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post #21 of 56
I have to wonder why on earth he wouldn't return O to you? He hasn't been interested in parenting for 5 YEARS - O doesn't even consider him "dad".

You probably can't answer that, and I COMPLETELY agree that listening to Mama gut is SO important, ALWAYS, but I just wonder why on earth he would keep him? I mean, he doesn't even consider him his child, yk?

ETA - keep all those text threats!!!! (I tell the queen of documenting this.....)
post #22 of 56
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He has no interest in owen, but he has lots of interest in hurting me. He knows one way to do that is through owen. I have to wonder if someone else told him about the loophole (no signed paper means it would be hard for me to prove he was supposed to return owen) and put the idea in his head that he could/should keep owen as "proof" to the judge that he wants extended time with ds. Not good reasoning at all, but has he ever had good reasoning??
post #23 of 56
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He has no interest in owen, but he has lots of interest in hurting me. He knows one way to do that is through owen. I have to wonder if someone else told him about the loophole (no signed paper means it would be hard for me to prove he was supposed to return owen) and put the idea in his head that he could/should keep owen as "proof" to the judge that he wants extended time with ds. Not good reasoning at all, but has he ever had good reasoning??
Uh.....really??? Does he ACTUALLY think that would fly? It wouldn't. It would, however, make it VERY clear to ANY judge that he has to have supervised visitation b/c otherwise he won't even return him! (since he hasn't seen him except for very rarely in 4-5 years there is NO QUESTION that O belongs with YOU! It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out )

Ugh. I know you already know all of this. I know that I'm preaching to the choir. Ugh. Your ex makes me mad and I wouldn't know him if he ran into me. Ugh.
post #24 of 56
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Ugh. Your ex makes me mad and I wouldn't know him if he ran into me. Ugh.
This! I don't think I'll ever be able to set foot in the state of Michigan without giving every man the evil eye just in case it is "him". Thank goodness, I don't have any reason to travel that way any time soon.

How is O holding up? I hope he is having a grand time with his grandfather and is blissfully unaware of the drama. Stay strong- you're doing great!
post #25 of 56
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I hope he is having a grand time with his grandfather and is blissfully unaware of the drama.
!!! Grandpa's are SO awesome!
post #26 of 56
It must be frustrating as all heck to be M and realize he has zero control over you and this situation now!!! LMAO

I've always said that if you gave him enough rope, he'd hang himself.

Lots of love to you and O and J too!!!
post #27 of 56
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Never did hear from ex at all today. We did spend 3 1/2 hours with his family (sister, her kids and his mom).

I thought ds was doing okay and completely oblivious to what was happening. Until ex's sister started talking about ex and telling ds "if you go to m's house tomorrow then i'll bring my kids to play with you there". Wtf? Shes going to get an email telling her to knock out off and stop talking about ex or I will no longer be willing to allow her to see ds. That just confused the crap out of ds
post #28 of 56
Poor kid Hang in there!!
post #29 of 56
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Okay, I'm actually posting from a computer instead of my phone so I can include more details! So Friday morning comes and ex calls about an hour before his "visit" was supposed to start. He started demanding his alone time, threatening to take me back to court (to which I chuckled and told him "go ahead" ). I kept my cool and told him he could see Owen supervised on Friday and then if ds did okay we would talk about some unsupervised on Saturday. He flipped out, said "I'm contacting my lawyer and I suggest you do the same and I'll call you back later". By the time his "visit" was supposed to start I hadn't heard from him. So we decided to take ds to the McDonalds close to ex's town (there's a playland in that one) and sent ex a message telling him ds would be there and he was welcome to come spend some time with him. No response.

I didn't hear from him again until Friday night, when I got another threatening text, demanding alone time with ds on Saturday. I sent him a text explaining that he could do his supervised time on Saturday and if ds did okay then we could discuss some unsupervised time on Sunday (though at this point my gut was telling me to not even offer him that). I told him to contact me with where he wanted to meet on Saturday. He texted that he was going to call me at 8am.

Saturday morning came and I never heard from ex. Ex's sister ended up contacting me and asking to see ds. I agreed to meet her and her kids at McDonalds (again ) so ds and her kids could play. We met them at 11am (which was during what was supposed to be ex's visit). I texted ex letting him know that ds was there and he could come see ds. Never heard from him. The bogus part of that is ex's sister told me that ex had to work at 1:00. We were at McDonalds until about 12:30. Ex works just 2 minutes away from that McDonalds so he easily could have gone to see ds at McDonalds, even for just a few minutes, before he went to work. Anyway, ex's sister said that ex's mom was asking for me to bring ds to her house so she could give ds his b-day gift. I agreed and we went over there after McDonalds. DS played in her front yard and opened his gifts for another 2 hours. So we spent 3 1/2 hours with ex's family today.

