated coming from Government, Media, Schools, & Big Pharma?"

Ha, some people might say this sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory. I say it sounds like an obvious truth!! Why do Americans think they are immune to the same corruption that plagues other countries? I would love to talk about the ties between the gov't, media, schools, big pharma, etc. but I can't talk about it here because it always ends up pointing to eugenics.
post #5 of 36
My son got a letter sent home here in CO. He was going to be kicked out on Monday. I went to the office of the preschool director that works next door to me got the card and signed the back for the personal exemption. He has some vaxes but I was never so happy as to hand over that card because now we can't be harrassed ever again.
post #6 of 36
Just for clarification, the law states you have to get the shots. Just because exemptions are allowed does not mean the shots aren't mandatory.

Self defense is a legal exemption to homicide. That does not mean murder is legal.
post #7 of 36
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Originally Posted by Xerxella View Post
Just for clarification, the law states you have to get the shots. Just because exemptions are allowed does not mean the shots aren't mandatory.

Self defense is a legal exemption to homicide. That does not mean murder is legal.
Are you seriously comparing murder to not vaccinating?!
post #8 of 36
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Originally Posted by thtr4me View Post
I seriously think schol admission and vaccine records need to be de-coupled. Schools have no business dipping into medical records. Vaccination should be a private medical decision between parents, children, and their doctors.
ITA


I'm not surprised in the least that the news stories don't mention exemptions. Media outlets act as propaganda machines for government on a regular basis, this just being one example.
post #9 of 36
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Originally Posted by Xerxella View Post
Just for clarification, the law states you have to get the shots. Just because exemptions are allowed does not mean the shots aren't mandatory.

Self defense is a legal exemption to homicide. That does not mean murder is legal.
I just have to come back to this again, because I am just by your logic.

Murder is illegal. Not vaccinating is NOT illegal. (And self-defense is just that- a defense. It's not an "exemption" to murder.)
post #10 of 36
I was using extrapolation to talk about the law.

By law (in many states) the child must be vacinated to go to school. Then, yes, sending your child to school without their vaccines is illegal. However, there are exemptions.

FWIW, I'm not vaccinating. I disagree with the law, but it's still the law.

And to tell people that vaccines aren't mandatory to go to school is untrue and in fact does them an extreme disservice, IMO.
post #11 of 36
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Originally Posted by Xerxella View Post
And to tell people that vaccines aren't mandatory to go to school is untrue and in fact does them an extreme disservice, IMO.
Why? A lot of parents aren't aware that *most* states allow exemptions. They don't know they have options.

When you say something is mandatory, except when you don't want to do it, it's not really all that mandatory, is it? (We have an personal exemption in my state, which means if you don't feel like doing it, you don't have to pretty much. I know all states don't have that exemption, but that's one example.)

Also, the law in my particular is is that in order to attend school, you must EITHER be vaccinated OR provide an exemption form. (RCW 28A.210.080 is for one particular vaccine if you would like to look it up.) There is no law stating that everyone must be vaccinated. This also applies ONLY to attending school, not the population in general.
post #12 of 36
My concern would be that people would go to the schools and say my child's not vaccinated and the law says they're not mandatory and you can't make me, because I think vaccines are dangerous.

Whereas, if they say that in some states, they then can't go on to get a religious exemption. (Most states, as I'm sure you know, do not have a philosophical exemption.) The school could easily say, you said you think vaccines are dangerous, not that you are religiously opposed to them.

Some states even have a sincerity test (NY?) where you have to go answer questions about your religious beliefs.

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...sincerity+test

Technicality? Yes. But, the law is full of technicalities and if you don't say things exactly right you could find your options suddenly limited (home school or vaccinate).
post #13 of 36
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Originally Posted by thtr4me View Post
I seriously think schol admission and vaccine records need to be de-coupled. Schools have no business dipping into medical records. Vaccination should be a private medical decision between parents, children, and their doctors.
But it effects the health all of the other children in the school, and that's not a private issue.
post #14 of 36
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But it effects the health all of the other children in the school, and that's not a private issue.
How does it effect the health of other children? If they are all vaccinated, then they should have nothing to worry about, right? (Oh wait... that means that vaccines would actually have to be effective.)
post #15 of 36
Actually, I live in Indianapolis. I don't have a child in IPS, but I do have a student in a public school in the area. And, I can promise that there were tv news stories that mentioned the exemptions. I do not have links to you tube videos or anything to prove them, but I clearly remember religious exemptions being mentioned. In addition, the letter that was sent home with my daughter regarding the issue (which, again, is a different district than the one mentioned in the OP) also mentions the exemptions.
post #16 of 36
Delicateflower, suggest you talk to an oncologist; they will tell you that the greatest danger to an immunocompromised person is from a recently vaccinated child/person, not an unvaxed one.

Happysmileylady, a short cursory review of the law on the internet or at the library will reveal the exemptions also. Few people bother to do that, however.
post #17 of 36
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Originally Posted by changingseasons View Post
How does it effect the health of other children? If they are all vaccinated, then they should have nothing to worry about, right? (Oh wait... that means that vaccines would actually have to be effective.)
This is a tired old strawman. I have never in my life met someone who claims that vaccinations are 100% effective. Ever. Furthermore, there are people who are immuno-compromised who can not be vaccinated and relay on herd immunity to reduce their risk of contracting VPDs (and, of course, the few that don't receive immunity through the vaccination would also be relaying on herd immunity).
post #18 of 36
The herd theory is based on natural immunity, not the injected stuff. Do some research.

Now that is a tired, strawman argument!
post #19 of 36
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Originally Posted by caned & able View Post
Delicateflower, suggest you talk to an oncologist; they will tell you that the greatest danger to an immunocompromised person is from a recently vaccinated child/person, not an unvaxed one.
No. The recommendation, generally speaking, would be that those living in the household not receive smallpox vaccination or OPV, because those carry a risk of transmission to the immuno-compromised person. Transmission risk from most other vaccinations is so small that it is NOT recommended that household members with an immuno-compromised family member skip those vaccinations.
post #20 of 36
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Originally Posted by caned & able View Post
The herd theory is based on natural immunity, not the injected stuff. Do some research.

Now that is a tired, strawman argument!
No, it's not. Unless you're only pulling your "research" from anti-vaccination sources. Try some actual science, and skip Mercola.
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