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[chlobo]

DS is my second kid. He seems to carry everything inward while DD had everything outward. His skin is good, no rashes, etc. But he had mucousy poop as a baby until he started eating solids. He also had occasional blood.

Now my primary concerns with him are his enlarged adenoids, which never seem to go down in the winter. His congestion, which seems near permanent. His picky eating. His less than stellar sleep. And his lack of growth - hair, nails, teeth, stature (5%).

Everything grows but very slowly. His nails are also a little weak & peeling.

However, he is also the sweetest guy. He loves to laugh & smile & is a huge jokester. When I pick him up at school he runs to my arms & looks so happy to see me. He's just a happy, sweet guy.

Anyhow, here are his Yasko methylation results & some info from chat:

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Ouch. Much tougher genetics than your DD, sorry .

Short version (I'll be back with more later - maybe stick these in your DD's thread, so the answers don't end up in chat)?

Needs craploads of B12. Candidate for shots. However, no tolerance for methyl groups, so he needs hydroxy & eventually adenosyl forms. Means he won't tolerate you taking methyl groups either, and you need some of them. Yeah, that weaning thing, sigh.

Unlike your DD, who probably has decently functional methylation, your DS probably has pretty glunked up methylation, meaning his immune system won't be kicking anything off, shutting down viruses, etc. B12 is the key to addressing that. He needs folates too.

Needs lots of Vit D and the digestive supports, just like your DD. Has all the mood swinging genetics and some tendency towards ADD that you may see as you ramp up B12. Will likely need a moderate protein diet or less (your DD will be fine with higher protein).

And the NOS++ totally sucks, that means high ammonia issues for sure, particularly as you start improving his digestion. High ammonia can cause many of the same symptoms as high glutamates (screaming, mood swings, hyperness, giggles, sleep disruption, tummy aches).

However, LOTS of good clues here on why he has the issues he does. Biggest priority for him will be tons of B12 (think 10+ drops a day), and it's not going to be pretty to get the first half of that in. However, the improvements after you do should be impressive.

Originally Posted by chlobo
"wait, are you saying DS has tougher genetics than DD?

That totally does not make sense. DD is the one with the wild mood swings and unable to control herself.

DS is the sweetest little thing. I don't get it."


Yeah. That's what I said when I got my DS' genetics . The deal is that when methylation is suppressed, everything is kind of tamped down - but they end up sick, high viral load, metals toxic.

Know that when you start working on your DS' methylation (which is likely way more plugged up than your DD's), you will probably discover some of his mood swings . But his genetics are mostly tougher in the area of methylation, not moods. So tougher in the sense of more bigtime roadblocks to his body functioning relatively normally.

Not all personality traits are dictated by genetics - my sweet mellow kid has the much tougher genetics than my sensitive, dramatic, emotional kid. Your two kids have exactly the same genetics for neurotransmitters (likely so do mine). Doesn't make for the same kids. What it does seem to do is predict how they will react under stress (like getting methylation moving or fighting off viruses) - that's when I see the mood swings. But even then, DS runs the halls or pounds on the walls or yells really loud - much less extreme than many kids who share his genetics.

[chlobo]

So I"m going to summarize what I think you are saying so far:

Lots of Vit D
Vit b12 hydroxy & eventually adenosyl forms
Folates
Digestive supports (pancreatic enzymes stuff?)

Now I just need him to swallow pills. That is going to be the hard part.

Yeah. That's what I said when I got my DS' genetics . The deal is that when methylation is suppressed, everything is kind of tamped down - but they end up sick, high viral load, metals toxic

Ok, so when we went to the chiro he did muscle testing and according to his muscle testing DS has some unknown virus we can't seem to get rid of. And he felt metals were somewhat of an issue (although he doesn't deal with them).

This was in contrast to DD (who also has the virus issue) but does not have the metal issue according to him. I wonder if that's a methylation thing? Odd though b/c the ND thought DD is clearly a "metals kid". Who to believe?

[mamafish9]

Yes, both virus and metals are signs of sluggish methylation. There are other ways you could end up metals toxic too, but methylation will be the root cause for your DS. Could be for your DD as well if she has really low methyl groups.

The good news is, once you up B12 for your DS, because he is COMT++, he should detox pretty quickly. (It won't be fun, but COMT++ tend to "repair" faster).

I'd lay bets his adenoids are viral, perhaps strep. The deal is that to turn off virus in the body, first it has to be activated (most sleeping viruses can't be turned off). So, when you took B12, he got enough B12 from that to turn on his viruses - but probably not enough for his body to fight back and shut it totally down. Strep is ugly to get rid of. Every time we upped B12, DS got fevers - so definitely a response to viral activation, and I don't even know what viruses he had.

So, first priority for your DS is to up his B12 - a LOT. Go as fast as you can handle. Add folates so that he doesn't get stuck at that part of methylation (those are pretty tasteless, so easy to mix in food).

I'd add vit D, that should be pretty easy.