Didn't hear from ex until just a few minutes ago when I received another text (at 11pm!). Again, demanding alone time with ds tomorrow morning, threatening with court, saying I was in "violation of our agreement". What he doesn't understand is THERE IS NO AGREEMENT. There is NOTHING in writing. NOTHING. He has NOTHING to show a Judge and say "she agreed to this but wouldn't follow it". He refused for 3 months to talk to my lawyer and get papers signed, so there isn't any agreement between us at all! I'm in violation of NOTHING! I sent him a very non-emotional text (I'm not going to get baited with his crap and blow up on him) that said ds will be available in a public area from 8-11am, with me there. I told him to let me know where he wanted to meet ASAP. Bet I don't hear from him

I seriously have no idea what he's going to do. Does he really plan on standing up in front of a Judge and saying "well, she wouldn't let me see him alone so I thought it would be better to not see him at all than to see him supervised". Seriously? WTF? What is he going to tell a Judge when the Judge finds out that out of the last 21 days ds has been available to see him (from October 2009 until today- tomorrow will be day 22) he's only chosen to see ds for *2* of those days. 2. That's it. 6 hours total. In 1 year. How is he going to explain that he had a week off work in September, knew he hadn't seen ds since March and yet decided to sit on his butt all week playing video games instead of taking a couple days to visit ds?
post #30 of 56
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Quick update... it's after 9, ex's visit time started at 8. Never heard a word from him. He seriously went the whole weekend without seeing ds. I dont even know what to say. I'll talk to my lawyer tomorrow but we will end up in court next month. Only question is who initiates it? I'm thinking i'll beat him to the punch and file papers with the court first. Since ds will be in school next month he likely won't come with me when I go up there to court so the next chance ex has at seeing ds will be in december- 9 months since the last time he saw ds. Wtf is he thinking????
post #31 of 56
I have no clue.... but that guy is def a piece of work.... and not a masterpiece either
post #32 of 56
now i will wait for tuesday. that's when he calls right. tuesdays and thursdays.

and i would stay real close to the phone... IF he calls. and totally eavesdrop. i am sure he is going to say something mean about not seeing O and choice words about it being your fault.
post #33 of 56
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now i will wait for tuesday. that's when he calls right. tuesdays and thursdays.
He calls sundays and thursdays. So he should be calling in about an hour. We'll see if he does.
post #34 of 56
I'd ask your lawyer of the possible ramifications of asking to terminate parental rights. I mean, when is it considered abandonment? I know in the classical terms, since he's done *something* it's not abandonment, but really. This has been going on for years and it's not right to drag Owen through this. You take the high road every single time because you're doing what's best for Owen - ex is certainly only what is best for him(?).
post #35 of 56
I'm just kind of curious, but why do you think Owen's father is so hellbent on hurting you? I have never understood men who hold these grudges even after "moving on" and finding other partners.
post #36 of 56
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I'd ask your lawyer of the possible ramifications of asking to terminate parental rights. I mean, when is it considered abandonment? I know in the classical terms, since he's done *something* it's not abandonment, but really. This has been going on for years and it's not right to drag Owen through this. You take the high road every single time because you're doing what's best for Owen - ex is certainly only what is best for him(?).
I wonder about the same thing- or maybe- when he realizes he can't control you through Owen, he would voluntarily surrender his rights so your partner can adopt him?
post #37 of 56
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I'd ask your lawyer of the possible ramifications of asking to terminate parental rights. I mean, when is it considered abandonment? I know in the classical terms, since he's done *something* it's not abandonment, but really. This has been going on for years and it's not right to drag Owen through this. You take the high road every single time because you're doing what's best for Owen - ex is certainly only what is best for him(?).
It's something I will ask her about!

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I'm just kind of curious, but why do you think Owen's father is so hellbent on hurting you? I have never understood men who hold these grudges even after "moving on" and finding other partners.
I won't go into the whole story but I will say it was an abusive relationship and it didn't stop when I left him. I let it continue for years, telling myself that if it kept him in ds's life than I could deal with the abuse (believed at the time that a crappy dad is better than no dad). When he disappeared for a year when ds was 2-3 and again for another year when he was 3-4 I realized that I didn't have to let the abuse continue. So I put my foot down and refused to allow the abuse to continue. Since then he's been so angry with me, pissed off that I won't bow down and kiss his butt, and allow him to do whatever he wants. He's told me many times that I "ruined his life" by not having an abortion
post #38 of 56
WOW. He said that to you???? How did you ruin HIS life? He doesn't even SEE the kid! Any parent who actually spent time with their own child, wouldn't know that O didn't ruin ANYBODY's life. Wow. I don't know what to say.

Again, I'm SO glad O has a dad in your dp. Your DP and O's Grandpa are going to make GREAT role models for him as he grows up - just try to focus on the positives.
post #39 of 56
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Sadly, yes. Those words actually came out of his mouth I heard it a lot when I was pregnant with ds, about how I was ruining ex's life because I refused to have an abortion (and we were engaged at the time! And then he was shocked when I refused to marry him ). He continued on with that comment every so often for the first couple years of ds's life, but I haven't heard it lately (so he either just doesn't say it to me or he doesn't believe it anymore- that's anyone's guess).
post #40 of 56
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And yes, we are very lucky to have dp and my dad in ds's life

Oh, and during ex's ranting through the text messages his only argument for why he should be allowed to spend time alone with ds was "say my name to Owen- he knows my name". Ummmm.... so because he knows your name that makes you a stellar candidate for spending alone time with my child?!?

He never once said "I've been consistent with my phone calls to ds and I think he's ready to spend alone time with me" or "I think ds is comfortable with me after these phone calls and I think he'll adjust fine to being alone with me" or anything like that. Just "he knows my name". That's his reasoning for why he deserved unsupervised time.

So if ds knows the UPS delivery drivers name I should allow him to spend unsupervised time with him?!?
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