Digestive supports is harder if he doesn't swallow caps. I'd worry about that in phase 2, honestly. Although it might make weaning easier. iherb carries a papain chewable, you might try that for him. Also try feeding him every 2-3 hours (food, not bm ).

Can you get any kind of a multi into him? Perque chewables maybe? Some basic vit/mineral support while he fights the viral load would help a lot as well. Yasko recommends xylitol nasal spray for strep in nasal passages as well.

[chlobo]

Originally Posted by mamafish9

Yes, both virus and metals are signs of sluggish methylation. There are other ways you could end up metals toxic too, but methylation will be the root cause for your DS. Could be for your DD as well if she has really low methyl groups.

The good news is, once you up B12 for your DS, because he is COMT++, he should detox pretty quickly. (It won't be fun, but COMT++ tend to "repair" faster).

I'd lay bets his adenoids are viral, perhaps strep. The deal is that to turn off virus in the body, first it has to be activated (most sleeping viruses can't be turned off). So, when you took B12, he got enough B12 from that to turn on his viruses - but probably not enough for his body to fight back and shut it totally down. Strep is ugly to get rid of. Every time we upped B12, DS got fevers - so definitely a response to viral activation, and I don't even know what viruses he had.

Is strep a virus or a bacteria? I have a lab order sitting on my counter and it includes a strep test via blood. Or are there different types of strep?

On the B12, would my taking the methyl screw him up in some way?


So, first priority for your DS is to up his B12 - a LOT. Go as fast as you can handle. Add folates so that he doesn't get stuck at that part of methylation (those are pretty tasteless, so easy to mix in food).

I'd add vit D, that should be pretty easy.

Digestive supports is harder if he doesn't swallow caps. I'd worry about that in phase 2, honestly. Although it might make weaning easier. iherb carries a papain chewable, you might try that for him. Also try feeding him every 2-3 hours (food, not bm ).

Can you get any kind of a multi into him? Perque chewables maybe? Some basic vit/mineral support while he fights the viral load would help a lot as well. Yasko recommends xylitol nasal spray for strep in nasal passages as well.

Should he get the same folates I'm taking? The mthr one and the other one?

Vit D is liquid
He's only nursing in the AM. Will work on grazing
He's taking Kid-e-mins liquid vitamin/mineral
I have a xylitol nose spray but he hates it. Really is resisting it. Not sure how to deal with that

Think starting with a drop of the Andenysol & a drop of the hydroy is too much?

[mamafish9]

Strep is bacterial, but seems to behave like a virus, per Dr. Amy. Viral & bacterial loads both build up with strong B12 mutations. I don't know the best way to test for it, sorry.

You taking methyl won't screw him up. I don't know if many of the methyls pass to him, or only the B12, probably depends how much methyl your body grabs first. It will just make him wild if he gets to many methyls. If he's only nursing in the AM (yay!), then you'd have used up most of the methyls from the day before, likely.

Yes, same folates as you, same amounts.

Yeah, work on grazing, it really made a difference for DS.

Don't do anything he hates at this point - find the stuff he doesn't hate and start there.

Sounds like you have good basics in place - how much D is he getting now?

I'd get 4-5 hydroxy drops in place before you add the adenosyl. (The adenosyl is 2000mcg/drop, instead of 1000mcg, so doubly strong). Or set up a spray bottle with 4 drops hydroxy: 1 drop adenosyl ratio for him, and just slowly work up the number of sprays.

[chlobo]

Originally Posted by mamafish9

Strep is bacterial, but seems to behave like a virus, per Dr. Amy. Viral & bacterial loads both build up with strong B12 mutations. I don't know the best way to test for it, sorry.

You taking methyl won't screw him up. I don't know if many of the methyls pass to him, or only the B12, probably depends how much methyl your body grabs first. It will just make him wild if he gets to many methyls. If he's only nursing in the AM (yay!), then you'd have used up most of the methyls from the day before, likely.

Yes, same folates as you, same amounts.

Yeah, work on grazing, it really made a difference for DS.

Don't do anything he hates at this point - find the stuff he doesn't hate and start there.

Sounds like you have good basics in place - how much D is he getting now?

I'd get 4-5 hydroxy drops in place before you add the adenosyl. (The adenosyl is 2000mcg/drop, instead of 1000mcg, so doubly strong). Or set up a spray bottle with 4 drops hydroxy: 1 drop adenosyl ratio for him, and just slowly work up the number of sprays.

He hated the spray bottle. Won't touch it now. Not sure why. Maybe if I get a smaller, cuter one he might like it.

[mamafish9]

Originally Posted by chlobo

He hated the spray bottle. Won't touch it now. Not sure why. Maybe if I get a smaller, cuter one he might like it.

Huh, that stinks. You can still do the mix and use a dropper, that works too, just not as convenient.

[rhesp1212]

Wow, where did you get a test like that done for your kids?? I would love to have something like that done on my DS as we cannot figure out what the heck is going on with him!!

Valerie

[chlobo]

Originally Posted by rhesp1212

Wow, where did you get a test like that done for your kids?? I would love to have something like that done on my DS as we cannot figure out what the heck is going on with him!!

Valerie

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